Looking for opinions on first cycle for tendon healing

[XTroyAnabolicX]

I heard rumours that test e is good for muscle synthesis, but nano is good for collagen synthesis. The goal being having the collagen synthesis on par or higher than muscle so that the muscle does not overpower the tendons.

I have been battling many injuries, after going 10 good years without having more than minor sprains a year which usually healed in 1-4 weeks.
However this year I accumulated a partial tear in the lat, shoulder, and glutes, and several small strains here and there, since September 2023, and hoping to break out of this downward spiral of injuries. I recently purchased my roids, and I want to know if the AI and ancillaries are right and at the correct portions for the Test E and Deca I plan to use.
Ideally, I want to start week 1 with 25mg Test E and 50mg Deca just to see how I react to it, and stick to 50mg/week Test E and 50 or 100 mg/week Deca just to have minimal side effects.. however, I am afraid that might be way too little even if just for therapeutic benefits... anyhow, I am wondering if I can get some opinions, as to whether the cycle below would be feasible for healing and therapeutic benefits mainly.
I have read articles some doctors prescribe nano for osteoporosis at doses of 50mg, so if that's enough to also help with tendons as well, and have the minimum potential side effects, then even that's all good with me, but just that the Test dose I guess would have to be lower than the nano dose to prevent muscle overpower... which I guess would mean bad news considering it will be under the minimum recommended dose of 100mg/week considering my natural test production would completely stop, even if I only used 25mg/week Test E.

Proposed First Cycle

• Week 1-10 – 100mg/week Testosterone Enanthate + 100-150mg/week Deca Nandrolone
• Week 1-12 – 0.25mg/eod Arimidex (reduce it to 0.125mg/eod in week 12)

Ancillaries

• Week 1-12 – 20mg/day Nolvadex to combat gyno symptoms
• Week 1-10 – 0.5mg/e3d Cabergoline (if having prolactin issues)
• Week 3-10 – 250iu/eod HCG

PCT

• Week 13 – 40mg/day Nolvadex
• Week 14-16 – 20mg/day Nolvadex

 

[lukiss96]

Nand especially deca is a big NO for your first cycle. Too many issues could possibly occur and you will be battling side effects and possibly slamming AI out of not knowing what you're doing. This coupled with such long ester, if you react bad then you will have a hard time, did you think about recovery from deca?

Nolva and caber? Have it on hand sure, but caber is greatly overused anyway and not needed (most of the time). Nolva only when/if gyno symptoms to zap it.

Still, best first cycle remains Testosterone only. If you want a moderate cycle then 250-300mg is enough for your first time. You can gain a lot, if you know what you're doing in the gym and kitchen.

Don't take ai or other meds without bloods. Symptoms only are not enough.

If you're worried about your injuries, I advise you to heal yourself up first and then be 100% once you cycle.

To me you don't sound ready yet. Good luck.

 

[Sector]

I heard rumours that test e is good for muscle synthesis, but nano is good for collagen synthesis. The goal being having the collagen synthesis on par or higher than muscle so that the muscle does not overpower the tendons.

I have been battling many injuries, after going 10 good years without having more than minor sprains a year which usually healed in 1-4 weeks.
However this year I accumulated a partial tear in the lat, shoulder, and glutes, and several small strains here and there, since September 2023, and hoping to break out of this downward spiral of injuries. I recently purchased my roids, and I want to know if the AI and ancillaries are right and at the correct portions for the Test E and Deca I plan to use.
Ideally, I want to start week 1 with 25mg Test E and 50mg Deca just to see how I react to it, and stick to 50mg/week Test E and 50 or 100 mg/week Deca just to have minimal side effects.. however, I am afraid that might be way too little even if just for therapeutic benefits... anyhow, I am wondering if I can get some opinions, as to whether the cycle below would be feasible for healing and therapeutic benefits mainly.
I have read articles some doctors prescribe nano for osteoporosis at doses of 50mg, so if that's enough to also help with tendons as well, and have the minimum potential side effects, then even that's all good with me, but just that the Test dose I guess would have to be lower than the nano dose to prevent muscle overpower... which I guess would mean bad news considering it will be under the minimum recommended dose of 100mg/week considering my natural test production would completely stop, even if I only used 25mg/week Test E.

