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[24than]

This.

...and hard on liver.

Not in my case...never seen anyone else having liver issues on it also

for me it works wonders on tren, better than any benzo IMO and no additction on in too

Why people comment that never try any of those meds...

Kventiapin in smaller doses in well used for maintaining abstinance for those that abused alcohol and other drugs.

For short perioud of use you should be fine, with no tolarance as seen with benzos...

 

[janoshik]

Not in my case...never seen anyone else having liver issues on it also

for me it works wonders on tren, better than any benzo IMO and no additction on in too

Why people comment that never try any of those meds...

Kventiapin in smaller doses in well used for maintaining abstinance for those that abused alcohol and other drugs.

For short perioud of use you should be fine, with no tolarance as seen with benzos...

Oh, I remembered learning that it shouldn't really be used with preexisting liver issues. It's probably because of clearance, then, my mistake.

 

[24than]

Friendly reminder seroquel needs an EKG upon traitement initiation, a bunch of bloodwork value, has a terrible metabolic impact and is one the most thrombogenic neuroleptic
Not even talking about libido issueq which are very common

What a terrible idea, lol

I am hearing that for the first time...I got it prescribed and never need any EKG or blood tests...interesting. And it is quite common prescribed here in europe

 

[Havah]

I am hearing that for the first time...I got it prescribed and never need any EKG or blood tests...interesting. And it is quite common prescribed here in europe

Depending on the dosage that may or may not be a medical mistake

 

[eryximachus]

Friendly reminder seroquel needs an EKG upon traitement initiation, a bunch of bloodwork value, has a terrible metabolic impact and is one the most thrombogenic neuroleptic
Not even talking about libido issueq which are very common

What a terrible idea, lol

Seroquel absolutely does not require these levels of tests. All antipsychotics negatively impact blood lipids and blood sugar levels. They antagonist adrenal receptors, which are used to control blood sugar.

Most people don't have a problem, but metformin has been studied heavily and basically eliminates the blood sugar problem.

Sexual problems are rare on Seroquel, certainly far less common than SSRIs.

Thrombosis, I have not heard that and won't research. If you're fucking crazy and hearing voices, Seroquel is a good choice. What is better for such people?

At the end of the day, Seroquel is better for controlling anxiety and mood while on steroids or during withdrawal. It is non-addictive, side effects can be controlled with metformin, and the lipid profile, like using steroids and especially tren rapidly return to baseline after cessation.

So no, it's not a terrible idea.

Is valium better? yes. Is it wise to recommend it when addiction is a real possibility? I don't think so.

Seroquel long term is for people with real problems. All the risk discussed are for them the price they pay to so they don't hear voices or hallucinate. We're not talking abou 10 years of usage. We're talking about use while on cycle, and during withdrawal/PCT FOR THOSE WHO NEED IT.

 

[eryximachus]

I am hearing that for the first time...I got it prescribed and never need any EKG or blood tests...interesting. And it is quite common prescribed here in europe

That's because it's bullshit. I was prescribed it here in the states. No follow-up tests and CERTAINLY not an EKG.

As I said, it only negatively impacts lipids and blood sugar levels. The latter can be controlled with metformin. If you're running it on cycle, none of this matters as just like with steroids, they all return to baseline.

Remember, most steroids will increase blood sugar levels and increase LDLs. Both steroids and seroquel quickly return to baseline after cessation.

 

[eryximachus]

Depending on the dosage that may or may not be a medical mistake

Yeah? Find us one pubmed link that recommends EKGs with Seroquel.

 

[eryximachus]

If you need an antipsychotic to use tren then what you really need is to not use tren. I’m kinda weird but haven’t noticed any psychological effects with tren, maybe a shorter fuse.

I stick to NPP and primo and a few orals these days for this reason.

But, the power of tren can't be underestimated. There are times you may need it. Let's face it - 12 weeks of 100mg EOD of tren ace will turn you into a beast. Someday, you may need to get jacked fast. For me, if I had to do it, I'd take seroquel, or benzos like valium or xanax.

