low carb cycle

calebgreene

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Hello you "juice monkeys"!
I was wondering it it is possible to put on pure lean mass by eliminating excess carbs while on a cycle. Specifically a deca and sust cycle. I would of course have a big amount of carbs post-workout, but during the day I would like to keep the carb intake to very low to none at all. My goal is to get a good amount of lean muscle from the juice and lose a good amount of fat from the low carbs. Any experience or suggestions would be great!!
 
calebgreene said:
Hello you "juice monkeys"!
I was wondering it it is possible to put on pure lean mass by eliminating excess carbs while on a cycle. Specifically a deca and sust cycle. I would of course have a big amount of carbs post-workout, but during the day I would like to keep the carb intake to very low to none at all. My goal is to get a good amount of lean muscle from the juice and lose a good amount of fat from the low carbs. Any experience or suggestions would be great!!
YES! Check out the book "Anabolic Solution" by Mauro Di Pasquale
http://www.mdplusstore.com/viewItem.asp?idproduct=203

I am on this diet and getting nice results, however I am not bulking. I will be on this diet when I bulk again though.

Check out www.robkreider.com
He preaches how good this diet is.

Basically its high fat / high protein / under 30 carbs m-f
Moderate fat / moderate protein / high carbs s-s

If you read the book Pasquale breaks everything down and makes sense of how this works.

Here is what Rob Kreider says on his website...
"In the off-season, my philosophy was the "eat all" diet. Believing that an excess of calories was the only way to grow. It was... I grew out of my clothes to a high body fat of 18%. Yes, I was extremely big, strong, and thought that I could walk through a brick wall without a scratch. That was my mental state.

My physical state left me feeling absolutely horrible. My blood pressure was normally 140-160/90-95, and my resting heart rate was normally between 70-80 bpm. I had daily nose bleeds and my digestive system was crying for help, insisting that I live on Zantac daily, to help my constant indigestion. Yes, I was BIG, but I was miserable.

An off-season diet should not be a lazy diet. It should always be clean and allow the body to grow with the appropriate amount of extra nutrients and calories. In the off-season, your body fat percentage should never rise above 10-12 %. My second learning experience came through my research and practice of the "Evolutionary Diet." I must thank Dr. Mauro Di Pasquale (The Anabolic Diet), Dr. Barry Sears (The Zone), Dr. Robert Atkins (The New Diet Revolution), Dan Duchaine (Body Opus), and all scientists (The study of human evolution) for their researched efforts and information. They all have similar theories on optimal human nutrition.

The human race has become increasingly more obese and disease ridden in the past 100 years. The main reason for this happening was due to the emergence of processed carbohydrate foods and lack of physical activity. Even now, the American Dietetic Association recommends a diet that consists of 60% carbohydrates, 25% fat, and 15% protein. Didn't they study human evolution? Didn't they know that once we became homo-erectus, we were hunters and gatherers? Our diets were high in fat and protein, and low to moderate in carbohydrates. The carbohydrates we ate were far from being processed, they were eaten in the form of fruits, berries, nuts, and seeds. So let's think for a minute... In the USA, we have increasing numbers of heart disease, diabetes, cancer, and obesity. Some may blame it on genetics, I blame it solely on diet!!! I thrive off of logic, so logic tells me, and should tell you, that the average American diet is completely opposite of what it should be.


Our diets should be composed of high fat, high protein, and low carbohydrates, with high carbohydrate cycling. This puts our diets back to how we first ate as humans. We need to switch our body's metabolism from that of a sugar burning, fat producing machine, to that of a fat burning, muscle building machine. This "Evolutionary Diet" maximizes the production and utilization of our body's natural hormones; Growth Hormone, Testosterone, Insulin, and Glucagon. The high carbohydrate diet does not maximize ANY of these hormones. The high carb diet whacks our hormone insulin out of control, increasing the storage of body fat. You have probably heard a lot of body builders say they include red meat in their diets, because it makes them stronger and more aggressive. The strength increase comes from the creatine content of the red meat, and the aggressiveness comes from the high fat content of the meat. If men try a low fat diet, they will notice there testosterone levels drop, and we all know what that leads to. Trust me... Fat is not the enemy... Fat is your friend!!!


We all know the importance of high protein for the repair and constructive process of muscle. The low carb intake (5 consecutive days) allows the body to use dietary and stored body fat as energy. With cyclic carb loadings (2 consecutive days), our bodies maximize insulin for even faster growth, but ceasing the loading phase before you begin to gain body fat.

The transitional phase of the metabolic shift will take 1-2 weeks for you to adjust. You WILL feel tired and lethargic during this time, but DO NOT give up. This diet works like no other. Be strong and persevere. Once you go through the metabolic shift of using fat as energy, you will have MORE energy and never have the energy fluctuations once experienced with the high carb diet.
5 consecutive days (Mon-Fri) of the following: - High Fat/ High Protein/ Low Carbs (30 gms/day)
2 consecutive days (Sat-Sun) of the following: - High Complex Carbs (low glycemic index) / Moderate Fat / Low Protein/



How many calories you take in depends on your goal, and from their you easily determine how many calories you will be consuming based on your bodyweight.
 
You could do what he suggests. I haven't bothered to read any of it because it doesn't matter to me, so I won't comment on anything specific in the links.

However, I see a deeper issue here. Why are you afraid of carbs? You do realize that carbs do not "make you fat", yes? What could eliminating carbs achieve that monitoring your diet couldn't?

Like the guy in the quote said, no, you don't have to eat everything in sight. Thus, you may want to look at your total caloric intake. If you're gaining fat, then lower it. You DO NOT NEED TO ELIMINATE CARBS.
 
Ok, I just glanced through some of the bold faced print and I have to say that shit is a friggin' gimmick if I've ever seen one. Where do I send my four easy installments of 19.95?
 
caleb....i think i understand your question....i am getting ready to do my second cycle and was thinking about how low i could take my carb intake and still make some above average gains....personally, i am extremely carb sensitive....and i have used both dipasquales and duchianes outlines( i know...they are very similar...) for cyclical ketogenic diets with great success...but never tried to gain while restricting carbs....all of the literature i have says tons of carbs while on a cycle.....i think that i am going to apply j. bernardi's 'don't diet' principles and see where that gets me....i am thinking maybe 200-300g carbs/day, 400-500g prot and 100g fat...thats between 3400 and 4100 kcal/day....for reference, i am 34, 5'11", 235 lbs, apprx 14%bf....
most of the experienced guys (not me) will tell you that losing fat and gaining muscle is a very fine line to walk...
does any of this help?

lc
 
That part about the bodyfat never going over 10-12% even when bulking is kinda hard for most people to do--- I would imagine-- You would have to have some very good genetics to never go over that--IMO
 
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