Long time builder needing advice

[Buckscout]

Man I have been a member of all the underground sites back at the turn of the century to around 2005 when I got away from it all and went natural.
I had 1 source who I used back then and it appeared good. Now I get back in the game and I am more lost than ever.

Couple questions.... I understand that underground labs are a dime aa dozen and you might get some great stuff and you might get bunk..... Even if you have a trusted source, his batch to batch results are never going to be the same and are only as good as his raw supplier is..

My big question is this... Is there any straight pharmacy grade stuff out there over seas thst are trustworthy snd good..?? I could care less about price, I care more about getting what your paying for.
In 2002 when I was in deep into the underground world, we used BB.com to make contacts and communicate with like others..... There were a few pharmacy grade sources pimping all day on BB.com and they were crazy priced. But they were legit.... Lab max was not around but we always did bloods and bloods always came back great regardless.... They were a few start up labs who tested for the presence of a certain hormone and they would all hit 100% success rate... It was impossible to tell strength but our bloods usually told the story

The prices were about triple of that of an ugl but we could count on them.......... In all my reading and searching I cannot find if those still exist. If they do, is it something where you have to just get lucky and stumble upon them?? Or do they openly advertise for anyone to buy??

Seems like for every ugl I find that I want to try, I end up reading they are crap and scammed someone. . This game sure has changed a ton since 2001-2005 and I don't even know which way to begin.

Someone give me the cliff notes version of this game we all play.

 

[BigPharma]

We all read,research and check lab results and come to our on conclusions...The more you study-the more you know....Aint no freebies up in here homie-Sit back, this might take a while. Ps. Careful with the PM's(most gravy,Aint Juice...lol)

 

[Skull]

Ya bro you probably wont find to many that our going to hook you up with a source.

Now if you get pms saying they are a source an wanna hook you up, don't do it. Unless you take the time to study who they are which is most likely a scammer.

Most don't want to have anything to do with that seeing as how most if not all labs are inconsistent. You never know what you are going to get from batch to batch.

Best way to go about it is get studying like we all have an come to your own conclusion. Once you have found a decent one that you like then run their gear, get bloods done an adjust your dosages accordingly.

I for one wouldn't feel comfortable at all to give you a source because I can never know what the next batch might bring. It could be straight up shit an leave me looking like a dumb fuckin ass pos lol

Good Luck Bro

 

[Buckscout]

Ok maybe I should have wrote that out a little different. . I do not want anyone to give me a source such as who you all use.... I was wondering if things have changed so drastically since the last time I was doing this that getting pharmacy grade stuff wasn't out there or is that hard to find. And when I say pharmacy grade I am referring to actual pharmacy gear.

Trust that I understand the unwritten policy of asking for sources as a green member.... I might be new on here but I spent years doing this long ago so I understand the need to build relationships and learn through participation.

Back when I was a regular, you could easily go to several online retailers who sold almost all pharmacy gear, now you were not picking up a 10 ml vial for under 65 dollars but for 125 bucks you could get a vial of straight off the pharmacy line with serial numbers and all....... It appears the more I research these days, you have people who might sell Watson pharmacy grade but you have others who are selling fake Watson gear.... Buying fake pharmacy gear was never a worry before.

I guess I am just in shock at how much the scene has changed and how getting a reliable pharmacy hook up is like getting a winning lottery ticket.

When I was asking for the cliff note version of this game I was referring to how do I separate the ugl and the pharmacy suppliers and then how do I know who is reliable. We used to have a site straight up for pharmaceutical grade gear, it was tested by the board monthly and serial numbers checked.... Never a problem...I can't seem to find a board that differentiates pharmacy grade and ugl suppliers. .

I do appreciate the replies. Trust thst I understand not to ask for a source. Back when I was involved a source was strictly a ugl, pharm grade suppliers were not sources, they were available to everyone but not everyone used them because of their cost. Asking for a pharm supplier was not taboo, asking for a ugl was taboo.

 

[Dr JIM]

A lot of the information you seek is in the UNDERGROUND thread.

Your probably overlooking ONE MAJOR difference in the past 20 years that changed the acquisition of AAS remarkably, namely the fact AAS are now listed as SCHEDULE III SUBSTANCES, and the law is now vigouiously enforced.

So folk are much less likely to "give up" their primary and most reliable source. The net effect is those who have been out of the business for a while are confronted with having a considerable amount of leg work ahead of them, and the enhanced likelihood of getting burned once or twice before they locate what was once readily available, a product of consistent quality and content.

In fact the latter is essentially guaranteed unless patience far exceeds your haste and due diligence becomes your newfound mantra!

 

[Gtg10k]

Dr. Jim is spot on. People are much less likely to give up their primary source now to a new guy. Especially with the recent and still ongoing busts by the government. the game changed while you were gone Buckscout. If you really want pharmacy grade, some international sites have European and middle eastern pharma grade for sale, although I don't trust websites very much or the products being legitimate for the most part. I've yet to hear of legit American pharma gear unless there is a private email vendor that has it. If that is what you seek I suggest finding a local dr that bodybuilders go to for it. As the Dr. And others said, get ready to do ALOT of research. Good luck!

 

[Buckscout]

Thank you guys for the replies.... I just cannot fathom how much the scene has changed. I was kind of getting the vibe that American pharmacy grade was more than likely out of the question, I actually never put much thought into the European and other over seas pharm's. .

Do we here at meso have a area where we discuss the offshore pharmacy sites or is it just one of those deals where I search til I find one then do a guide search on them looking for reviews and comments and opinions??? I have no qualms at all about doing the leg work, hell that's how one learns and how one grows intellectually..... I consider it fun at times to research these ugl's.... Where I think it all went sideways for me in the past month or 2 of research is how many people are out there to screw you over.... Do these ugl's not understand that if they just put out a product that is what they say it is then people will flock to them in droves and make money like it's being printed????

To me, I'd much rather go international if I knew I was getting pharmacy quality gear and pay double or triple what I'd pay a ugl.... But if a ugl was actually reputable then I would pay him but dammit, for every good post I see on a ugl, there is 5 negative posts.

Sorry for the rant fellas, I just was not expecting it to be this hard to find a retailer or source that sold pharmacy oils.... I hate to show my age but when I was deciding to go all natural and put the daily grind in the gym, hgh and hcg were not even a blimp on the radar.... Shit, pct was clomid or Nolvadex and thst was it.....

It's just an entire new ball game and I am getting back into it just like a fresh new face.... I look forward to hearing some stories and getting advice from you all.

Does anyone remember the guy "SHOT" from the old BB.com site? That dude screwed members out of like 15k before he hit the road running?.... Wonder what ever happened to him?? Anyone remember him or thst ordeal...

 

[ironwill1951]

go to a rejuvenation center they get their stuff from a compounding pharmacy, expensive but your odds are good the get gear that's gtg ,