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LIPOSTABIL: Is there any concern to take this product?
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My question is, where does the fat go? I mean, law of conservation of mass/energy and all applied, the fat can't just disappear. With traditional lipo, obviously the fat gets sucked out, so it still exists. In this case, is it breaking down and being metabolized? Is it breaking down and being excreted as waste? Something has to happen to it. I don't see how this would be much help to a sedentary person if this is supposed to be a metabolic pathway. If its waste than I could see some wicked gastro problems.
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onbenzman
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Seems weird that only fat disolves and is excreated and nothing else is affected I mean fat is a cell and how this drug is targeted to only that is interesting Shit i just spend 9k on lipo on handles stomach chin nose job and i could of just taken a friggin pill,
Onebenzman
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Stephen said:
Here's the general mechanism, the fat is "dissolved" in situ, like a solvent action, and you excrete the transformed product, the fat is completely liquidised, if you use alot at once, expect an upset stomach about a week after use as the transformed product leaves your system. If you stick to 0.5ml injections which is the recommended, fat loss is even leaving no floppy skin, once again the same as having lipo. At 0.75mls per shot or above, I found that after the swelling had gone down there were residual small hard lumps left, presumably from the lipostabil that hasn't been used and it stays in situ. The more over 0.5mls per shot you use the longer the lumps remain, at 1ml per shot the lumps took about 2 months to completely go. It really is not worth using more than 0.5ml per injection, you will then see reasonably rapid results without any sides but irritation and swelling. If you stick with the 0.5ml shots 2cms apart the results are unbelievable and very cheap. On a personal note as I have access to sit-in volumetric fat measurement equipment, I checked my total b/f before and after treatment, the swelling goes as quickly as it appears, i.e. you can go to bed 7 days after treatment still swollen, and wake up in the morning with the swelling gone. That morning having "disposed" of the fat I get my b/f checked, it has gone down. I carried out this experiment just to make sure the fat hadn't just relocated to a less obvious place............................100% according to the equipment, it has not. I understand lipostabil is not allowed to be used in south America any more, due to the fact that several clinics were using 2ml plus shots, in one area instead of multiple small shots, leaving many patients with "lumps" as I described but for up to 6 months. As with everything in life, follow the instructions, or expect problems, any reputeable supplier will enclose instructions and guidelines with their product. The use of tiratricol at the same time increases the effectiveness of lipostabil by 50%, this again is cheap, and stays in situ with the lipostabil. The only advantage I can see of liposuction against lipostabil is that the swelling etc. is limited to a few weeks period (although you may have work down time and have to wear a lycra suit for several days), lipostabil causes swelling every time its used, but it wont interfere with work etc. unless you are a model, you may have to use it up to 10 times on stomach areas etc. if you have large volumes of fat to remove. All in all other than the bit of swelling the stuff is unmatched by anything else. For those doubters out there, I had to have a neck operation some 18 months ago to mend a deffective muscle, we dont know why, but it left me with a couple of pockets of fat, after 2 attempts to remove it with liposuction, I was told it was something I would have to live with............................guess what 3 applications of lipostabil later and the area is better than it was pre-operation, if I had known about this earlier I would have saved myself several thousands of pounds.
bigmik44
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Am I reading this correctly? 1/2 mil shots? I've done 2/10th mil shots (200mcgs or 20 ius) and it knocked me on my ass for about 5 days. Now I only do 5iu or 10iu and the swelling and bruising is much more comfortable. Couldn't imagine doing a .5ml shot.
bigmik44 said:
The mix that is used in the clinics is 5ml lipostabil, 2ml procaine and 2ml tiratricol, that makes 9mls and that will do 18 x 1/2ml shots (50 mark on the slin syringes that come with it), they use 1/2ml under each eye to get rid of bags under the eyes, and other than the swelling and sometimes a slight rash, no one has had a worse reaction than that, and thats on several hundred patients. I'm sensitive to most things, I'm even allergic to meat protein, but have had no adverse reactions (bar swelling) when using a total of 9 to 10mls per week (18 to 20 seperate injections) I have checked back with the clinic where I sometimes work, and they have never heard of problems like you are describing. The lab strength I've been using is 300mgs/5mls, i.e 60mgs per ml. It does come in higher strengths, but thats not meant for human use..................what concentration have you been using, and was it human grade, its used on horses at twice the concentration humans use, and that stuff isn't very sterile, but it is cheaper.
scottninpo
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how often should you inject for optimal results? and is the swelling uncomfortable, if so, to what degree?
bigmik44
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GRANVILLE said:
I've done 4 treatments since March 6th. The 1st treatment was with some shit from one research co. that closed down. This was a white milky liquid. They said it was 60 mgs/ml. I did 2/10ths ml on about 24 shots. The 1st 5 days I felt like shit and it really looked like I had a spare tire.
