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[cajunpauper]

Invariably, this testing method or hypothesis wouldn't capture all possible causes of the coloration. It would, at a minimum, begin to rule out possible causes.

A more holistic method for testing varying hypothesis could be generated, but that's really not my forte.

 

[dinfar1337]

If we are not using heat, then the smoking point won't matter much.
Instead of smoking point maybe we should look at fat content.

Higher levels of unsaturated fat means higher rate of oxidation.
Mig840 > Mct > BB > BA > Avocado > EO

indeed, i thought in a application setting because you better believe these ugls are using heat.

to see if theres any significant difference

 

[Photon]

indeed, i thought in a application setting because you better believe these ugls are using heat. to see if theres any significant difference

They definitely are, see how dark Primal's Tren is that was shared lol

 

[dinfar1337]

Invariably, this testing method or hypothesis wouldn't capture all possible causes of the coloration. It would, at a minimum, begin to rule out possible causes.

A more holistic method for testing varying hypothesis could be generated, but that's really not my forte.

way too much money, way too much tren, way too much work and thinking.

we need a better way to attack this

 

[readalot]

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@MESO-Rx Administrator : it is tiresome trying to keep this cross forum dialogue going. Surely if you keep some of these sources around then you can bring back Scholar of Brew if his crime was stealth sourcing. Reinstate him as a Subscriber so we can hold him accountable. Thanks for considering.

 

[Photon]

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@MESO-Rx Administrator : it is tiresome trying to keep this cross forum dialogue going. Surely if you keep some of these sources around then you can bring back Scholar of Brew if his crime was stealth sourcing. Reinstate him as a Subscriber so we can hold him accountable. Thanks for considering.

Is there anything stopping him from coming back with a new account? Ive seen vendors create new accounts with subscriber statuses..

 

[dinfar1337]

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@MESO-Rx Administrator : it is tiresome trying to keep this cross forum dialogue going. Surely if you keep some of these sources around then you can bring back Scholar of Brew if his crime was stealth sourcing. Reinstate him as a Subscriber so we can hold him accountable. Thanks for considering.

for this cause surely we can get him back.

i dont care who hates him let him start a source account in here and we will tag him here to let him help with this.

and for his comment on tren



1st color to 3rd-4th is acceptable. it gottta be clear "See through". 1st is light yellow so it can get pretty god damn good.

although i think this is what clean tren looks like we have to test it

 

[readalot]

@Millard
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Scholar of Brew admits he made an alt account. Can we bring him back as "source" account if not member? I would like to pick his brain and it will benefit the community. We got alot of domestic vendors selling orange/brown tren esters. That is an issue. Let's do something about it and improve the standards.

Massive Contamination Breach Across Multiple Sources

this is interesting because i have 2 different batches of tren with much different colors. DNA tren is like a slightly dark piss yellow, another one was darker like amber/orange (different source) Same, DNA piss yellow Tren. First time running Tren A.

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Note S.O.B. makes some strong accusations about doxxing threats. Is there any truth to this happening on MESO (or was it another platform?) and what was done about it?

Massive Contamination Breach Across Multiple Sources

Not being a dick (actually I am) lol :ROFLMAO:

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[readalot]

for this cause surely we can get him back.

i dont care who hates him let him start a source account in here and we will tag him here to let him help with this.

and for his comment on tren

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1st color to 3rd-4th is acceptable. it gottta be clear "See through". 1st is light yellow so it can get pretty god damn good.

although i think this is what clean tren looks like we have to test it

Note the color here...

What is Easiest Way to Make a Finaplix Preparation? - MESO-Rx

Hi Bill, what's the simplest safe way to make a Finaplix preparation? A) To each 100 pellets -- nominally 2 g of trenbolone acetate -- add 38 mL of Wesson

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Great point. We need an absolute color reference.

 

[readalot]

Clarification...

Massive Contamination Breach Across Multiple Sources

Not being a dick (actually I am) lol :ROFLMAO:

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Sickening if true.

 

[dinfar1337]

Clarification...

Massive Contamination Breach Across Multiple Sources

Not being a dick (actually I am) lol :ROFLMAO:

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Sickening if true.

well, i spoke with him a little on telegram nothing special. but when he leaks so much stuff while talking with ppl im sure many people could have done this. if they dont come forward he'll probably never know.

in one 30min chat this motherfucker leaked his address, his name, his phone number. and accidentally send me a picture of his girlfriend on facetime.

although i would never leak that since we were talking about filtering or something. and didnt bother to save it i could easily have malicious intents

 

[Photon]

well, i spoke with him a little on telegram nothing special. but when he leaks so much stuff while talking with ppl im sure many people could have done this. if they dont come forward he'll probably never know.

in one 30min chat this motherfucker leaked his address, his name, his phone number. and accidentally send me a picture of his girlfriend on facetime.

although i would never leak that since we were talking about filtering or something

Dude has photos of his fingers showing fingerprints over this board.
Buying anything from him is asking for trouble.

 

[readalot]

well, i spoke with him a little on telegram nothing special. but when he leaks so much stuff while talking with ppl im sure many people could have done this. if they dont come forward he'll probably never know.

in one 30min chat this motherfucker leaked his address, his name, his phone number. and accidentally send me a picture of his girlfriend on facetime.

although i would never leak that since we were talking about filtering or something. and didnt bother to save it i could easily have malicious intents

Wow. Had no idea. WTH?