Honestly, I have no problem with benzo withdrawal. But I've got some bros at the gym that are addicted. I think about 50% of people get addicted to benzos. So I just throw Seroquel out there as an alternative.

This is a topic that doesn't get addressed. But major/minor tranquilizer usage is much more common among steroid users than we want to admit.

12 weeks of Seroquel won't kill you. 5 years of benzo addiction will fuck with your life.

 

[The Terminator]

I stick to NPP and primo and a few orals these days for this reason.

But, the power of tren can't be underestimated. There are times you may need it. Let's face it - 12 weeks of 100mg EOD of tren ace will turn you into a beast. Someday, you may need to get jacked fast. For me, if I had to do it, I'd take seroquel, or benzos like valium or xanax.

Honestly, I have no problem with benzo withdrawal. But I've got some bros at the gym that are addicted. I think about 50% of people get addicted to benzos. So I just throw Seroquel out there as an alternative.

This is a topic that doesn't get addressed. But major/minor tranquilizer usage is much more common among steroid users than we want to admit.

12 weeks of Seroquel won't kill you. 5 years of benzo addiction will fuck with your life.

I won’t deny that tren is potent and not too pricy like trest, but a recreational user shouldn’t use tren if they have to use an tranquilizer and another medication to counteract the effects of said tranquilizer. Tbh recreational users should avoid tren altogether regardless of needing a tranquilizer but we know people are gonna use it.

I guess I’m lucky that even tho I’m a little crazy I experience no psychological side effects from tren, maybe a shorter fuse. Actually I think tren has had positive effect, better more positive mood etc.

Best to avoid long term benzo use, I was able to use them for nearly a decade before I finally became dependent. Won’t use them again unless it’s life or death.

 

[eryximachus]

Best to avoid long term benzo use, I was able to use them for nearly a decade before I finally became dependent. Won’t use them again unless it’s life or death.

I'm in the same boat, hence why I suggest some major tranquilizers like Seroquel are superior. In some ways, the side effects are GOOD as they will keep you from using it long term. Only the truly crazy love the stuff. I personally didn't have a big problem getting off benzos, but the cognitive side effects towards the end were very noticeable. I'm thankful I didn't have a year of withdrawal or whatever. But, long term use I agree is bad and an easy trap to fall into. Especially if you are on gear. I really think it's one of those unspoken evils in this biz.

Anyway, I fully agree. Tren is too risky vs the effects, and I don't think it is worth it unless you are an actor/athlete making serious cash. I know for me, it increases my attractiveness to the point in 4 weeks people are always like "you look great!", meanwhile I'm 5mg/day of cialis (not for ED), beta blockers, alpha blockers, and lisinopril to keep my blood pressure down haha.

 

[The Terminator]

I'm in the same boat, hence why I suggest some major tranquilizers like Seroquel are superior. In some ways, the side effects are GOOD as they will keep you from using it long term. Only the truly crazy love the stuff. I personally didn't have a big problem getting off benzos, but the cognitive side effects towards the end were very noticeable. I'm thankful I didn't have a year of withdrawal or whatever. But, long term use I agree is bad and an easy trap to fall into. Especially if you are on gear. I really think it's one of those unspoken evils in this biz.

Anyway, I fully agree. Tren is too risky vs the effects, and I don't think it is worth it unless you are an actor/athlete making serious cash. I know for me, it increases my attractiveness to the point in 4 weeks people are always like "you look great!", meanwhile I'm 5mg/day of cialis (not for ED), beta blockers, alpha blockers, and lisinopril to keep my blood pressure down haha.

Yea once I decided I was done with benzos it wasn’t so difficult getting off. Of course I underestimated how dependent I was so I had to go to the hospital via ambulance for a week because of the tonic-clonic seizures, they tapered me with iv Ativan until I was lucid then pill form. They prescribed another 20-30 pills so overall a couple weeks of tapering but 5 days of real tapering. Should of expected the withdrawals since I was taking an absolute minimum of 10mg of Xanax, usually double but the seizures didn’t hit for a week after going cold turkey so I thought I was in the clear.

