SmallTitsIRL
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Finally some cunt in this forum using his neurons. Good job mate! You're at least 2 steps ahead of at least 50% of the forum.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Minimum effective dose of EQ?
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adrenalytic
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I respect your choice to use AIs over other drugs but your arguments on human testing is a bit misleading and your hammer analogy is pretty weak as well.
The testing done with AIs in humans is largely done on women. The limited studies on men show that AI use in men is almost always off-label and sometimes even detrimental.
So to say it's better because it was tested in humans isn't valid for our purposes as enhanced lifters. I'll stick to what works for me.
Conclusion:
With the better understanding of the T/E2 ratio in adult males, the lack of scientific data to show that bone health is adversely affected by AI usage in adult males, the positive effects of AIs on the treatment of conditions like late-onset hypogonadism and male subfertility encourages conducting large-scale, multicenter, randomized controlled trials for the clinical use of AIs in adult males.
Jojoejoe
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honestly man 150mg of eq is basically like using a squirt gun to put out a bonfire lol. the main issue is that eq is such a long ester that it takes forever to even reach peak levels in your blood so at that low of a dose you might not feel anything until the cycle is almost over. i get the logic of using it to manage estrogen but eq can be super sneaky and crash your e2 out of nowhere if you arent careful. if you really want that dry look and the insane vascularity most guys dont even bother starting under 400 or 500mg but definitely keep an eye on your blood pressure because eq can turn your blood into maple syrup if you let it go too high!
deuces_00
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Like I said in my post previous to my reply to yours, the adverse effects are identical to the effects of low e2. There is practically no negative effects from adex/asin unless they are over done.
Of course using a 2nd anabolic like eq to control e2 will aid in anabolism better than an AI. But that's not the purpose of an AI lol.
Again, in my post previous to my reply to yours I said 'use an AI to control e2 if you dont need more mgs'. If you are someone who does need more mgs then yes a 2nd anabolic such as EQ makes sense. So you are right when you say...
But our disagreement stems from you not understanding where Im coming from. Use an AI to control e2 when you dont need to increase doses. Use an anabolic such as eq/primo if you need to both control e2 and increase mgs.
did you just go to chatGPT and ask for a study on AI use in males, then ctrl+v, ctrl+c the conclusion? cause this supports what i was saying - that AIs like adex/asin are A+ drugs lol.
Did you read the linked study yourself? Or even the conclusion?
Larrybagins
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the problem with low dose eq is that it acts like a ghost in your system for the first month and you wont even realize it's there until you're halfway through the vial. the whole "anabolism equivalent" math looks good on paper but eq just doesnt hit the same way test does in the real world and you really need that higher saturation to see the actual benefits like the endurance and the insane appetite. plus if you use it to manage estrogen at 150mg you might find it's barely doing anything or it could totally surprise you and crash your levels because eq is weirdly individualistic like that. i'd honestly say just bump it up a bit or you're gonna be waiting forever for results that never show up!
I am not saying it's going to be crazy effective, just that I have found that to be the minimum for the growth side of things
adrenalytic
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Lower IGF-1, decreased joint lubrication and collagen sysnthesis, lower bone mineral density, lower HDL (already fucked on cycle so lets toss some gas on for shits, right?)
There's other things but you get the point. It's not harmless.
If you plan your cycles properly you won't need an AI. If you're just blasting compounds to blast then sure, you're gonna have emergencies.
Example: Run a gram of test with AI or run 750 mg test and 250 primo? this obviously varies from person to person but I'll go with option 2.
Reasons you might run an AI:
1. You don't handle non-aromatizing compounds well (valid)
2. You don't know your body well enough to know how you'll react to certain aromatizing compounds (only valid if you're a novice to the drug in question)
3. Someone told you to do it and you never questioned it. (never valid)
4. Emergency titty flare up or other shitty side. (valid, shit happens sometimes)
5. Your E2 came back 3+ times out of the reference range but you have no symptoms (debatable).
Outside of that, you simply shouldn't need an AI. Lower your aromatizing compound(s) and add something that doesn't.
See above. I understood it before. Cycle design matters.
AIs are medical tools to suppress estrogen. EQ is an anabolic steroid that incidentally moderates estrogen while actively building tissue. One suppresses a hormone. The other builds muscle. They are not comparable.
Outside of the valid reasons I already mentioned, I don't know why anyone would choose to deploy an AI prophylactically. Reactionary, sure.
why does everyone say this? it's like saying I shouldn't use google to find information. It doesn't bolster your argument and doesn't negate mine. It's an exercise in mirror masturbation. Should I go to the library and get back to you next time?
yes, I used chatGPT to find the study I know I had read before. So what? And I copy/pasted the conclusion for your convenience but I guess it's true, no good deed goes unpunished.
Anyway, the conclusion does nothing to defend your position. It says there is promise but not enough studies have been conducted on men to swing one way or the other. Your initial statement said:
This is patently false in the context of men in bodybuilding. We are not post-menopausal women dealing with hormone fluctuations. We simply don't know enough which puts it on the level of using EQ to control E2.
There is an interesting discussion happening here regarding E2 management if you'd like to chime in and engage in civil discourse without the mud slinging.
Hope to see you there.
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IndividualMan
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EQ was approved and used in humans in the 60s&70ss, Brand name parenabol
also: more mg = more gains, especially if we are talking about people using less then a gram.
but i get the argument of AIs being quicker to dose, less individualistic in their effects and all that. probably better to use low dose AIs in the case you are presenting
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