Proposed First Cycle

• Week 1-10 – 100mg/week Testosterone Enanthate + 100-150mg/week Deca Nandrolone
• Week 1-12 – 0.25mg/eod Arimidex (reduce it to 0.125mg/eod in week 12)

Ancillaries

• Week 1-12 – 20mg/day Nolvadex to combat gyno symptoms
• Week 1-10 – 0.5mg/e3d Cabergoline (if having prolactin issues)
• Week 3-10 – 250iu/eod HCG

PCT

• Week 13 – 40mg/day Nolvadex
• Week 14-16 – 20mg/day Nolvadex

Hmmm.... so a couple things:

1) Starting with such a low dose of test e and deca in week 1 then tapering up to another low dosage is useless. They're long esters that take time to build in the system, so you won't probably won't even feel anything in week 1, especially at the dosage you listed. You also want to keep blood levels as stable as possible for less sides, so if youre changing the dose on a weekly basis it could make it hard to assess how youre tolerating the compounds. If your goal is to use this for strictly therapeutical benefits (muscle + collagen synthesis), then just run the test and deca at a 1:1 ratio of 100mg or 150mg a week, split into 2 shots even spread out. 10 weeks for test e and Deca is also too short, given the long half life's and the time it takes to saturate in the system. I'd recommend 16 weeks personally.

2) ancillaries -- it's good to have Caber/AI/Nolvadex on hand to combat potential symptoms, but the frequency of the dosages you're proposing is wayyyyyyyy too much, especially considering how low of dosages you are planning to run. I'd probably start the arimidex once per week, rather than your proposed every other day, and see how once a week treats you. If your estrogen ends up being too low (dry/achy joints and lethargic), then back off the AI even more. The only time you should add Nolvadex is if you start getting issues with nipple sensitivity, and feel you are developing gyno, at which case do Nolvadex 2x a week on injection days, but I highly doubt you'll have issues or even need Nolvadex at all with the dosages you're taking, assuming you're also taking your AI as needed. This brings me to the caber. Don't take it e3d, only take it as needed. Prolactin side effects usually only occur when your estrogen is abnormally high, which fuels prolactin sides and can cause lactation. If you're estrogen is in check, you're probably not going to experience prolactin sides, so like Nolvadex, only use the caber as needed should something happen and you start getting sides. (Plus it's a dopamine agonist, try not to play with your dopamine levels as much as possible. Long term it will save you a lot of trouble)

3) PCT --- if you're ever planning on cycling again it would probably just be easier for you to cruise on the dosages you're on. It will save you a lot of headache and hormonal changes in the long run. If you're truly doing a one and done cycle and won't ever touch gear again (unlikely, but it does happen), I would recommend: running HCG throughout the entire cycle AND through the PCT as well. Your PCT should be at minimum 6 weeks, but I'd probably recommend 8-10 weeks, especially after running a 19 nor which is notoriously suppressive and will also take longer than 2 weeks to clear your system even after the last Shot. Also just run the nolvadex at 40mg all the way through the PCT. I know the PCT recommendation might seem excessive, but truthfully the longer you run it, the better your odds at recovering your natural testosterone production, and also sustaining this recovery of natural production levels

 

[trtbuilder]

Bpc157 / tb500

 

[unkwnlifter]

250 test e
125 deca
2-4ius hgh
if your just looking for a healing cycle.

Souldnt need AI or prolactin blocker but have them just incase you're super sensitive

Run it 16-20 weeks and do a PCT or cruise depending on age.

 

[I4NI]

I would stay away from Deca, if you can swing Primo do that. I was in same boat as you with an avalanche of soft tissue injuries late in my career. These coincided with my use of PEDs/AAS. I found out later that Deca is a major culprit here! It was apparent my tendons and ligaments were having trouble supporting turbocharged muscle growth and extreme physical demands. I was fortunate to have access to a good doctor who used a combination Surgery, TB500, PRP therapy and stem cell.

I’m glad you put this out there to the community, these are common injuries among AAS users and one of those known unknowns of using. I’m certainly no expert on this particular topic but I am personally interested in what the more experienced, knowledgeable and educated community members have to say about your post because like I said it happened to me as well.

