Low dose DNP study

[dr. dnp]

DNP Enthusiasts Check This Out

Just thought all you DNP enthusiasts would enjoy this:

Back in the 80's a Dr. Bachynsky ran a weight loss clinic in Texas and his primary treatment was a combination of DNP and T3. He even patented it. Apparently he was quite sucessful, so successful that he eventually caught the attention of the FDA who fined him and made him stop using giving out DNP. Later he was convicted of insurance fraud and spent a few years in prison. It was while he was in prison, that he met Don Duchaine and DNP was introduced to the bodybuilding world.

You can see the details of his patent (USPO 4,673,691) . It's a quite interesting read and is about the only modern medical literature on DNP use in humans that I know of. Most of his patients were taking low dosages (< 300mg EOD) for up to 10 months.


Now here is the link to his patent... check out the results aome people lost 100+lbs over a year on 250mg's eod..

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=/netahtml/search-adv.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&p=1&S1=4673691.WKU.&OS=PN/4673691&RS=PN/4673691

 

[dr. dnp]

This is a prime example that we all sometimes tend to overdo it. I mean I take 600-800 mgs of dnp for a week and feel like I'm gonna die. But If I could lose that same weight over a month with no sides I'd be much happier


DNP CAN BE SAFE

 

[Grizzly]

That is the ideal level, yes? The point at which it works without making you miserable. That's my theory anyhow.

 

[dr. dnp]

Bump for all you DNP users.....

 

[RovinC]

Bump for all you DNP users.....

I have some T3, how would it be best to use with a very low dose of DNP?

What would the protocol be?

Thanks!

 

[greyowl]

I have some T3, how would it be best to use with a very low dose of DNP?

What would the protocol be?

Thanks!

According to the study, "The thyroid hormone preparation is administered in an amount sufficient to maintain the pretreatment serum T3 concentration in the patient, typically about 70-200 ng/dl in normal patients. Generally, from about 25 to about 200 mcg T3 equivalent per day, or from about 0.3 to about 2.7 mcg T3 equivalent per kilogram of body weight per day, is sufficient. Preferably, the thyroid hormone preparation is administered daily. In an especially preferred embodiment, the thyroid hormone preparation is administered orally with the dinitrophenol. "

Note that the subjects in this study were put on a diet of 1800 cals per day.

 

[getswoll]

I didn't read the study, but I can't imagine spending 10 months of feeling like ass and haveing pisspoor workouts. Tiredness was the only effect I got from DNP until I went to 800mg pd..... Just a thought....
GS

 

[Bob Smith]

I didn't read the study, but I can't imagine spending 10 months of feeling like ass and haveing pisspoor workouts. Tiredness was the only effect I got from DNP until I went to 800mg pd..... Just a thought....
GS

Thats the whole purpose of the study and the way that some people (including myself) choose to use DNP. Lose doses for longer periods of time = good results with little/no sides. And at low doses, I dont have any problems dropping calories quite low.

 

[satchboogie]

I didn't read the study, but I can't imagine spending 10 months of feeling like ass and haveing pisspoor workouts. Tiredness was the only effect I got from DNP until I went to 800mg pd..... Just a thought....
GS

yeah man..
no fuckin way to go that long on dnp.

 

[UVX-Rx]

Why not? Low doses are not supposed to harm workouts OR make you feel like ass. I've heard that people don't feel hardly anything on low doses (200mg ED or EOD), yet the fat loss is very fast.

I agree.... I use 200mg a day and it works very well. No "ASS" feeling and I just seem to burn a little hotter.

 

[getswoll]

That's what I'm saying, the day I took 200 and the day I felt tired as hell, not hot. Same thing for the 400 and 600 day. I suppose it may just effect every person differently.

GS

 

[dr. dnp]

OKAY THAT'S IT!!! I have done many, many DNP cycles but as my next experiment I will take only 200 mg a day for 2 months and see what happens. I'm just sick of having to plan time off for DNP cycles because my dose is to high to function properly.


I will start this long term study on monday. I will include exact bodyweight, body fat % and calorie consumption.... and I guess I'll see what happens.

