BigDadd7
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Good thing we have you young guys to tell us how to do shit we've been doing for 60 years!
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Masteron honest opinions for muscle growth?
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Methyltst1993
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Masteron has no anabolic-androgenic effects. At least for me. It masks E2 well and prevents aromatization, giving the body a dry and hard look, otherwise nothing.
shredded.lyfe
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They use masteron for strength expression since it upregulates the cns
adrenalytic
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Well, it kinda does. It was originally used in breast cancer treatment because androgens can counteract estrogen-dependent tumor growth indirectly. It doesn't bind to estrogen receptors or function as a SERM but instead exerts anti-estrogenic effects through androgen receptor activation and hormonal balance.
It's on the weaker side of androgens though so it might not be noticeable if you've got stronger anabolics in your stack.
Astartes
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This is my experience with EQ. Good solid cosmetic and low impact but consistent addition.
Methyl Mike
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Masteron is a non aromatising androgen. It increases androgens without increasing estrogen which tends to lessen estrogenic side effects. It does nothing to lower estrogen. It does not block estrogen receptors. It does nothing but make you look slightly better at single digit body fat. Personally I have run 600 a week with test GH and I could see the effect it was having muscle building wise and it does not deliver anywhere near what it's price tag suggests.
I never find it to be like super anabolic for muscle tissue or anything, it did make my muscles feel like cinder blocks. Really good on a cut too.
Jesintn
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For muscle growth masteron needs to be moderate or higher, not something Im comfortable doing due to hair miniaturization
Ive done it at 150 mgs weekly in a deca cycle for androgenic drive, rather than take orals like dbol or another dht derived oral, giving them a break
Test and mast )no oral finasteride)cause libido to be on fire . As do oral dht derivatives like a hard to get one Protodrol
Last week of competition prep as well. I’d probably do it last two weeks next time or in hindsight, maybe , as SuperDrol was used
Ive done it at 150 mgs weekly in a deca cycle for androgenic drive, rather than take orals like dbol or another dht derived oral, giving them a break
Test and mast )no oral finasteride)cause libido to be on fire . As do oral dht derivatives like a hard to get one Protodrol
Last week of competition prep as well. I’d probably do it last two weeks next time or in hindsight, maybe , as SuperDrol was used
RockyP
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Sure you can run gear. And you’ll look bloated / watery and have high blood pressure and shitty lipids. But yes you can run gear if you’re fat.
New2theGame!!
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15% isn’t fat, not everyone wants to get on a stage. I can’t help to notice you text paragraph after paragraph and say your this size and weight but have no media pics of yourself?
adrenalytic
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15% isn't fat but it's borderline. Where are you going to go on a bulk? You sure ain't going down in bf. More like 17-20% and guess what? That's fat. Your abs will be gone at that comp.
The smarter, healthier, more attractive option is to diet down to 10-12% so you have room to bulk up.
Unless you're a powerlifter there's literally no other reason to use steroids (beyond TRT) than to look good. Shaving years off your life to be a strong fatty isn't exactly a wise trade-off.
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RockyP
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15% def is not "fat." But it's too fat to use androgens that are going to cause BP to increase, dyslipidemia, and other potential issues. No professional physique athlete goes far above 10% bf in the off season. 12% max. Why? Because they know how hard it is to go from there down to contest shape (and not lose a shitload of muscle). Lots of powerlifters and strongmen use lots of gear, and that's their decision. It's probably the most unhealthy thing I can think of doing, but to each their own.
IMO you don't want to be "that" guy who is chubby but thinks he's big because he's on cycle. The other (very important) issue is that the gear does not work as well when you're fatter. More aromatization, more water retention, more health issues with BP and lipids. TRT yourself down under 15% and then figure it out. If you can't see your abs, you definitely should not be bulking. And since steroids are not fat burners (tren / anavar aside for now), you don't need them above 15%.
IMO you don't want to be "that" guy who is chubby but thinks he's big because he's on cycle. The other (very important) issue is that the gear does not work as well when you're fatter. More aromatization, more water retention, more health issues with BP and lipids. TRT yourself down under 15% and then figure it out. If you can't see your abs, you definitely should not be bulking. And since steroids are not fat burners (tren / anavar aside for now), you don't need them above 15%.
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adrenalytic
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New2theGame!!
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I dont believe in bulk and cut. Gradual increase in cals in my opinions isn’t a bulk. Gradual decrease is a recomp.
So you’re saying you can’t cut on test? I beg to differ. I started at approx 21% 9 years ago added muscle under fat which helps speed up metabolism, got stronger which kept me going to the gym, got leaner each month, watched bloods added in other compounds slowly at low doses, by the following year I was 13% bf with abs and more vascularity than I could imagine. Def wouldn’t have happened naturally and low testosterone levels is far more unhealthy then let’s say 1200 total t.
I now sit year round at 13-14% bf which is healthy. I hope ppl don’t think 8% is healthy.
RockyP
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I'm an old man, technology is hardfyi, you replied to me...who agrees with you
New2theGame!!
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After reading this I think we’re sorta in agreement. I wasn’t saying do 750 mgs at 20% bf
adrenalytic
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Well they believe in you.
Nope, didn't say that at all. Said bulking at 15% you WILL gain fat. It's inevitable. Recomping is possible to a point but this typically happens with very high bf. I was able to recomp (meaning I didn't lose muscle while in a deficit) until I got to around 15%. That's when I noticed my strength decreasing quite rapidly.
At a certain point your body will shift to catabolism once fat stores get low enough which is why, as a general rule, "bulks" are done in a caloric surplus and "cuts" are done in a caloric deficit.
TheBeast1
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I've been running 400mg of NPP and test C right now with otherwise very good results. Truthfully, it has been remarkable for my mental health and my marriage. I almost wish I had some deca dick because I've been regularly pumping out my wife once a day.
The only problem is, I have zero motivation to do my work outs. I force myself but drag my sorry ass through the work out.
I'd like to re-run this stack but add in mast to hopefully give me back some of the testosterone "pep" that made going to the gym fun. Would 100mg per week of mast help this?
The only problem is, I have zero motivation to do my work outs. I force myself but drag my sorry ass through the work out.
I'd like to re-run this stack but add in mast to hopefully give me back some of the testosterone "pep" that made going to the gym fun. Would 100mg per week of mast help this?
RockyP
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You’re motivated for sex but not for training? This may not be gear related. But mast and 19-nor’s do pair well together.
TheBeast1
Member
Trust me, it's very weird. I think the problem may be that I have a home gym and not having people glaring at me between sets to hurry up is why it takes so long now
