Low total testosterone for first time

[kosp]

Hello,

This blood test was 63 days after last pin, and 35 days after last dose of tamoxifen.

I ran 500 test C and 400 Mast E.

I say it's low because I have never done under 700s, and last summer 2019 I did damn high 1008 ng/dL taking absolutely nothing, all natty. I am 23 years old.

So the new results are:

Total test 436 ng/dL
17 Beta Estradiol 21 pg/mL (range for men 10-50)

I slept just 3 hours the night before the test, I know it's bad, I forced myself to get up early that day because of the 8:00-10:00pm hormonal peak, but I have been used to sleep from 4:30am to 14:00 long time, so it was harsh.

I am going to blast Maca and Tribilus and change my sleep habits for a month and repeat.

What do you think? Maybe it's normal to be still recovering full potential after 63 days post-last pin?

Thanks

 

[Mac11wildcat]

If your test was 60 days post but also 30 days after you stopped PCT I think you might’ve started and stopped PCT too soon.

what was the PCT protocol?

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Hello,

This blood test was 63 days after last pin, and 35 days after last dose of tamoxifen.

I ran 500 test C and 400 Mast E.

I say it's low because I have never done under 700s, and last summer 2019 I did damn high 1008 ng/dL taking absolutely nothing, all natty. I am 23 years old.

So the new results are:

Total test 436 ng/dL
17 Beta Estradiol 21 pg/mL (range for men 10-50)

I slept just 3 hours the night before the test, I know it's bad, I forced myself to get up early that day because of the 8:00-10:00pm hormonal peak, but I have been used to sleep from 4:30am to 14:00 long time, so it was harsh.

I am going to blast Maca and Tribilus and change my sleep habits for a month and repeat.

What do you think? Maybe it's normal to be still recovering full potential after 63 days post-last pin?

Thanks

My first inclination would be that your timelines seem a bit off.

So with Cyp or E Esters....
At 500mg
You should be waiting an absolute minimum of 21 days (Preferably a bit longer, let's call it 25 for an even number.)

Then you ran Nolva for 30 days.

That brings us to what should be 55 days for PCT

But you're saying 63 days after last pin and 35 days after PCT

Which means you finished your PCT on day 28.

Literally 3 days after you should have STARTED PCT.

Or am I reading this wrong

 

[Silentlemon1011]

If your test was 60 days post but also 30 days after you stopped PCT I think you might’ve started and stopped PCT too soon.

what was the PCT protocol?

Beat me to it

 

[kosp]

Right,

I waited 21 days after last pin of AAS for PCT, why? because in the past I have tested my half-life elimination, and after 16 days I was at 500ng/dL, so 21 days seems right to me.

Yes, I did little PCT, just 7 days of 20mg tamox ED, because I just ran the test/mast for 2.5 weeks, just 5 pins of 250/200 each one. Had to stop because covid19 conditions, closed gyms and stuff.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Ah. Got it.

My guess is you were just shutdown a bit too hard for that brief period of PCT to do it. May consider some light HCG use and a brief week or two of low-ish nolva and or clomid to see if it helps.

It’s possible you’ll continue to recover without it as ~450 certainly isn’t crashed.

 

[kosp]

Ah. Got it.

My guess is you were just shutdown a bit too hard for that brief period of PCT to do it. May consider some light HCG use and a brief week or two of low-ish nolva and or clomid to see if it helps.

It’s possible you’ll continue to recover without it as ~450 certainly isn’t crashed.

Thanks.

I added LH and FSH to the bloodwork, if they come off as low I will definitely do that, some HCG and tamox.

450 isn´t crashed, but It doesn´t feel like myself, that´s why I went to test it.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

You should be waiting an absolute minimum of 21 days (Preferably a bit longer, let's call it 25 for an even number.)

25 is an even number? Man, that metric system has you guys up North all kinds of confused.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

25 is an even number? Man, that metric system has you guys up North all kinds of confused.

Touche good sir.

I have Autism, it's not politically correct to make fun of me

 

[kosp]

Will update this thread.