Dr. DNP

 

[georgie24]

keep us posted


and be safe man

 

[Heretic]

I just want to say how pleased I am that people are finally dicussing DNP as a viable option for shredding. I remember a year or two ago you would have been flamed to hell for this post with comments such as "that shit is rat poison", "that shit will kill you", "stop being lazy and just do cardio". I rarely see these types of posts anymore, it seems that the message board community has finally realized that DNP is not the monster it has been made out to be. To be sure it has its risks as does everything else we do, but also like everything else the risks can be managed and the results can be dramatic.
That being said very nice post bro, I remember reading in detail about this doctor. He was getting his DNP from Kodak apparently, and I believe he was also administering it IV. Many of his patients complained to the FDA about nausea, sweatting, hot flashes (sound familiar?) so when they looked into it they found out was his secret was, our old friend DNP.
I do have to say that recently I have been experimenting with 200mg DNP, 100mcg T-3, and 40mcg clen ED, and although I'm sweating more noticeably than usual and hotter than normal I'm not dead ass tired and my breathing isn't heavy, probably the two more annoying side effects at high dosages. I think I may stick to this indefinitely, or until it gets cold enough to tolerate the higher doses.
Regards,
-H-

 

[Fast Food]

I just want to say how pleased I am that people are finally dicussing DNP as a viable option for shredding. I remember a year or two ago you would have been flamed to hell for this post with comments such as "that shit is rat poison", "that shit will kill you", "stop being lazy and just do cardio". I rarely see these types of posts anymore, it seems that the message board community has finally realized that DNP is not the monster it has been made out to be. To be sure it has its risks as does everything else we do, but also like everything else the risks can be managed and the results can be dramatic.
That being said very nice post bro, I remember reading in detail about this doctor. He was getting his DNP from Kodak apparently, and I believe he was also administering it IV. Many of his patients complained to the FDA about nausea, sweatting, hot flashes (sound familiar?) so when they looked into it they found out was his secret was, our old friend DNP.
I do have to say that recently I have been experimenting with 200mg DNP, 100mcg T-3, and 40mcg clen ED, and although I'm sweating more noticeably than usual and hotter than normal I'm not dead ass tired and my breathing isn't heavy, probably the two more annoying side effects at high dosages. I think I may stick to this indefinitely, or until it gets cold enough to tolerate the higher doses.
Regards,
-H-

how long are you using this per time? are you doing your 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off with the clen and t-3? ED for how long?

 

[RovinC]

Ok I read that patent and it looks like they started out on 50 mcg/day of T3 and 250mg DNP eod for the first 19 days to see how they handled it.
In that time frame some droppped from 14 to 18 lbs. (which is MY goal!)
On the 20th day the T3 was increased to 100mcg/day and added DNP eod at 125mg. So say on Monday youd take 250mg DNP with 100mcg T3, then Tuesday 125mg DNP with 100mcg T3, so on...
After they had lost the goal wt, they stayed on 100mcg of T3 it seems?
250 to 350 days passed and the average wt loss was almost 100lbs (obviously these were obese people).

I am wondering if you took B12 shots while on it would that help counteract the lethargy? Id perfer not to take ECA "plus" DNP as I have read, as that too makes me sweat. I cant imagine ECA, DNP and T3!

A low dose of DNP like they said or even less with T3 sounds like my plan to see how it works, but does anyone know how B12 will interact? Its cheap enough I have heard, so thought that may work.

how long are you using this per time? are you doing your 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off with the clen and t-3? ED for how long?

 

[ImaBldr]

I first read about DNP in Body Opus years ago & when I went to my boards for info you'd have thought that I insulted someone's Momma! It's refreshing to have so much useable info available & presented to us.

Now, after reading the patent, he doesn't say how long the patients stayed on the T3 drugs after reaching their weightloss goals. Any thoughts on that, Dr.?

 

[Heretic]

I'm going to probably stay on it for a month to see how it goes. I won't be running my calories that low (1800) since my BMR is about 4k, but I'll try to run under my BMR. The people in this study were all obese, and as you can see many of them had very high blood pressure and/or enlarged hearts (sound like any of us?). What's great about DNP (unlike clen/eca) is that it will not affect the blood pressure, so for someone with a heart condition or high blood pressure it's actually a godsend.
You also have to remember that these people were kept on 100mcg of T-3 after their DNP cycles, it looks like indefinitely. They were also told to keep their calories at 1800. Although DNP fat loss is amazing it is not "permanent", if you go back to eating like shit you will gradually put the fat back on, just as with anything else.
But I guess you could always hit up the DNP again then
Regards,
-H-

 

[N2_MUSCLE]

LOL...Just read the abstract....Seabrook,Tx is like 5 min. from me. That's crazy.He was definitely on to something

 

[dr. dnp]

Amen heretic.... I used to make DNP posts on ab and ef years ago.... I'd get flamed to shit cause "like a ton of people die from DNP " Nice to see open. intelligent conversation...