Magnitude of strength gains on DHB?

[AbstractMind]

Pfff, who needs to walk. And it's a good excuse to skip leg day, bro. This sounds like a miracle drug! It ticks all my boxes: cheap - check! have to put it in the microwave to use it and swirl it around like I'm cooking crack - check! guaicol, my favorite solvent - check! crippling effects - check! possibly stronger than primo - check!

Precisely Lol

 

[Type-IIx]

This stuff ebbs and wanes in popularity, every 10 years or so it comes back into popular use; then fades away because of its intolerability, repeat.

@ZacharyDwight, @Type-IIx

It is a drug that sounds almost too good to be true, with one generally reported side effect. Quite often too good to be true is just that. Exactly why it is so valuable to have a community willing to offer feedback.

Type-llx, would you be willing to share a bit more about the harsher solvents used in DHB?

As @theotherguy mentioned, it's not absolutely necessary to use guaiacol as solvent, but it's almost universally used by UGLs for 1-Test ("DHB") to hold the solute in solution so that PIP complaints/negative feedback is diminished.

Guaiacol is a chemical irritant, a disinfectant, and cough expectorant. It is classified as a hazardous chemical.

According to the World Health Organization's International Agency for Research on cancer, guiaicol is probably carcinogenic to humans. From: IARC. Monographs on the Evaluation of the Carcinogenic Risk of Chemicals to Humans. Geneva: World Health Organization, International Agency for Research on Cancer, 1972-PRESENT. (Multivolume work). [link redacted],p. S7 177 (1987).

Adverse effects in humans include:

Neurotoxin - Acute solvent syndrome
Occupational hepatotoxin - Secondary hepatotoxins: the potential for toxic effect in the occupational setting is based on cases of poisoning by human ingestion or animal experimentation.

Occupational hepatotoxin - Secondary hepatotoxins: the potential for toxic effect in the occupational setting is based on cases of poisoning by human ingestion or animal experimentation.
Nephrotoxin - The chemical is potentially toxic to the kidneys in the occupational setting.
Dermatotoxin - Skin burns.

Its use orally in humans acutely induces gastrointestinal, behavioral, tremor, and other changes.

From what I have seen, 1-Testo seems to always lead to elevated C-reactive protein (CRP), whether directly due to its inflammatory or immunogenic effects starting in muscle tissue, or due to guaiacol, or both. CRP is a liver-secreted marker of systemic inflammation that has some predictive power in cardiovascular/thrombotic risk, and is especially dangerous when elevated along with Lp(a) and LDL.

 

[Kristjen]

This stuff ebbs and wanes in popularity, every 10 years or so it comes back into popular use; then fades away because of its intolerability, repeat.

As @theotherguy mentioned, it's not absolutely necessary to use guaiacol as solvent, but it's almost universally used by UGLs for 1-Test ("DHB") to hold the solute in solution so that PIP complaints/negative feedback is diminished.

Guaiacol is a chemical irritant, a disinfectant, and cough expectorant. It is classified as a hazardous chemical.

According to the World Health Organization's International Agency for Research on cancer, guiaicol is probably carcinogenic to humans. From: IARC. Monographs on the Evaluation of the Carcinogenic Risk of Chemicals to Humans. Geneva: World Health Organization, International Agency for Research on Cancer, 1972-PRESENT. (Multivolume work). [link redacted],p. S7 177 (1987).

Adverse effects in humans include:

Neurotoxin - Acute solvent syndrome
Occupational hepatotoxin - Secondary hepatotoxins: the potential for toxic effect in the occupational setting is based on cases of poisoning by human ingestion or animal experimentation.

Occupational hepatotoxin - Secondary hepatotoxins: the potential for toxic effect in the occupational setting is based on cases of poisoning by human ingestion or animal experimentation.
Nephrotoxin - The chemical is potentially toxic to the kidneys in the occupational setting.
Dermatotoxin - Skin burns.

Its use orally in humans acutely induces gastrointestinal, behavioral, tremor, and other changes.