I wanna prove this forum that rising natty test dramatically is easy, so you can reach over 1000ng/dL taking no nothing.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Will update this thread.

I wanna prove this forum that rising natty test dramatically is easy, so you can reach over 1000ng/dL taking no nothing.

For what reason? Inside of the physiological range there’s little difference for what most of us are concerned with. Curious how you plan to do it?

 

[The Terminator]

Hello,

This blood test was 63 days after last pin, and 35 days after last dose of tamoxifen.

I ran 500 test C and 400 Mast E.

I say it's low because I have never done under 700s, and last summer 2019 I did damn high 1008 ng/dL taking absolutely nothing, all natty. I am 23 years old.

So the new results are:

Total test 436 ng/dL
17 Beta Estradiol 21 pg/mL (range for men 10-50)

I slept just 3 hours the night before the test, I know it's bad, I forced myself to get up early that day because of the 8:00-10:00pm hormonal peak, but I have been used to sleep from 4:30am to 14:00 long time, so it was harsh.

I am going to blast Maca and Tribilus and change my sleep habits for a month and repeat.

What do you think? Maybe it's normal to be still recovering full potential after 63 days post-last pin?

Thanks

I know they say 06:00-08:00 is when T is at its highest, but I think if your body’s rhythm has gotten use to a drastically different schedule, or if your just a night owl then I think it’s possible your T levels could peak later. Like I fell asleep at 04:30 and been going to sleep late for a long time so I doubt my T levels peak between 06:00-08:00.

 

[kosp]

I know they say 06:00-08:00 is when T is at its highest, but I think if your body’s rhythm has gotten use to a drastically different schedule, or if your just a night owl then I think it’s possible your T levels could peak later. Like I fell asleep at 04:30 and been going to sleep late for a long time so I doubt my T levels peak between 06:00-08:00.

Yeah that thought crossed my mind many times but the fact is, the bloodwork I did best ever was when I was getting up early consistenly, and pulled out bloods at 8:00, Bomb, +1000ng/dl

Of all the several natty TT tests I have from all over the years, that one was the highest.

 

[kosp]

For what reason? Inside of the physiological range there’s little difference for what most of us are concerned with. Curious how you plan to do it?

-3 days of heavy lifting + 1 for pump

-Sets of 50-100m Sprints 2/3 times a week

-3 or 4 whole eggs daily, omega 3 fish oil, red meat, whey post workout and casein pre-bed

-Supps: Maca & Tribilus & DIM, I respond very well to those, libido skyrocket and high daily energy.

-8 to 9 hours of deep sleep, 400mg of magnesium citrate pre-bed

-No stress, practicing stoicism, Taoist meditations and not giving a fuck about anything, I am a happy animal who lift, eat, sleep and enjoy life, and getting my shit together.

-Healthy relationship with women, very important.

Those are some of my principles, and yes, technically the difference between a person who does these things and other who doesn't, may be just 500ng/dl of total test? But I think and feel it's much more than that

 

[kosp]

-3 days of heavy lifting + 1 for pump

-Sets of 50-100m Sprints 2/3 times a week

-3 or 4 whole eggs daily, omega 3 fish oil, red meat, whey post workout and casein pre-bed

-Supps: Maca & Tribilus & DIM, I respond very well to those, libido skyrocket and high daily energy.

-8 to 9 hours of deep sleep, 400mg of magnesium citrate pre-bed

-No stress, practicing stoicism, Taoist meditations and not giving a fuck about anything, I am a happy animal who lift, eat, sleep and enjoy life, and getting my shit together.

-Healthy relationship with women, very important.

Those are some of my principles, and yes, technically the difference between a person who does these things and other who doesn't, may be just 500ng/dl of total test? But I think and feel it's much more than that

A couple more:

-Taking the sun naked in your balls, this one is crazy goood

-ice bath

 

[kosp]

LH and FSH came up just fine:

LH 3,3 (1,2 - 7,8)
FSH 2,85 (1,4 - 15,4)

Probably not a good idea to fuck with PCT meds.

Best thing is to repeat TT in a couple of months or so.