"Morning wood" equals healthy testosterone levels?

[Andrew Androgen]

It's been posted here and elsewhere that consistent "morning wood" is a sign that testosterone levels and estrogen levels are in a healthy range. I don't believe this to be the case. I've been found to have low normal test levels on 6 blood tests, yet every morning I wake up with the hardest of hard "morning wood". This has always been the case for as long as I can remember. Even before puberty, I would wake up with very hard "morning wood".
Comments?

 

[chap]

not sure on the original hypothesis...

but just thought it was interesting that you seem to be saying that testing in the "low normal" rangs is not healthy..... in reality you might possibly have the absolute ideal test levels for optimal heatlh

 

[zumper]

It's been posted here and elsewhere that consistent "morning wood" is a sign that testosterone levels and estrogen levels are in a healthy range. I don't believe this to be the case. I've been found to have low normal test levels on 6 blood tests, yet every morning I wake up with the hardest of hard "morning wood". This has always been the case for as long as I can remember. Even before puberty, I would wake up with very hard "morning wood".
Comments?

I toaly agree with, that was happening to me too.
But for sure T plays a role.

 

[Megazoid]

Andrew, i can relate to what you are saying here. Infact this morning i woke up with one! The strange thing is all my T must be going to just my dick, because the rest of my body feel's like a bag of shit

 

[MacDonnell]

Andrew,

If you're not having symptoms of low T (which can include poor or no morning wood), but you're only in the low normal range, this shouldn't matter. If you're healthy (i.e., you have energy, you sleep well, you're mentally alert, you have a healthly libido and can get/maintain erections, you can develop normal musculature, your bone density is okay, etc.), it really shouldn't matter that your T levels are low normal - Maybe you're one of those cases where your optimal level is "low normal." If, on the other hand, you're having symptoms, you might want to ask your doc if there are other options (like TRT or HCG) you can try, to get your levels up a bit. Good luck, buddy!

Mac

P.S. - When I was in my late teens/early twenties, I was in a similar situation. My T was about 550 (low normal for a guy of that age), but I wasn't showing ALL the signs of low T (I had a great libido, morning wood, erections, blah, blah, blah...BUT I was VERY skinny, tired, couldn't develop musculature all that well, etc.) My doc. decided to do nothing. I guess I'll never know if that was a good or bad decision.

 

[JustOne]

I am starting to think too that optimum testosterone levels are much diffrent for everyone.

Your E2 and Total T just might be in good ratio.

 

[pmgamer18]

I am starting to think too that optimum testosterone levels are much diffrent for everyone.

Your E2 and Total T just might be in good ratio.

That is it it's all about ratio as long as your healthy and have a good T to E2 ratio you will have good wood. Now this ratio can be lower T to E2 or higher T to E2. When I first to sick I was in my 40's my Total T was 120 I had dam good wood and not libio but could have sex.

 

[Andrew Androgen]

I do have some symptoms of low T such as low libido & muscle/joint aches and pains. Even though I always wake up with strong morning wood, I'm almost never horny in the morning and rarely at other times in the day. Strangely, I have a very good muscle to fat ratio. I have no problem at all putting on muscle and my body fat is extremely low. I've had my testosterone levels tested on 6 occasions and the highest it's ever been is 400. The lowest was 200 and something. My E2 is at the bottom of the normal range and so is my DHT. My body temp is consistently very low, so I'm sure I'm hypothyroid. Just waiting on the results of my free T3 & T4. My doc said he's surprised that I can maintain such good muscle mass with the test levels of a much older person.

 

[MacDonnell]

This is an interesting case. You said your libido is low, but you didn't say anything about getting/maintaining erections. If and when you want to have sex, can you perform or do you need Cialis/Levitra/Viagra? What I mean to say is, when an opportunity presents for sex, do you THEN become interested, do you get a good erection, can you sustain it for a good long time, etc.? If this is the case, maybe there are other factors contributing to your low libido. Maybe stress? Are you getting enough rest? Are you working out too hard? What about your diet?

 

[Andrew Androgen]

This is an interesting case. You said your libido is low, but you didn't say anything about getting/maintaining erections. If and when you want to have sex, can you perform or do you need Cialis/Levitra/Viagra? What I mean to say is, when an opportunity presents for sex, do you THEN become interested, do you get a good erection, can you sustain it for a good long time, etc.? If this is the case, maybe there are other factors contributing to your low libido. Maybe stress? Are you getting enough rest? Are you working out too hard? What about your diet?

No, I have difficulty getting and maintaining an erection and the libido is just not there. The only time I have strong erections is when I wake up in the morning. I'm not under a great deal of stress at all.

 

[pmgamer18]

No, I have difficulty getting and maintaining an erection and the libido is just not there. The only time I have strong erections is when I wake up in the morning. I'm not under a great deal of stress at all.

Hear is all I do I take enough T to get my levels up into the upper 1/3 of any labs range for both Total and Free T then when I am leveled off and stable at this I test E2 and if it is over 30 I use Indolplex/DIM or Arimidex to bring it down I keep it between 10 to 30 best at 20. The trick is to get the E2 in the zone I start with one tablet at dinner time and when I wake up with wood so hard it hurts I know I am in the zone. I keep taking what I am using to keep E2 down until this stops when this happens I stop what I was taking until wood comes back then I go back on it but cut the dose in half. I use my wood as a gauge to not go to low and my blood work to not go to high. It's that simple.
http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html
I told an 83 yr. old man on TRT for over 20 yrs stil wanting to have sex with his wife he tryed this and it worked for him so get with it.

 

[m_ob]

Relationship between sleep-related erections and testosterone levels in men
A. R. Granata, V. Rochira, A. Lerchl, P. Marrama and C. Carani
Department of Internal Medicine, University of Modena, Italy.

In order to identify a possible threshold for a serum testosterone level below which sleep-related erections are impaired and to compare this threshold with the normal laboratory range of testosterone serum levels, we studied 201 men, including hypogonadal and eugonadal subjects. The protocol included nocturnal penile tumescence and rigidity monitoring and the assay of basal testosterone, prolactin, luteinizing hormone (LH), and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) serum levels. The subjects were assigned to eight groups according to their testosterone serum levels. Group 1 had testosterone between 0 ng/dl and 99 ng/dl; the following seven groups had testosterone levels increased by 100 ng/dl per group. The groups of subjects with higher testosterone serum levels showed almost constantly higher values for the erectile parameters we studied than the subjects with serum testosterone < or = 99 ng/dl. On the contrary, subjects with higher testosterone serum levels showed higher values for only some erectile parameters compared to the subjects with serum testosterone between 100 and 199 ng/dl, without any significant difference among the groups with testosterone serum levels in the normal range. Our data suggest that the serum testosterone threshold for sleep-related erections is lower than the low end of the normal laboratory male range and is about 200 ng/dl. Further efforts are needed to find the precise serum testosterone ranges related to normal sleep-related erections and to normal sexual behavior, the testosterone ranges of which will probably not coincide.