Murky tren....

[Wunderpus]

All,

I brewed up 50ml's of tren ace and it's murky/muddy... Same brew process as always, however the raws had more of an "iron oxide" like color than they did before... So, the final product has sediment that settles to the bottom of the vial, and seperates from the oil. Doesn't look like moisture, as I've had that before. WTF could've gone wrong? I did 18% BB, 2% BA with MCT... I've used these raws before, about 6 months ago (they were lighter), with no issue. Any way to save this?

 

[ickyrica]

A lot of tren issues as of recent.

@Thegreek @XmadXscientist @penche

You all ever see this? I haven't

 

[ickyrica]

Wunder, any heat used?

 

[Wunderpus]

Wunder, any heat used?

No sir...

 

[ickyrica]

No sir...

I might try a low heat on it. Seems like the raw oxidized like you stated but the compound settles on the bottom. That kind of makes me think it never really fully broke down. Was it clear oil but just darker when you filtered?

 

[Wunderpus]

I might try a low heat on it. Seems like the raw oxidized like you stated but the compound settles on the bottom. That kind of makes me think it never really fully broke down. Was it clear oil but just darker when you filtered?

Clear... Which is what's weird. It was a clear orange/rust color but it wasn't murky.... You'd think by now it would've dissolved as it was 18% BB and only 100mg's/mL

 

[ickyrica]

I'd vote for a little heat w a needle to exhaust pressure. More opinions and ideas to come shortly I'm betting

 

[Heavy Iron]

Another cloudy tren thread

@Thegreek has a possible solution.

Which is adding a little Tren E to it.

 

[penche]

I might try a low heat on it. Seems like the raw oxidized like you stated but the compound settles on the bottom. That kind of makes me think it never really fully broke down. Was it clear oil but just darker when you filtered?

Man I’m starting to see this a lot more. I agree with a little heat like my boy said. WP after that your gonna have to let it settle for a good while and let that cloud settle. Scoop up the top and refilter. Might have a good chance to salvage it. I hate to admit but I’ve used cloudy Tren. I’m still alive

 

[Wunderpus]

Man I’m starting to see this a lot more. I agree with a little heat like my boy said. WP after that your gonna have to let it settle for a good while and let that cloud settle. Scoop up the top and refilter. Might have a good chance to salvage it. I hate to admit but I’ve used cloudy Tren. I’m still alive

It's like an actual sediment, not just cloudy, if that makes sense? Looks like very FINE sand in the bottom that turns into a mud. Presumably, that's the raws? Wonder why I didn't have this issue before? Same exact EVERYTHING except time.... The tren changed color and now did this... WTF?

 

[Heavy Iron]

This was with enough heat to barely pick up beaker. I have about 25gs more to brew so I can experiment.

 

[ickyrica]

I know a few guys that have used cloudy tren but when the bottom has sediment I'd take a pass and try to fix it lol.

Only time I've ever seen anything like what was described here was an old vial of tren base that I had.. It turned into sludge but base uses some nasty shit to hold in oil. Who knows?

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This was with enough heat to barely pick up beaker. I have about 25gs more to brew so I can experiment.

lol, I use red tops too! Tren ace?

 

[Heavy Iron]

lol, I use red tops too! Tren ace?

Lol yeah man. Red for Tren A. Yellow for NPP. For some reason those make sense.

 

[Ultimatepip]

All,

I brewed up 50ml's of tren ace and it's murky/muddy... Same brew process as always, however the raws had more of an "iron oxide" like color than they did before... So, the final product has sediment that settles to the bottom of the vial, and seperates from the oil. Doesn't look like moisture, as I've had that before. WTF could've gone wrong? I did 18% BB, 2% BA with MCT... I've used these raws before, about 6 months ago (they were lighter), with no issue. Any way to save this?

Just inject it into your jugular and let us know how it goes...