 

[I4NI]

Bpc157 / tb500

Agreed there

 

[Avarice911]

For strictly healing, I’d keep anabolics lower. Something like-

200mg Test Cyp
5-10mg Anavar
4-5iu HGH

and call it a day. BPC157 and TB500 are options too but I’m not sure they ever did anything for me

 

[hblast]

I've had great success with BPC-157 for tendon healing - a tennis elbow tendon injury. It really sped up recovery, the physiotherapist was impressed.

 

[jJjburton]

I heard rumours that test e is good for muscle synthesis, but nano is good for collagen synthesis. The goal being having the collagen synthesis on par or higher than muscle so that the muscle does not overpower the tendons.

I have been battling many injuries, after going 10 good years without having more than minor sprains a year which usually healed in 1-4 weeks.
However this year I accumulated a partial tear in the lat, shoulder, and glutes, and several small strains here and there, since September 2023, and hoping to break out of this downward spiral of injuries. I recently purchased my roids, and I want to know if the AI and ancillaries are right and at the correct portions for the Test E and Deca I plan to use.
Ideally, I want to start week 1 with 25mg Test E and 50mg Deca just to see how I react to it, and stick to 50mg/week Test E and 50 or 100 mg/week Deca just to have minimal side effects.. however, I am afraid that might be way too little even if just for therapeutic benefits... anyhow, I am wondering if I can get some opinions, as to whether the cycle below would be feasible for healing and therapeutic benefits mainly.
I have read articles some doctors prescribe nano for osteoporosis at doses of 50mg, so if that's enough to also help with tendons as well, and have the minimum potential side effects, then even that's all good with me, but just that the Test dose I guess would have to be lower than the nano dose to prevent muscle overpower... which I guess would mean bad news considering it will be under the minimum recommended dose of 100mg/week considering my natural test production would completely stop, even if I only used 25mg/week Test E.

Proposed First Cycle

• Week 1-10 – 100mg/week Testosterone Enanthate + 100-150mg/week Deca Nandrolone
• Week 1-12 – 0.25mg/eod Arimidex (reduce it to 0.125mg/eod in week 12)

Ancillaries

• Week 1-12 – 20mg/day Nolvadex to combat gyno symptoms
• Week 1-10 – 0.5mg/e3d Cabergoline (if having prolactin issues)
• Week 3-10 – 250iu/eod HCG

PCT

• Week 13 – 40mg/day Nolvadex
• Week 14-16 – 20mg/day Nolvadex

You could just not go heavy, and progress in a proper manner by going off slight progressions, then to the yearly progressions and focus on eccentrics, while healing, and utitlizing exercises that dont put your body in hazardous positions, where the mechanics of the movement is detrimental and more prone to injuries…

 

[jJjburton]

I heard rumours that test e is good for muscle synthesis, but nano is good for collagen synthesis. The goal being having the collagen synthesis on par or higher than muscle so that the muscle does not overpower the tendons.

I have been battling many injuries, after going 10 good years without having more than minor sprains a year which usually healed in 1-4 weeks.
However this year I accumulated a partial tear in the lat, shoulder, and glutes, and several small strains here and there, since September 2023, and hoping to break out of this downward spiral of injuries. I recently purchased my roids, and I want to know if the AI and ancillaries are right and at the correct portions for the Test E and Deca I plan to use.
Ideally, I want to start week 1 with 25mg Test E and 50mg Deca just to see how I react to it, and stick to 50mg/week Test E and 50 or 100 mg/week Deca just to have minimal side effects.. however, I am afraid that might be way too little even if just for therapeutic benefits... anyhow, I am wondering if I can get some opinions, as to whether the cycle below would be feasible for healing and therapeutic benefits mainly.
I have read articles some doctors prescribe nano for osteoporosis at doses of 50mg, so if that's enough to also help with tendons as well, and have the minimum potential side effects, then even that's all good with me, but just that the Test dose I guess would have to be lower than the nano dose to prevent muscle overpower... which I guess would mean bad news considering it will be under the minimum recommended dose of 100mg/week considering my natural test production would completely stop, even if I only used 25mg/week Test E.

