My guess is these high numbers are due to something the chinese are putting in their supposed 'GH' to score high on IGF and serum scores. Anyone knows that USA pharma GH is better than any generic GH coming out of China, and like you said typically the serum scores are around upper 20s to mid 30s. Now, the large serum numbers from generics aren't because they are overdosed that much, and it isn't because it is a superior product to USA pharma GH, so that leaves pretty much one other explanation.
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Well USA is not the only country doing pharma, European countries do hgh, and even China has good Pharma hgh like Ansomone that don’t test that high, Mauve is made in Cambodia and used to be an underground Chinese lab that moved to Cambodia, I also heard recently the Chinese had busted several underground hgh labs
to my knowledge the Chinese government has raid and shut down several main UG labs producing HGH recently and tightened customs control due to complaint from US government so there is wide short supply of HGH now
the Chinese government is negotiating the big trade agreement with the US government now so they must listen to the complaints from the US government now which they used to ignore in the past
to my knowledge the Chinese government has raid and shut down several main UG labs producing HGH recently and tightened customs control due to complaint from US government so there is wide short supply of HGH now
the Chinese government is negotiating the big trade agreement with the US government now so they must listen to the complaints from the US government now which they used to ignore in the past
Hasn't seemed to make it harder to get generuc
I understand your point. I just don't have bad conversion. As the majority of users don't have bad conversion. So, initially I would look at the source and then have them tested.
I have never said IGF-1 is a replacement. If you go back and read many of my past post you would see that I state on many occasions that the ultimate end to finding out if your GH is any good is doing an analysis on the product.
I cannot answer your last question with 100% certainty either way. A few too many variables.
mands
Many false and untrue statements here. The Chinese are not putting anything else in their GH to raise igf-1 scores.
I've seen Chinese generics coming out that have tested on the same level as US Pharm grade.
I don't even understand your last statement or I would address it.
mands
What is false? Guessing they put something else in there? I’m speculating. How do you explain the outrageous serum scores seen on some generics compared to pharm? It isn’t because they are overdosed that much. It isn’t because they are better quality either. So what is in there giving these high scores? Why is the puck of Serostim 1/4 the size of generics that are only 10iu per vial as opposed to Serostim that is 18iu? What is it about generics that when you reconstitute them it takes minutes for the puck to dissolve fully, whereas pharm grade the puck instantly dissolves as soon as water touches it? And results are not dependent on serum and IGF scores. I don’t have crazy high IGF and serum scores like some people have on generics, I use Seros all the time and my results are much better on pharm GH.
I am one of the extremely high GH serum testers and I haven't used pharma so your logic is void. There are plenty of users who have used both and have nearly equal numbers, if you had taken a lil bit of your pharma shilling time and read on the forums you would know
Also how in the name of Jehovah do you know what results other people get LOL. We get it you like pharma better more power to you but stop posting your own bias as if it is a written universal law all of us have to abide by or we will be made to do crossfit please
No they don't sorry bud. I don't use them anymore. I used many a kit of them and they do not dissolve in 3 seconds. I got them from PD. Making up lies, give me a break. If you don't see a difference in the way a vial of generics and pharm GH dissolve then you're simply clueless. I'm asking what is the difference, and why? Clearly you have no clue. Mands is knowledgable about GH so I figured he would know.
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So your telling me that the black tops that I currently have in my fridge. The same ones that I reconstituted this morning take 60 seconds to dissolve?
Interesting because mine completely dissolve when as little as 5iu of bac run down the side of the vile. This is without even swirling? Idk what your talking about?
How is my logic void? You did nothing to prove my logic false, not sure where you think you did. Also, not sure why you're answering if you've never used a kit of pharma GH. You can't even compare the two. Pharma shilling time? Original, I have no stake in shit. Results other people get? Bloodwork, visible results, talking to doctors knowledgable in the subject, comparing the two. You ask how would I know what results other people get, well I'll ask you, How do you know what results other people get? Since you claim to know what results other people get. I asked a couple of valid questions, and you certainly have no answer other than meaningless accusations, which means you have nothing of value to contribute to the conversation.