 

[Thegreek]

@Wunderpus whats up buddy. I can help you out with this but I’m going to need a big discount on my next program from you. Lol jk bro. Your tren looks very familiar so more than likely it’s the same issue that’s been going on. Obviously when tren is made it’s made in bulk not little custom batches. The first step is to create the tren in its base form. The esters are added after. Apparently tren is a bitch to make that’s why it’s more expensive. So when the acetate esters are added sometimes you don’t get complete binding. So what you are seeing at the bottom is tren base that didn’t go into solution because you’d need way higher amounts of BB to completely dissolve it. If you were to heat it it will get perfectly clear but as soon as it cools the base will fall out and you’d be right back to where you started. Here are your options. If you have tren E raws add .5 grams to 100ml of Tren A. Do the math accordingly depending on how many mls of Tren A you have. If you have finished Tren E then you have to adjust your math. So for the same 100ml Tren A you’d have to add 500mgs of finished Tren E. Reheat after adding the raws or finished. Make sure the heat isn’t crazy hot but hot and long enough to get it to all go back into solution. Let cool and you should be good to go. I have pics in the thread called another cloudy tren posted by Evom1. If you don’t have any Tren E raws or finished I can help you with that if you want. The other option is filter at room temp. Do not reheat it. Makes sure it’s been sitting at room temp for a while and filter it. It may not be perfect after filtering but it will definitely be clearer since the base should get removed by the filter. I can’t give you an answer though on the mg to ml after you filter. Not sure what happens to the dosage now that the base has been removed. I would think the dose would drop by I have no idea by how much.

 

[Holidaypay]

@Wunderpus I had it happen before its a sludge almost on the bottom clean ur glassware fast or it will harden an be almost impossible an after the vial sits for a day the same thing will happen flip it upside down an there will be a settement on the bottom

 

[Wunderpus]

@Wunderpus whats up buddy. I can help you out with this but I’m going to need a big discount on my next program from you. Lol jk bro. Your tren looks very familiar so more than likely it’s the same issue that’s been going on. Obviously when tren is made it’s made in bulk not little custom batches. The first step is to create the tren in its base form. The esters are added after. Apparently tren is a bitch to make that’s why it’s more expensive. So when the acetate esters are added sometimes you don’t get complete binding. So what you are seeing at the bottom is tren base that didn’t go into solution because you’d need way higher amounts of BB to completely dissolve it. If you were to heat it it will get perfectly clear but as soon as it cools the base will fall out and you’d be right back to where you started. Here are your options. If you have tren E raws add .5 grams to 100ml of Tren A. Do the math accordingly depending on how many mls of Tren A you have. If you have finished Tren E then you have to adjust your math. So for the same 100ml Tren A you’d have to add 500mgs of finished Tren E. Reheat after adding the raws or finished. Make sure the heat isn’t crazy hot but hot and long enough to get it to all go back into solution. Let cool and you should be good to go. I have pics in the thread called another cloudy tren posted by Evom1. If you don’t have any Tren E raws or finished I can help you with that if you want. The other option is filter at room temp. Do not reheat it. Makes sure it’s been sitting at room temp for a while and filter it. It may not be perfect after filtering but it will definitely be clearer since the base should get removed by the filter. I can’t give you an answer though on the mg to ml after you filter. Not sure what happens to the dosage now that the base has been removed. I would think the dose would drop by I have no idea by how much.

Why then do you think that the first brew with the same raws was fine, then the second wasn’t? Seems odd...!

 

[Thegreek]

I thought you meant same raws as in same supplier. I don’t have an answer for that but that doesn’t mean you can’t try and fix it the way I said.

 

[ickyrica]

Why then do you think that the first brew with the same raws was fine, then the second wasn’t? Seems odd...!

How air tight was the packaging? Accutane seems to go to shit when not 100% air tight. There has to be various degrees of "issue" in regards to how compounds are affected by air. Just a thought I guess

 

[egonormical1010]

Had this happen to me in summer of 17. Had 2 x 100ml jugs of acetate at 120mg/ml. Towards the end of summer/beginning of fall I was near the end of the last jug with maybe 30ml left. Noticed a fine, almost metallic flake like, layer on the bottom. No cloudiness, just a sandy bottom.

Difference for me though, was mine was completely normal when first made. It didn’t get funky until 3 months later.

I know this doesn’t directly help but maybe it will help others find the missing pieces to the puzzle.