From what I have seen, 1-Testo seems to always lead to elevated C-reactive protein (CRP), whether directly due to its inflammatory or immunogenic effects starting in muscle tissue, or due to guaiacol, or both. CRP is a liver-secreted marker of systemic inflammation that has some predictive power in cardiovascular/thrombotic risk, and is especially dangerous when elevated along with Lp(a) and LDL.

I couldn't agree more. I only HB or use pharm now that I'm too old to roll the dice. I used some I brewed at 75mg/ml and it still had a bit of bite to it.

That being said - it is so dry like winstrol as it acts against progesterone some guys run it with tren to counteract the progestin effects. Talk about some serious toxicity at least for me...

Kris

 

[cdoubleu]

This stuff ebbs and wanes in popularity, every 10 years or so it comes back into popular use; then fades away because of its intolerability, repeat.

As @theotherguy mentioned, it's not absolutely necessary to use guaiacol as solvent, but it's almost universally used by UGLs for 1-Test ("DHB") to hold the solute in solution so that PIP complaints/negative feedback is diminished.

Guaiacol is a chemical irritant, a disinfectant, and cough expectorant. It is classified as a hazardous chemical.

According to the World Health Organization's International Agency for Research on cancer, guiaicol is probably carcinogenic to humans. From: IARC. Monographs on the Evaluation of the Carcinogenic Risk of Chemicals to Humans. Geneva: World Health Organization, International Agency for Research on Cancer, 1972-PRESENT. (Multivolume work). [link redacted],p. S7 177 (1987).

Adverse effects in humans include:

Neurotoxin - Acute solvent syndrome
Occupational hepatotoxin - Secondary hepatotoxins: the potential for toxic effect in the occupational setting is based on cases of poisoning by human ingestion or animal experimentation.

Occupational hepatotoxin - Secondary hepatotoxins: the potential for toxic effect in the occupational setting is based on cases of poisoning by human ingestion or animal experimentation.
Nephrotoxin - The chemical is potentially toxic to the kidneys in the occupational setting.
Dermatotoxin - Skin burns.

Its use orally in humans acutely induces gastrointestinal, behavioral, tremor, and other changes.

From what I have seen, 1-Testo seems to always lead to elevated C-reactive protein (CRP), whether directly due to its inflammatory or immunogenic effects starting in muscle tissue, or due to guaiacol, or both. CRP is a liver-secreted marker of systemic inflammation that has some predictive power in cardiovascular/thrombotic risk, and is especially dangerous when elevated along with Lp(a) and LDL.

Thanks for passing that on.

With that said, would you consider that a lot of the things you dislike about DHB are negated with the omission of guaiacol? (Except for the elevated CRP that sounds possible either way)

 

[Type-IIx]

Thanks for passing that on.

With that said, would you consider that a lot of the things you dislike about DHB are negated with the omission of guaiacol? (Except for the elevated CRP that sounds possible either way)

Not really. If you look at my highly formalized analysis of 1-Test, here:

Pfff, who needs to walk. And it's a good excuse to skip leg day, bro. This sounds like a miracle drug! It ticks all my boxes: cheap - check! have to put it in the microwave to use it and swirl it around like I'm cooking crack - check! guaicol, my favorite solvent - check! crippling effects - check! possibly stronger than primo - check!

You'll note that only one of these factors is affected by not using guaiacol. I am also of the view that it's likely, at least in part, the nature of 1-Test's tendency to dissolve into its constitutent parts, i.e., its "crashing" even after pinning, in and around the muscle depot, causing inflammation, that's contributing to its increasing CRP.

 

[cdoubleu]

Not really. If you look at my highly formalized analysis of 1-Test, here:

You'll note that only one of these factors is affected by not using guaiacol. I am also of the view that it's likely, at least in part, the nature of 1-Test's tendency to dissolve into its constitutent parts, i.e., its "crashing" even after pinning, in and around the muscle depot, causing inflammation, that's contributing to its increasing CRP.

Highly formalized is right. Haa.

Appreciate the thoughts on that. With the stuff you and @ZacharyDwight have pointed out it gives some new perspective. Personally I’ve just been learning of DHB for the last couple months and now wanted to ask some of my own questions about it.