Morefyah
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Wow, that’s a lot of wasted words. The way I see it nobody agrees with you and nobody disagrees with me? There for your wrong and don’t know shit!
They do not mix in 3 seconds like you claim, and yes I never swirled them, mixed with 1ml of water, and sit it down. I would come back up to a minute later and there would still be undissolved puck stuck to the bottom of the vial. Meditropes, and Greys from PD both did this. Some dissolved faster than others, but never instantly like you claim. They take far longer to dissolve than any kit of pharma GH. You ever mixed a kit of pharma GH? Clearly not.
It's you're as in you are, not your. Simple grammar. You have nothing to contribute of value as evidenced by this post.Wow, that’s a lot of wasted words. The way I see it nobody agrees with you and nobody disagrees with me? There for your wrong and don’t know shit!
Morefyah
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Yeah ok
I actually thought you were more intelligent going by posts you have made which are not shilling pharma and have given value to our board which I am having to rethink now. I will go step by step if you need everything explained to a simpleton:
I am a high GH serum testing individual, I provide the result and people take note, one of which I imagine is you because you are pointing out extremely high results which I believe I am the highest of. Then go on to bitch about how pharma doesn't get as high results where it is only I and a handful of others which provided that information WITHOUT giving results on pharma. How do you know I or any other wouldn't get as high or higher on it? Where is the logic in taking existing lab work and making the assumption it is higher than what pharma would be without having been done?
Then I go on to explain to you how your logic is void and that easily you would be able to find people who have done tests on a lot of brands, generic and pharma, and have had a similar result with both, disproving your point about Chinese mixing rhGH with plutonium.
I know the results people get per talking with plenty on the forums, reading reviews and blood work and ideally, analytical testing on the product. If you weren't ignorant you would have plenty of evidence both from the analytical and anecdotal point of view but instead you choose to remain biased and make everyone with a lil bit of sense your enemy
I’m guessing I’ve been around a little longer than you. I’m talking about blood work that people have done on pharma and generics and compared them. All the way back to the kigtropin, Riptropin days. I don’t need anything explained to a simpleton as you put it. Blood work from HRT clinic that a friend runs, himself, myself, and others taking pharma and generics comparing the two. Pharma being directly from pharmacy no so questions as to legitimacy of the product. Some of the scores led myself and others to question what could be causing the differences, when pharma was giving better results. That’s logical thinking. I will never believe that the generics are a higher quality product, that’s not the case. So what is it? I’ve talked to some very knowledgeable people on different boards and in person, and they believe something else is in the generics. I’ve used all the generics, some of them were pretty good. I won’t use them again as I don’t trust them to be consistent from even vial to vial in the same kit. I don’t know if you were around in the Kigtropin days or not, but if you were and ever talked to Kublai, who was part of that whole operation, he admitted that the Chinese have vials containing no GH, vials with 4iu, and vials with 10iu. He said they put 10 vials in a kit of a mixture of those vials to make more money. Is this true? I don’t know, it’s possible. As I get a bit older knowing exactly what I’m putting in my body is more important than ever. With pharma I get that. I won’t partake in calling anyone ignorant or the like here, if I came across as a shill, well I’m nothing of the sort, and I certainly don’t know everything or close to it about anything including GH.
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The mauves take about 3-4 minutes to dissolve once bac water is added. Not saying they’re not good. Just speaking on the time to dissolve. My serostim and the greys I used to get from PD when he had “The Grey Top Brand” dissolved instantly. Can’t speak on the new greys or the blacks as I have never used them. Currently running the mauves and without a igf test to prove anything I do feel they are working. Been staying lean and holding muscle even though I’ve been slacking with the the gym the last month.
I just did one this morning, less than 20 seconds, and that's being way conservative