Proposed First Cycle

• Week 1-10 – 100mg/week Testosterone Enanthate + 100-150mg/week Deca Nandrolone
• Week 1-12 – 0.25mg/eod Arimidex (reduce it to 0.125mg/eod in week 12)

Ancillaries

• Week 1-12 – 20mg/day Nolvadex to combat gyno symptoms
• Week 1-10 – 0.5mg/e3d Cabergoline (if having prolactin issues)
• Week 3-10 – 250iu/eod HCG

PCT

• Week 13 – 40mg/day Nolvadex
• Week 14-16 – 20mg/day Nolvadex

You are ysing WAY to many anchillies for the amount of dosing…and that is actually more of an issue to the actual AAS for tendon and bodily injuries, making them less dry and such

 

[XTroyAnabolicX]

I would stay away from Deca, if you can swing Primo do that. I was in same boat as you with an avalanche of soft tissue injuries late in my career. These coincided with my use of PEDs/AAS. I found out later that Deca is a major culprit here! It was apparent my tendons and ligaments were having trouble supporting turbocharged muscle growth and extreme physical demands. I was fortunate to have access to a good doctor who used a combination Surgery, TB500, PRP therapy and stem cell.

I’m glad you put this out there to the community, these are common injuries among AAS users and one of those known unknowns of using. I’m certainly no expert on this particular topic but I am personally interested in what the more experienced, knowledgeable and educated community members have to say about your post because like I said it happened to me as well.

Sorry for the late reply, how long did it take you to recover from it and go back to your usual lifts.

 

[Ateam2023]

Can you start bpc157 at 500 mcg twice per day? Or should you titrate up? Experienced users only need reply thank you

 

[XTroyAnabolicX]

Hmmm.... so a couple things:

1) Starting with such a low dose of test e and deca in week 1 then tapering up to another low dosage is useless. They're long esters that take time to build in the system, so you won't probably won't even feel anything in week 1, especially at the dosage you listed. You also want to keep blood levels as stable as possible for less sides, so if youre changing the dose on a weekly basis it could make it hard to assess how youre tolerating the compounds. If your goal is to use this for strictly therapeutical benefits (muscle + collagen synthesis), then just run the test and deca at a 1:1 ratio of 100mg or 150mg a week, split into 2 shots even spread out. 10 weeks for test e and Deca is also too short, given the long half life's and the time it takes to saturate in the system. I'd recommend 16 weeks personally.

2) ancillaries -- it's good to have Caber/AI/Nolvadex on hand to combat potential symptoms, but the frequency of the dosages you're proposing is wayyyyyyyy too much, especially considering how low of dosages you are planning to run. I'd probably start the arimidex once per week, rather than your proposed every other day, and see how once a week treats you. If your estrogen ends up being too low (dry/achy joints and lethargic), then back off the AI even more. The only time you should add Nolvadex is if you start getting issues with nipple sensitivity, and feel you are developing gyno, at which case do Nolvadex 2x a week on injection days, but I highly doubt you'll have issues or even need Nolvadex at all with the dosages you're taking, assuming you're also taking your AI as needed. This brings me to the caber. Don't take it e3d, only take it as needed. Prolactin side effects usually only occur when your estrogen is abnormally high, which fuels prolactin sides and can cause lactation. If you're estrogen is in check, you're probably not going to experience prolactin sides, so like Nolvadex, only use the caber as needed should something happen and you start getting sides. (Plus it's a dopamine agonist, try not to play with your dopamine levels as much as possible. Long term it will save you a lot of trouble)

3) PCT --- if you're ever planning on cycling again it would probably just be easier for you to cruise on the dosages you're on. It will save you a lot of headache and hormonal changes in the long run. If you're truly doing a one and done cycle and won't ever touch gear again (unlikely, but it does happen), I would recommend: running HCG throughout the entire cycle AND through the PCT as well. Your PCT should be at minimum 6 weeks, but I'd probably recommend 8-10 weeks, especially after running a 19 nor which is notoriously suppressive and will also take longer than 2 weeks to clear your system even after the last Shot. Also just run the nolvadex at 40mg all the way through the PCT. I know the PCT recommendation might seem excessive, but truthfully the longer you run it, the better your odds at recovering your natural testosterone production, and also sustaining this recovery of natural production levels

My gear arrived, but I forgot the needles, I will start it once the needles arrive. Ok, so I can do the cycle 16 weeks ideally, then have a 8-10 week PCT... I think I will do this.

