Masteron or Primo guy?

[Deleted member 123722]

If price was not a thing (and shouldn't be if you brew it) which do you prefer, considering everything?

 

[grey]

I have only used Mast and never primo so I guess that is my choice by default.

 

[AbstractMind]

Mast over primo for me. Primo puts me in a pretty shit mood even at 250/week. I had a definite E2 lowering effect from it. Real primo is kinda strong at 250. Mast doesn’t lower my e2 but is a solid addition to the overall anabolic load

 

[Deleted member 134759]

Primo is overrated. Crushes my e2 unless I run a fuckin gram of test, And why would I use primo if I’m running a gram? It’s not good for bulking. It’s weak, over priced, basically a reddit buzzword at this point.

Mast improves my mood, cheaper, visually I look better and more vascular, no pip, a great addition to any cycle

 

[Rido]

Primo is overrated. Crushes my e2 unless I run a fuckin gram of test, And why would I use primo if I’m running a gram? It’s not good for bulking. It’s weak, over priced, basically a reddit buzzword at this point.

Mast improves my mood, cheaper, visually I look better and more vascular, no pip, a great addition to any cycle

I have played with the idea of a gram of test and 300 primo to act as AI lol.


But I'm afraid my dick will still be broken.

 

[Deleted member 134759]

I have played with the idea of a gram of test and 300 primo to act as AI lol.


But I'm afraid my dick will still be broken.

That’s exactly what happened to me. 1050 test c, 400 primo. Lips chapped, joints hurt, zero sex drive, felt terrible. E2 was 15pg

That’s not counting the giant knots I got from injecting it. I literally feel better on a half gram of tren than I do primo

 

[mass gain]

I can't say because I don't have a ton of experience with either.

I have more experience with masteron but not enough of a sample size with either to draw a valid conclusion.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Interesting feed back; I've had the exact opposite experience as those who have bad ones.

I brew it myself so it's cheap af, and I have zero PIP. I would never pay 110 a vial, or whatever it costs out there.

I've been on 400/400/400 of cyp, primo, tren e and feel great.

I've notice better orgasms, erections, and good mood.

Thing is, people say Primo is weak, but what does "weak" even mean? It doesn't add water and shit gains? According to some people, the chart that we've all seen which claims Tren is 5x more potent than test or whatever else, is nonsense; all steroids accrete protein synthesis at nearly the same rate, with Deca being slightly superior.

So it seems to me, you pick the drugs your body has no side effects with, and go with those. And on the cycle I'm on now, I have zero sides.

I haven't run masteron is over a decade, and it was part of a blend so I don't even count that. Thing is, I know some folks get harsh sides with it, like hairloss and acne. Primo for me has been virtually side effect free; I feel unless you're brewing your own primo or get pharm-grade—knowing that you have the real deal since it is a flakey powder—you may not even have real primo.

 

[Big_paul]

Truth be told if you didn't know, you would probably not know the difference.

I feel like primo is a better fit to my social status. I just feel like money.

 

[Deleted member 134759]

all steroids accrete protein synthesis at nearly the same rate, with Deca being slightly superior.

wrong

 

[Zmn71]

Primo. Once you find your sweet spot it’s the most hassle free cycle. Skin is clear, erections are good, muscles are constantly pumped.


Mast on the other hand gives me acne in weird places like my quads/forearms. I get zero libido boost but probably because my SHBG has been <5 for years. Makes me look flat and stringy. I don’t believe it builds any muscle no matter what the gurus tell you lol (outside of what you’d get from the free test boost. I’ve ran 300 test with 1000 mast and felt like I was spinning my wheels injecting water)

 

[Zmn71]

Also I’ll add with peoples descriptions of mast “makes you look like stone, hard separated physique” you’d think they’re injecting Winstrol. I’m far from fat and the visual difference is mild at best

 

[Deleted member 123722]

wrong

Why is it wrong? The difference between the various Testosterone derivatives AKA Steroids | Supplementation & Enhancement Plan Harm Reduction Education

 

[Deleted member 134759]

Why is it wrong? The difference between the various Testosterone derivatives AKA Steroids | Supplementation & Enhancement Plan Harm Reduction Education

And you cite a blog as evidence all steroids affect protein synthesis at the same rate lol.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

And you cite a blog as evidence all steroids affect protein synthesis at the same rate lol.

Accrete protein at the same rate... in other words, thre is only so much protein synthesis that the steroids can do; and as the blog stats, there is no evidence showing in human trials that any of them are far superior to another; like the myth tren is 5x more anabolic than testosterone.

If such studies exist, you can easily show them. You won't find them because they don't exist.

And as the blog states, each drug has different affects on other things, but across the board, protein synthesis is accreted at virtually the same rate.

 

[petefox]

I'll go in a different direction: Stenbolone..

Srs, I like both. I feel fuller on primo and drier on mast, stenbolone felt like both but took longer for buildup.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I'll go in a different direction: Stenbolone..

Srs, I like both. I feel fuller on primo and drier on mast, stenbolone felt like both but took longer for buildup.

Never heard of it till now.

 

[petefox]

Never heard of it till now.

Yeah, very obscure and on paper in between mast/primo as far as anabolic/androgenic numbers.

Felt good on 200mg weekly with 200mg MENT enanthate, pretty dry and full but not as veiny as primo makes me. Had some weird markers in my labs come up, so I tapered off until that was rectified (RBC size shrunk, lowered hemoglobin and high platelet which never happens on MENT).

 

[cmK9s33]

Accrete protein at the same rate... in other words, thre is only so much protein synthesis that the steroids can do; and as the blog stats, there is no evidence showing in human trials that any of them are far superior to another;

Claiming they accrete at the same rate because protein accretion can only occur so fast is not the same as "all steroids are equally anabolic mg per mg," which is what the accretion statement implies.

If such studies exist, you can easily show them. You won't find them because they don't exist.

Of course those studies don't exist. You honestly think there would be studies examining the accumulation of protein from weight training in healthy humans? Pharmaceutical companies have never had an interest in selling aas to bodybuilders or athletes. That's absurdly far down the list of potential revenue streams for them.
At best, pharmaceutical companies might have attempted to determine which drugs best retained tissue in patients suffering from muscle wasting conditions.

And as the blog states, each drug has different affects on other things, but across the board, protein synthesis is accreted at virtually the same rate.

That guy has cited some pathetically lousy studies as "evidence" on other topics. Boldenone and kidney harm in particular comes to mind. So I don't give his words much credence.

 

[cmK9s33]

Great. So 500mg of trest is the same as 500mg of mast.

Or 100mg of superdrol is the same as 100mg of anavar.

Got it.

Exactly. 50mg of proviron daily = 50mg of trestolone.