MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund

[readalot]

I thought everyone had that poor guy on Ignore by now.

The right thing to do IMO is bring the info to the thread so donors are aware. I am trying to provide full transparency so further projects aren't derailed by this BS. We have a chance to build real momentum here.

Seems extremely unethical for someone to try and sabotage all this work throwing baseless accusations. Nevertheless, the info was shared for the donors.

 

[Psy-chonaut]

These are serious claims by @phenominal34. My commitment stands to refund anyone who thinks they were duped or manipulated.

Thanks.

cc'ing @Sampei since he was trustee and all the BTC is accounted for.

I don't want any doubt over the way this project was handled.

Hey, never any doubt from me - > towards you @readalot or @Sampei as 'fund control assistent' or something..

So take a deep breath - And just exhale All the sh!T... And don't waste your energy on it...

I am just Happy to be a part of this little adventure.... Don't care what the outcome turns out to be, in the end - if that helps a bit...

Nice day to you'all

 

[readalot]

Hey, never any doubt from me - > towards you @readalot or @Sampei as 'fund control assistent' or something..

So take a deep breath - And just exhale All the sh!T... And don't waste your energy on it...

I am just Happy to be a part of this little adventure.... Don't care what the outcome turns out to be, in the end - if that helps a bit...

Nice day to you'all

Thanks for taking the time to share that. You too.

 

[readalot]

Short Summary of Tren Color Project:

Well in full disclosure we could not find any smoking gun in the light vs darker tren for the experiments we did. So starting with a very high purity raw disproved the hypothesis there was a TRA degradation product imparting the color. It is was just HPLC there may have been some lingering doubt, but GCMS was clean as well within detection limits.

Whatever is imparting the color couldn't be picked up by current GCMS setup.

I appreciate Jano sharing his comments that these samples were different than other samples he has tested.

This project started with a low color control which was a study strength. As shown above there are other TRA raws that give darker color under less heat. Future work could address color in the starting raw.

 

[AlexDavis43]

The right thing to do IMO is bring the info to the thread so donors are aware. I am trying to provide full transparency so further projects aren't derailed by this BS. We have a chance to build real momentum here.

Seems extremely unethical for someone to try and sabotage all this work throwing baseless accusations. Nevertheless, the info was shared for the donors.

To my knowledge, no one accused you of skimming from the donations to line your pockets directly. Kudos.

The "for your personal gain" comment would be like if I wanted to use a compound but had questions about it's safety, wanted more comprehensive testing, but didn't want to pay for the tests myself

Then craft some elaborate story (for example, "toxic metabolites in tren related to the color") and convince Meso members that this project is about Harm Reduction, and they will be viewed as "thoughtful and open-minded" and not knuckle draggers for donating to this noble cause

When I suggested this round of testing was a fishing expedition and not a giant leap for Harm Reduction, instead of agreeing, you got pissed

Tbh, convincing people to fund your project to give you peace of mind to run tren is far from the worst thing someone could do; just explaining how the "for your personal gain" comment doesn't mean you were stealing people's money

 

[readalot]

To my knowledge, no one accused you of skimming from the donations to line your pockets directly. Kudos.

So indirectly then?

The "for your personal gain" comment would be like if I wanted to use a compound but had questions about it's safety, wanted more comprehensive testing, but didn't want to pay for the tests myself

Who gets the data once it is made available?

Then craft some elaborate story (for example, "toxic metabolites in tren related to the color") and convince Meso members that this project is about Harm Reduction, and they will be viewed as "thoughtful and open-minded" and not knuckle draggers for donating to this noble cause

In your opinion it was an elaborate story?

When I suggested this round of testing was a fishing expedition and not a giant leap for Harm Reduction, instead of agreeing, you got pissed

You asked who was going to pay for it. I offered my answer.

Tbh, convincing people to fund your project to give you peace of mind to run tren is far from the worst thing someone could do; just explaining how the "for your personal gain" comment doesn't mean you were stealing people's money

It is a shared project where the data goes to everyone. Including those who paid nothing.

My records indicate I spent $250 myself and my time trying to kick off a group testing fund after discussion with Spaceman Spiff. The testing got done.

If you are unsatisfied or feel deceived, how much money can I return to you? I will refund your donation plus 10%

 

[Sampei]

Guys come on, not this shit again. Just leave each other alone. FFS

 

[readalot]

Guys come on, not this shit again. Just leave each other alone. FFS

What would you call this shit? What is it? Where does it come from?

And folks wonder why it is so difficult to have organized group testing here.

 

[readalot]

While I am waiting on a response, here's some fun facts. I am sitting on a number of tren vials. None of them were tested in this project.

I spent 250 USD plus ate about 30 USD on exchange fees.

It would cost me 240 USD to test one of my vials by HPLC plus GCMS plus the shipping.

So none of these project results are for my personal gain since the data doesn't address whether there is anything in my vials.

Amazing logic.

 

[Sampei]

What would you call this shit? What is it? Where does it come from?

And folks wonder why it is so difficult to have organized group testing here.

I mean it's not worth your time to keep wasting it on responding to these low jabs and accusations.

No one here believes you have done anything for personal gain, unless curiosity is now a personal gain.

It has been a hole in the water? Well though shit we wouldn't have known that until we tried it.

That's how we discover things and just because it hasn't given us the answer we thought we would get, it doesn't mean it was useless. Quite the contrary, looks like we know now that MAYBE TREN doesn't degrade even if heated a lot etc.