Then I ordered 100mls w/ 14 mls of Tiratricol in it. I had it custom made by someone very reputable. 60mg/ml. This blend is much better. Still kinda scared to do 2/10ths ml. I can see why zipmed says .5ml per shot. Its because of the added Tiratricol and Procaine (aka: Gerovitol)
scottninpo said:
The swelling is uncomfortable if you do anything on your waist, as it makes your trousers tight, other than that the worst I've known about is some serious itching where you've injected like an allergy for abouta day. You can inject every 7 days, but its probably best to leave it to every 9 or 10 days, as then you get to see the actual results before you have another dose. Thats if you keep each injection down to .5ml, if you inject more then the swelling lasts longer pro rata. Check out www.zipmed.net theres all the basic information there. Botom line the most unpleasant part is the multiple jabs needed, and they aren't painful as you use a slin syringe.
joey loops
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Question for the beef
a 10ml bottle will last how long? How many shots during the 1st of the 14 day cycle
and how much in each shot?
thanks
a 10ml bottle will last how long? How many shots during the 1st of the 14 day cycle
and how much in each shot?
thanks
bigmik44 said:
The procaine is not acid as in Gerivitol, its the same stuff the dentist uses to inject before drilling, I've used lipostabil in the past without any additives, when I sorted my neck out, I injected 0.5ml at a time, the swelling was unbelieveable, but the results were fantastic. Why not try one injection at the recommended dose, being honest after injecting my neck twice and seeing how much swelling there was, on the third occasion I halved the dose, but guess what the swelling was just as bad for me, its obviously some sort of allergic reaction. Did/do you get acceptable results from only using the lower dose you are on, I didn't so to achieve the same result would have meant double the amount of injections, unless you managed to get the stuff into your bloodstream it should stay site specific and cause no other problems. As I said I'm one of many who have doubled the dose, the only down side being swelling for twice as long, and nodules in the area for a few weeks after the swelling had gone down, the non-zipmed stuff I used came from Italy, the instructions were to use .5ml per jab, I only changed to zipmed because of the difference in cost, I would be interested to hear if you are pleased with the results from your second batch
bigmik44
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Actually I'm not that pleased. Sat. was 2 weeks after my last treatment. Ive done 4 treatments and after the 3rd I started to see results. Lost about 1.5" so far after all the swelling goes down. So on Sat I did 50, yes 50, 5iu shots. This was my 4th treatment. Believe it or not I did not get the swelling or bruising like in the past. I got some but not much. I could probably go again in 7-10 days and I'll up the dose to 20 iu. My body is adapting better now. Like you said previously, if you're not a model, it'll take 10 treatments.
interesting stuff. Seems to me like 1.5" is a pretty significant loss. You'd have to drop maybe 12-15 pounds of body fat (on a diet) to get that kind of change.
I'd be pretty pissed off if I spent $5000 at a clinic for that, but if I spent $200 at Zipmed, that'd be different. Well, unless I was in total misery for 6 weeks with painful bumps and nodules all over my body.
I'd be pretty pissed off if I spent $5000 at a clinic for that, but if I spent $200 at Zipmed, that'd be different. Well, unless I was in total misery for 6 weeks with painful bumps and nodules all over my body.
bigmik44
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cvguy said:
The only reason I'm not pleased is because I forgot to say I'm not pleased YET.
1.5 is great, but it's a real ego deflater to walk around kinda swollen around the waist much of the time! I started at 9%bf and watched my waist get bigger from the swelling. After my last 2 week period I said "wo, it's starting to work".
I think the real results come a month or 2 after ALL the swelling goes down.
jeeps said:
My lower abs take 10 x .5ml shots each 4cm apart, I'm not high body fat, and I could see the outline of my abs after the first session, even more after the second session, I'm working in Asia at the moment and spend some time in the pool, so I stopped doing the treatment, in my case I reckon 4 treatments in total will bring the results I want
bigmik44 said:
I think I would be pleased with those sort of results after the relatively small amount you've used, I would discount your first attempts with the "cloudy" stuff, as it tends to go cloudy if its been kept too long, and has gone off, I agree entirely it takes a bit of time to see the actual results, 1.5" is great for the relatively small amount of discomfort, or I would think so anyway
bigmik44
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After doin 50 shots @ 5iu, 2.5 mils total, last Sat, the swelling is allmost all the way down and things are looking better. I'll be ready to go prolly Sun or Mon. again.
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