I just got my bloodwork done and my IGF-1 is 113. For reference I am 21M so the number seemed a little low to me. I've been on Tirz for a month and have been reading that a caloric deficit can lower IGF. Is that possible in this scenario and my GH is probably normal or am I just borderline deficient? I want some reference on whether it's worth starting Tesa/Ipa
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Low IGF - Can tirz cause this?
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Trenbolonetax
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I don’t have an answer for you just an anecdote.
My IGF1 was in the mid 100 while on 16iu of lab tested GH. Zero AAS. I was on 15mg of tirzepatide and a low carb diet + calorie deficit. Fasting insulin less than 3.
Your GH could be totally normal. IGF1 can depend on other factors.
Grey Spartan
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This right here.
I had mine tested while in a caloric deficit, on Sema, TRT and I'm in my late 50s and it was 238. The reason I had it tested was because I am going to try 3iu of HGH and see what it changes it to.
Ateam2023
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ime with hgh and being in calorie deficit, my igf numbers are on the lower side imo , " i do think" being in a calorie deficit does play a crucial roll in igf response , and i think its a direct result of the body's "reduced energy intake" while being on a lower calorie intake, being in a calorie deficit triggers hormonal and metabolic changes that collectively lead to reduced igf1 levels ,,,,
songsofpyramids
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Calorie deficit lowers igf1. Type-IIX has an article somewhere about different things that can impact igf1.
Ateam2023
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reminds me to re-read that ,,,, if i can find it lol i hate trying to use the search feature,, ive had issues from day 1 on Meso and that damnnnn search bar function,,,,
PaintDrinker
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Not taking growth hormone can do that
malfeasance
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There has to be a whole lot more to that anecdote. What was the plan? How did it work out?
Trenbolonetax
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What do you mean? I was only off of AAS because of fertility purposes trying to get my spermies back from zero. Had tried to restore my fertility with HCG and HMG for several months prior with no luck. Bit the bullet and hopped off of everything except HGH and enclomiphene.
So, I was on 16iu GH (27iu sometimes), 15mg Tirz, a predominantly carnivore diet (+ fruits and protein powder), and a calorie deficit / maybe maintenance some days while riding my bicycle and hitting the gym 4x per week.
So it all worked out splendidly because I got my wife pregnant after 6 months and had 63million sperm per ml, and now I've been back on blast for something like 80 days.
bigMoJo
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What was your baseline, if any, prior to GH?
My IGF is high, goes up higher on AAS, from 240 to 330 currently, with zero GH.
bigMoJo
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I'm doing the same brother. I think we keep showing up on the same road
malfeasance
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That is exactly what I meant. Thanks for elaborating.
Trenbolonetax
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Gotcha. I didn't elaborate in the earlier post since I wasn't sure the "why" mattered.
I'm always happy to elaborate...but I've been told I share too much context sometimes.
malfeasance
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I was just curious why no steroids with a massive amount of growth hormone, but I've been told I am too curious and ask too many questions sometimes.
Trenbolonetax
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Haha yeah, I've heard that one as well. And you're right, a ton of GH and no AAS is a headscratcher.
GH was pretty much the only lever I could pull on to try and reduce atrophy from lack of AAS...so I pulled it HARD.
malfeasance
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How did it work out on your physique?
Spaceman Spiff
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Hypo vs hyper caloric can play a role.
I also don't feel that igf means effectiveness of hgh anymore
I also don't feel that igf means effectiveness of hgh anymore
songsofpyramids
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I agree. There’s a lot more going on than just igf.