Ok I will keep the test e intake constant, however, would it be ok to use only test e for the first 3 weeks, and later start deca, so If I get any sides I will know if its deca or test. If its deca I can always try changing it up for primo or anavar

 

[jJjburton]

I heard rumours that test e is good for muscle synthesis, but nano is good for collagen synthesis. The goal being having the collagen synthesis on par or higher than muscle so that the muscle does not overpower the tendons.

I have been battling many injuries, after going 10 good years without having more than minor sprains a year which usually healed in 1-4 weeks.
However this year I accumulated a partial tear in the lat, shoulder, and glutes, and several small strains here and there, since September 2023, and hoping to break out of this downward spiral of injuries. I recently purchased my roids, and I want to know if the AI and ancillaries are right and at the correct portions for the Test E and Deca I plan to use.
Ideally, I want to start week 1 with 25mg Test E and 50mg Deca just to see how I react to it, and stick to 50mg/week Test E and 50 or 100 mg/week Deca just to have minimal side effects.. however, I am afraid that might be way too little even if just for therapeutic benefits... anyhow, I am wondering if I can get some opinions, as to whether the cycle below would be feasible for healing and therapeutic benefits mainly.
I have read articles some doctors prescribe nano for osteoporosis at doses of 50mg, so if that's enough to also help with tendons as well, and have the minimum potential side effects, then even that's all good with me, but just that the Test dose I guess would have to be lower than the nano dose to prevent muscle overpower... which I guess would mean bad news considering it will be under the minimum recommended dose of 100mg/week considering my natural test production would completely stop, even if I only used 25mg/week Test E.

Proposed First Cycle

• Week 1-10 – 100mg/week Testosterone Enanthate + 100-150mg/week Deca Nandrolone
• Week 1-12 – 0.25mg/eod Arimidex (reduce it to 0.125mg/eod in week 12)

Ancillaries

• Week 1-12 – 20mg/day Nolvadex to combat gyno symptoms
• Week 1-10 – 0.5mg/e3d Cabergoline (if having prolactin issues)
• Week 3-10 – 250iu/eod HCG

PCT

• Week 13 – 40mg/day Nolvadex
• Week 14-16 – 20mg/day Nolvadex

What is going on with your training and day to day you are getting injured so much this year?

 

[holy02]

I wouldn't take nandrolone if you are planning to do PCT as the metabolites will take longer to clear, only in a B&C program.

 

[DoctorX]

If you are injured try tb500 and bpc 157 first.

But if you must train then test e 600mg a week. And do high reps to prevent injury.... If it hurts don't do it and honestly better off staying natural till you are healed

 

[jJjburton]

My gear arrived, but I forgot the needles, I will start it once the needles arrive. Ok, so I can do the cycle 16 weeks ideally, then have a 8-10 week PCT... I think I will do this.

Ok I will keep the test e intake constant, however, would it be ok to use only test e for the first 3 weeks, and later start deca, so If I get any sides I will know if its deca or test. If its deca I can always try changing it up for primo or anavar

You cannot PCT with deca or actually npp, it stays in system for way to long

 

[lift4lyfe]

Proposed First Cycle

• Week 1-10 – 100mg/week Testosterone Enanthate + 100-150mg/week Deca Nandrolone
• Week 1-12 – 0.25mg/eod Arimidex (reduce it to 0.125mg/eod in week 12)

PCT

• Week 13 – 40mg/day Nolvadex
• Week 14-16 – 20mg/day Nolvadex

Deca is going to be in your system for minimum 10 weeks after your PCT ends... don't do deca if you're planning to PCT

 

[XTroyAnabolicX]

What is going on with your training and day to day you are getting injured so much this year?

The ppl I interact with in my day-to-day make it more difficult than it used to be... no consideration for my limitations, mainly because it's a serious injury, so moving my legs too fast when walking flares my hip (I suspect my hip likely consists of several issues including a high hip hamstring tear which is probably the main issue, a glute medius tear, possibly something in the piriformis, groin and IT band.. so quite a few parts severed there lol). If I move my arms too quickly or something, it can easily trigger a flare-up of my shoulder bursitis.