I mean this is how science work right? You go and try to find answers and most of the time one just get more questions and no much answer to even the previous questions until maybe one day you discover something.

No one regret the money donated and so Who give a flying fuck of what few individuals think? Or if they like to make jokes of who donated. Let them. It's just empty words written on a screen.

BE BETTER!

 

[Tdeck81]

@AlexDavis43

Thank you for taking the time to explain to us mongoloids that contributed to the fund how we were duped. I’m glad you were able to cobble together a list of reasons why we should feel slighted but we’re too dim witted to notice.

Lord forbid someone takes up a cause they have a personal or vested interest in studying. I’m sure most philanthropists just random pluck causes out of the thin air to donate time, energy, money, resources, etc

By that logic, no one reading these threads, or members of these sites, should contribute to the testing of any of these products. We all have a selfish, self serving motivation to some degree.

Ultimately, it seems like you are solely trying to impugn @readalot ’s integrity. But I personally remember a handful of times he mentioned being on the fence whether he would try tren at some point. I don’t think that was the big conspiratorial secret you think it was.

If you guys have a personal beef, which seems highly likely, perhaps refrain from letting it leach into topics that benefit the community as a whole. Who knows what potential good can come from joint ventures like this. That is all.

 

[Tdeck81]

If you guys have a personal beef

Send each other salty memes and gifs like real men

 

[Primal_Pharma]

So indirectly then?


Who gets the data once it is made available?


In your opinion it was an elaborate story?


You asked who was going to pay for it. I offered my answer.



It is a shared project where the data goes to everyone. Including those who paid nothing.

My records indicate I spent $250 myself and my time trying to kick off a group testing fund after discussion with Spaceman Spiff. The testing got done.

If you are unsatisfied or feel deceived, how much money can I return to you? I will refund your donation plus 10%

We will also refund any money plus 10% as well. @readalot actually give a shit. What he is doing for this community should not go unnoticed.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Send each other salty memes and gifs like real men

I certainly don't think anyone got duped; I would've stated very clearly why I thought so if I had

I said this was a fishing expedition because that's exactly what it was... some people took that as a negative thing (?) but it has a specific meaning and happens all the time

 

[readalot]

I certainly don't think anyone got duped; I would've stated very clearly why I thought so if I had

I said this was a fishing expedition because that's exactly what it was... some people took that as a negative thing (?) but it has a specific meaning and happens all the time

https://methods.sagepub.com/ency/edvol/the-sage-encyclopedia-of-social-science-research-methods/chpt/fishing-expedition#_=_

Fishing expedition describes a situation in which the researcher has no particular aims for the research at hand. Generally, the term may refer (often in a negative way) to situations where researchers do not form hypotheses based on prior research but simply search for results to discuss as if on a “fishing expedition.” More specifically, it may also describes situations in which statistical data are crunched without any particular guiding hypotheses in the hope of finding statistically significant relationships because, if one uses the .05 level of significance, there isa1in20 chance that a significant result will be found.

Fishing expedition - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

A fishing expedition is an informal, pejorative term for a non-specific search for information, especially incriminating information. It is most frequently organized by policing authorities.

There was a clear hypothesis posed from the start and you know very well what the term fishing expedition means to people skilled in the art. Who is trying to dupe people here?

You have a PhD in a scientific field but don't know what the term "fishing expedition" means?

Make this make sense. I'll wait.

 

[sionnach]

https://methods.sagepub.com/ency/edvol/the-sage-encyclopedia-of-social-science-research-methods/chpt/fishing-expedition#_=_

Fishing expedition - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

There was a clear hypothesis posed from the start and you know very well what the term fishing expedition means to people skilled in the art. Who is trying to dupe people here?

You have a PhD in a scientific field but don't know what the term "fishing expedition" means?

Make this make sense. I'll wait.

I challenge you to make your ignore list as big as mine.

 

[readalot]

One more time...

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Post in thread 'MESO "Specialized" Testing Group Fund'

Sep 7, 2025

Short Summary of Tren Color Project:

Well in full disclosure we could not find any smoking gun in the light vs darker tren for the experiments we did. So starting with a very high purity raw disproved the hypothesis there was a TRA degradation product imparting the color. It is was just HPLC there may have been some lingering doubt, but GCMS was clean as well within detection limits.

Whatever is imparting the color couldn't be picked up by current GCMS setup.

I appreciate Jano sharing his comments that these samples were different than other samples he has tested.

This...

• readalot

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"Well in full disclosure we could not find any smoking gun in the light vs darker tren for the experiments we did. So starting with a very high purity raw disproved the hypothesis there was a TRA degradation product imparting the color. It is was just HPLC there may have been some lingering doubt, but GCMS was clean as well."

Null hypothesis was rejected. Only fuckery explains your actions @AlexDavis43. Or come and plead ignorance?

 

[readalot]

I challenge you to make your ignore list as big as mine.

Literally wasting my time. Unreal. Really.

 

[Psy-chonaut]

I challenge you to make your ignore list as big as mine.

Ok Cowboy, Challenge accepted => Let me see your *ignore list*

 

[Tdeck81]

damn well what the term fishing expedition means to people skilled in the art

This is the second time a refuted post by @AlexDavis43 has turned into a semantics discussion. At this point, I believe there is no real argument to be found here but purely someone who enjoys trolling. Which I fully respect and enjoy, but perhaps find a more suitable thread.