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[readalot]

Hypothesis: darker color tren has more degradation/oxidation by-products that should not be there.

Goal: Decouple the effects of tren API from its cooked byproducts. Will it help? What will it help?

 

[readalot]

Arail Tren Ace also available for the project:

Post in thread 'Arail Pharmaceuticals - US Domestic'

Aug 12, 2025

We can pay for them.

@Arail any low color tren esters available?

Our tren a is low in color. Post #456 is tren a.

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[readalot]

very helpful exchange with @Arail

Post in thread 'Arail Pharmaceuticals - US Domestic'

Aug 12, 2025

And well done BTW. Can you take the color even lower or that's as good as raws will allow?

I think that's about as low as you're gonna be able to get it. The raws were a very pale yellow and we usually don't go over 50-55 degrees c when brewing tren a. I have observed no color change from room temperature up to that point.

Early on somewhere around a decade ago when steps in the process weren't as precise I did notice that higher temps or longer brews resulted in darker coloration.

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[Ateam2023]

very helpful exchange with @Arail

Post in thread 'Arail Pharmaceuticals - US Domestic'

Aug 12, 2025

And well done BTW. Can you take the color even lower or that's as good as raws will allow?

I think that's about as low as you're gonna be able to get it. The raws were a very pale yellow and we usually don't go over 50-55 degrees c when brewing tren a. I have observed no color change from room temperature up to that point.

Early on somewhere around a decade ago when steps in the process weren't as precise I did notice that higher temps or longer brews resulted in darker coloration.

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Seeing all this "lighter colored" trens , i can't believe the junk i had, ughh now wonder it made me crazy , but this definitely an eye opener for sure, Thanks @readalot for a worthy crusade, , im to old to be fn with Tren anyways, unnecessary for my goals", but ,, -

 

[readalot]

but

Maybe we will perfect a tren suitable for the more mature crowd. Haha.

 

[Photon]

Check this out

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Post in thread 'Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic'

Aug 12, 2025

Received my 10 pack of honeysuckel Tren-H now to dig through testing for the light pink tops.

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[dinfar1337]

Check this out

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Post in thread 'Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic'

Aug 12, 2025

Received my 10 pack of honeysuckel Tren-H now to dig through testing for the light pink tops.

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that isnt tren thats masteron

 

[Photon]

that isnt tren thats masteron

I actually thought it was Test

 

[readalot]

that isnt tren thats masteron

Post in thread 'Qingdao Sigma Chemical Co., Ltd (International, US, EU, Canada and Australia domestic'

Aug 12, 2025

Received my 10 pack of honeysuckel Tren-H now to dig through testing for the light pink tops. View attachment 340690

Hey @readalot check out this mast-colored "tren"
LMAO

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[Photon]

Seeing all this "lighter colored" trens , i can't believe the junk i had, ughh now wonder it made me crazy , but this definitely an eye opener for sure, Thanks @readalot for a worthy crusade, , im to old to be fn with Tren anyways, unnecessary for my goals", but ,, -

Im actually hoping the lighter Tren has lesser sides..specifically the cardio sides..I can handle everything except the impact on cardio.

Many say Hex has lesser sides, but ester aside, im wondering if it's cause the melting point is so much higher, therefore i reckon it doesn't oxidise or degrade that quickly under heat.

 

[readalot]

Im actually hoping the lighter Tren has lesser sides..specifically the cardio sides..I can handle everything except the impact on cardio.

Many say Hex has lesser sides, but ester aside, im wondering if it's cause the melting point is so much higher, therefore i reckon it doesn't oxidise or degrade that quickly under heat.

The functional groups on the tren steroid rings are still exposed and susceptible to degradation no matter the ester. You argue the fatty carboxylic acid attached to the base tren makes a difference?

 

[Photon]

The functional groups on the tren steroid rings are still exposed and susceptible to degradation no matter the ester. You argue the fatty carboxylic acid attached to the base tren makes a difference?

I thinking it may oxidise less quickly, because the melting point is much higher.

 

[readalot]

Okay, can we get a head count and interest in tren project? If we get as much as the GH project we should be in good shape.

If you want to contribute react to this post.

Like: sure I will contribute under 50 bucks

Love: yes, over 50 bucks

Dislike: no contribution

Funny: you are dickhead readalot

Wow: yes, over 100 bucks

Thank you. Sorry you can't do multiple reactions.

 

[dinfar1337]

The functional groups on the tren steroid rings are still exposed and susceptible to degradation no matter the ester. You argue the fatty carboxylic acid attached to the base tren makes a difference?

being a longer ester is actually worse.

stability = more tissue contamination.

both muscle and lung, heart, brain etc.

you're most likely ending up with worse side effects from longer esters in the long term(related to heath & cardio). you might just not feel it instantly(tren cough).

although that also comes with better muscle growth long term

 

[readalot]

being a longer ester is actually worse.

stability = more tissue contamination.

both muscle and lung, heart, brain etc.

you're most likely ending up with worse side effects from longer esters in the long term(related to heath & cardio). you might just not feel it instantly(tren cough).

although that also comes with better muscle growth long term

Okay so you have a PK argument there. I was only considering acetate so I can bail fast if need be.

 

[Photon]

Okay so you have a PK argument there. I was only considering acetate so I can bail fast if need be.

You could do base in castor oil..tren base raws are available LOL.
but nobody wants to pin daily

i reckon you can hold 70-80mg/ml with the same formula as nebido.

 

[Photon]

I dropped an email to matrix
I sent these pictures

His reply

 

[readalot]

but nobody wants to pin daily

Thats one thing Todd Lee does a good job on. I got no problems pinning daily on my girly "blasts". No offense to the fairer sex.

Thanks.

 

[readalot]

Post in thread 'Shree Venkatesh Trebol 100 - HPLC/TAMC/TYMC - 2017-09 - SIMEC via AnabolicLab.com'

Nov 5, 2017

I wonder... They probably already try to compenste for impure raws, but let's leave that out for now. Let's say the lab assumes the raws are nearly 100% pure.

So what is this substance that makes up 34% and more of the raw powder? That's a substantial amount of additional unknown crap being injected.

Tren A degrades swiftly under heat.

It can easily be seen and determined from chromatograms, which, however SIMEC had ceased to provide even for their paying customers, it seems.


This is nice and not degraded sample:


If the raws were degraded from exposure to air and...

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[readalot]

Post in thread 'Standford's Primo 200 mg/ml - Analysis Preformed Performed by Analiza Białek, Chromate & Jano'

Jan 19, 2024

@Stanfordpharma1

Heat (and other stuff) degrades trenbolones, which results into lower mg/ml. I also see other indicators or degradation, but generally don't list them on the report.

The 'darker' the tren is the more degraded it is, so the lower mg/ml.

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