Yea even tho I say don’t use tren unless you’re making $ off of it I still use it. Not gonna lie it’s kind of addicting especially with an equal or higher dose of T. Even offer 8 weeks I still have good “feelz” but I bet when I get blood work it’ll be jacked up.

Anyway if you need something for the anxiety I would try Benadryl or hydroxyzine first. And I too take bp meds (clonidine), I used to be obese and had high bp, I’m pretty sure I can taper off the med now tho.

 

[Dr JIM]

I have a friend that just got put on it and its working great for him.

I normally don't need this kinda thing but im running a heavy cycle for a PL meet and just need a bump in my mood.

I have items to trade if anyone is interested...

IME the fact you’re in search of this ANTI-psychotic is proof enough you are running AAS for all the wrong reasons, since this NEW antipsychotic is currently approved for Schizophrenia, Bipolar Disorder and as SECOND LINE TX for severe depression....

Let me put it this way although antipsychotics effect CNS neurotranmission thru putative mechanisms the precise mechanism of action UNKNOWN!

And don’t let the NEWNESS fool you bc the last wonder antipsychotic drug Reserpine resulted in a nice trifecta consisting of ED, GYNCO and a high E-2.

And since almost all drugs in this class inhibit alpha adenetgic receptors, orthostatic hypotension will certainly give you a wake up call.

In the latter instance your BP will bottom OUT (and that means “dizzy” as shit) when squatting several hundred pounds placing yourself and others at risk of serious injury.

AND bc of these and many other side effect related complications of this drug class, NO ED PHYSICIAN would write a script or even a refill a script wo first speaking to the patients PSYCHIATRISTS, and that NEVER happens.

Bottom line find another drug to experiment with or stop doing whatever
resulted in a need for this form of therapy.

Jim

 

[Havah]

Seroquel absolutely does not require these levels of tests. All antipsychotics negatively impact blood lipids and blood sugar levels. They antagonist adrenal receptors, which are used to control blood sugar.

Most people don't have a problem, but metformin has been studied heavily and basically eliminates the blood sugar problem.

Sexual problems are rare on Seroquel, certainly far less common than SSRIs.

Thrombosis, I have not heard that and won't research. If you're fucking crazy and hearing voices, Seroquel is a good choice. What is better for such people?

At the end of the day, Seroquel is better for controlling anxiety and mood while on steroids or during withdrawal. It is non-addictive, side effects can be controlled with metformin, and the lipid profile, like using steroids and especially tren rapidly return to baseline after cessation.

So no, it's not a terrible idea.

Is valium better? yes. Is it wise to recommend it when addiction is a real possibility? I don't think so.

Seroquel long term is for people with real problems. All the risk discussed are for them the price they pay to so they don't hear voices or hallucinate. We're not talking abou 10 years of usage. We're talking about use while on cycle, and during withdrawal/PCT FOR THOSE WHO NEED IT.

Hey, you just need to get better info on the matter, look up for thrombosis with SGA the evidence is all around


You advised for 50-600mg dosage range, are you even aware the effects of quetiapine vary with the doses used? 600mg doesnt do the same as 300mg (which is the recommended dosage for depression augmentation) and you can very well see some affective blunting at 600mg daily

Clinical guidelines for SGA surveillance are all over the place, you ll realise its much more complicated than lipid pannel and glycemia

I m not gonna spend any more time arguing with someone saying you can manage metabolic issues from a SGA such as quetiapine (which is probably the 3rd most agressive SGA after cloza and olanzapine as far as metabolic issues go) with metformine and be done with it, no offense

Also just fiy hearing voices and hallucinating is kinda redundant as voices are classified as auditory hallucinations, you probably got it mixed up with delirium



Take care

 

[Munky]

Lots of guys smoke weed that juice up here in Canada its legal, not me lol anyway not doctor