 

[effswithtren]

I’ve got some made in guiacol and it gives me tren cough far more than tren ever does. Shit fucks my shit up yo.

 

[connoristiny]

Good starting dose?

 

[Jurgen]

Good starting dose?

400mg at least. I ran it at 500mg and loved it. Insane pumps and strength.

 

[Canknucklehead]

Good starting dose?

I had good success with 300mg my first go with it.

 

[PogO]

more like PIP gains, amirite

 

[Demondosage]

300/wk did me just fine and I’ve been gearing for 20+ years

 

[Live_Evil]

300/wk did me just fine and I’ve been gearing for 20+ years

Any noticeable sides at all from 300mg?

 

[Demondosage]

Any noticeable sides at all from 300mg?

Actually, none! I’d pick DHB over tren every time now. It never changed my mood or made me feel off, and mine never caused PIP at all, smooth as fuck

 

[Canknucklehead]

Any noticeable sides at all from 300mg?

Increase in strength, increase in vascularity. No change in BP and my liver blood test came back normal.

 

[Canknucklehead]

Actually, none! I’d pick DHB over tren every time now. It never changed my mood or made me feel off, and mine never caused PIP at all, smooth as fuck

I had a similar experience... I was a little bit leary to try because of all the horror stories I read about PIP.

I had NO pip while using it. I did notice my injection sites stayed a bit harder for a few days post shot but nothing that caused me any grief.

I always split my doses in .5ml DHB (50mg) mixed in with my other oils.

I did mine with tren, I’ll have to give DHB a shot without the tren next time.

 

[Live_Evil]

Actually, none! I’d pick DHB over tren every time now. It never changed my mood or made me feel off, and mine never caused PIP at all, smooth as fuck

Increase in strength, increase in vascularity. No change in BP and my liver blood test came back normal.

I had a similar experience... I was a little bit leary to try because of all the horror stories I read about PIP.

I had NO pip while using it. I did notice my injection sites stayed a bit harder for a few days post shot but nothing that caused me any grief.

I always split my doses in .5ml DHB (50mg) mixed in with my other oils.

I did mine with tren, I’ll have to give DHB a shot without the tren next time.

Wow, thanks guys. I'm getting super psyched for a spring blast with DHB. And there's no way in hell I'll ever call it "one-test" because dihydroboldenone sounds so much cooler, lol.

 

[Canknucklehead]

Wow, thanks guys. I'm getting super psyched for a spring blast with DHB. And there's no way in hell I'll ever call it "one-test" because dihydroboldenone sounds so much cooler, lol.

What are you planning to do for your blast?

Keep us posted and good luck my friend! @Live_Evil

 

[Demondosage]

I did my last cycle with 300/wk prop, 300/wk NPP, 300/wk DHB and it was one of the best cycles I’ve ever run

 

[Live_Evil]

What are you planning to do for your blast?

Keep us posted and good luck my friend! @Live_Evil

Well, I generally advocate for safer cycles, but this'll likely be my last before I restart the HPTA and make some babies, so I might end up doing something a little more extreme, like 1g test and titrate up to 500mg DHB.

I know what the test will be like, but since it's my first time with DHB I'll probably just start at 300mg and go up to 500mg over the course of a month or so, then run it at 500 as long as the sailing is smooth.

I'm still not positive. Also considering less test and just tossing in some anavar. DHB + anavar would likely yield some fun strength gains, but I also don't really want to throw in something hepatotoxic for my first cycle with DHB. As with 99% of us here, size is the primary concern, but I really enjoy strength gains, and it just looks cool as hell to bang out weighted ring dips with a ton of weight hanging from your waist, lol.

Seems like test + DHB is simple enough (and I have enough experience with test) that I can accurately judge how the DHB is working.

The more experienced, wiser individual in me is more like, "500mg test, 300mg DHB, and toss some RAD140 into the mix for the strength gains." but it's going to be my last blast for a long while, and hell, you never know, I might not blast again.

What do you guys think?