 

[Walter Hype]

for this cause surely we can get him back.

i dont care who hates him let him start a source account in here and we will tag him here to let him help with this.

and for his comment on tren

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1st color to 3rd-4th is acceptable. it gottta be clear "See through". 1st is light yellow so it can get pretty god damn good.

although i think this is what clean tren looks like we have to test it

Your analysis and spectrum is spot on the first color. It would indeed be the ideal color. But as you can see, it's still light canary.


The issue with achieving the first one is you would have to have these raws and or oil produced in an oxygen-free environment.

As soon as Tren is exposed to oxygen, oxidation happens. How fast depends on another few factors including heat, moisture in the air, how much light, what type of light

The best way to store oil for tren would be in an amber vial.

This would be very, very, very, very similar to all trans-retinoic acid.

AKA Tretinoin which is also extremely sensitive to oxygen and light and darkens depending on the exposure.

But the second one is actually achievable.

I've achieved this one myself.

This is tren ace in mct oil.

 

[Walter Hype]

** Starting a thread after there was some interest from initial post, and we have been kicking this idea around for a bit. **

What do you say we all start a special projects MESO fund for testing? Idea is to push the envelope beyond standard tests done today to help answer outstanding questions like bioactivity of UG GH.

For any GH "special" testing, I pitch we do it as a group to help build community here at MESO. I will commit $500 (and some product as part of the testing if we do head to head comparisons). Thoughts?

My concern at this point is Jano's bandwidth and people sending in product separately (pharma vs "generic"). Hence, logistically it may make sense for one person to send samples. Anyway, I'll support whatever the team thinks has best chance for credibility and success.

We also probably need trusted members to be trustees for the fund. Perhaps quorum (2 out of 3 trustees) decision to approve funds for a test? People can also pitch ideas to the decision team, etc.

Thanks for checking this out and look forward to what we come up with.

Sign me up for any testing that you guys do in the future. I always want to contribute because I love seeing stuff like this come to life.!!

 

[Photon]

This looks like the best setup?
- Amber media bottle filled, closed tightly with minimal oxygen (brew in this)
- Cold oil, higher amount of solvents to dissolve
- Zero heat
- Oil with close to zero unsaturated fat
- Of course high purity raws

You can mix with a magnetic stirrer in the bottle itself.

 

[Walter Hype]

This looks like the best setup?
- Amber media bottle filled, closed tightly with minimal oxygen (brew in this)
- Cold oil, higher amount of solvents to dissolve
- Zero heat
- Oil with close to zero unsaturated fat
- Of course high purity raws

You can mix with a magnetic stirrer.

Yep, high purity raws should be the top of the list.
Your color's only gonna be good as the RAW's going in

Like I said on the other form shit in shit out

 

[readalot]

Your analysis and spectrum is spot on the first color. It would indeed be the ideal color. But as you can see, it's still light canary.


The issue with achieving the first one is you would have to have these raws and or oil produced in an oxygen-free environment.

As soon as Tren is exposed to oxygen, oxidation happens. How fast depends on another few factors including heat, moisture in the air, how much light, what type of light

The best way to store oil for tren would be in an amber vial.

This would be very, very, very, very similar to all trans-retinoic acid.

AKA Tretinoin which is also extremely sensitive to oxygen and light and darkens depending on the exposure.

But the second one is actually achievable.

I've achieved this one myself.

This is tren ace in mct oil.
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Well that was quick. Thanks @MESO-Rx Administrator!

 

[Walter Hype]

Here's how I think we should conduct the testing at least in regards to Tren

We should have a bad sample. One that darker than ideal. GSMS test it. Then we should also acquire samples that look closer to ideal. GSMS test that too

These samples should contain the exact same oil, ideally. Preferably from the same brand. Same manufacturer. We have to rule out all the other variables.

Finally, as the ultimate test,

Take a sample of tested tren ace raws. Assuming the purity is non-ideal, run it through one pass of recrystallization using dehydrated lab-grade acetone. You will cold crash this very, very, very, very slowly. I'm talking this will take a process of maybe two days. The slower the better ( we want dramatic differences so this matter) recover the crystals. Vaccume chamber them to extract any lingering solvents

Store it in a amber vial and send it to Jano. Perform a nitrogen flush inside that vial. That way during transit we have no possible way of oxygen or light degrading it in transit to Jano on an airplane.

This will show the differences we are talking about with data.

Actually, if we really want to be anal about it, we should use analytical grade acetone, which is prohibitively expensive, but if we're wanting the best data possible, perhaps that would be the path forward.

 

[readalot]

Here's how I think we should conduct the testing at least in regards to Tren

We should have a bad sample. One that darker than ideal. GSMS test it. Then we should also acquire samples that look closer to ideal. GSMS test that too

GCMS. You are referring to oil formulation here. I like this idea. Will give us qualitative view of impurities. Any degradation products of the tren will have similar ionization but different m/z profiles. If there are any significant amounts, we will see them.

These samples should contain the exact same oil, ideally. Preferably from the same brand. Same manufacturer. We have to rule out all the other variables.

Yes, just a color screen. One very light color. The other brown or whatever.

Finally, as the ultimate test,

Take a sample of tested tren ace raws. Assuming the purity is non-ideal, run it through one pass of recrystallization using dehydrated lab-grade acetone. You will cold crash this very, very, very, very slowly. I'm talking this will take a process of maybe two days. The slower the better ( we want dramatic differences so this matter) recover the crystals. Vaccume chamber them to extract any lingering solvents

Store it in a amber vial and send it to Jano. Perform a nitrogen flush inside that vial. That way during transit we have no possible way of oxygen or light degrading it in transit to Jano on an airplane.

This will show the differences we are talking about with data.

Before and after cleanup on raw. Nice. HPLC and GCMS on those two raw samples?