My experiences with GH thus far...about 6 weeks in.

[AnabolicTacos]

i never used Gh before, matter of fact the only thing i ever used was test and arimidex, ive heard people say GH gives you 24/7 a little pump, is that true?

 

[wldb33rz]

This is a bit late due to other issues self-induced but I did get my labs and this is approx 5 weeks later than I wanted for these results.



This is on 4IU daily

Some things to note: I've dropped a shirt size and a pant size during this timeframe and continue to see lower fat, however scale weight is up ~10lbs and I have more muscle definition. Also on 250 test e per week as well. Eating at maintenance and working out 4x per week and of course, daily cardio.

 

[Jaymoney???]

This is a bit late due to other issues self-induced but I did get my labs and this is approx 5 weeks later than I wanted for these results.

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This is on 4IU daily

Some things to note: I've dropped a shirt size and a pant size during this timeframe and continue to see lower fat, however scale weight is up ~10lbs and I have more muscle definition. Also on 250 test e per week as well. Eating at maintenance and working out 4x per week and of course, daily cardio.

Hey. I noticed you said you have tried a lot of generics, but have stuck with Sero‘s. I thought maybe you could help me out. I was using Seros three IU split two doses AM p.m. I can’t afford to use that much so I added a very good generic that was 98% pure with low dimer. My plan was to use both taking the Seros in the PM & the generic in the a.m.

Problem is, ever since I started the generic I have been getting carpal tunnel symptoms with bloating in my feet and my forearms are tight as rocks.

Do you think I should just lower the generic down until I can handle the side effects? I still feel like I get the good benefits from the generic just can’t handle the side effects. 1.5iu of Seros is just not good enough…. Thanks for any help!!!

 

[Ghoul]

Hey. I noticed you said you have tried a lot of generics, but have stuck with Sero‘s. I thought maybe you could help me out. I was using Seros three IU split two doses AM p.m. I can’t afford to use that much so I added a very good generic that was 98% pure with low dimer. My plan was to use both taking the Seros in the PM & the generic in the a.m.

Problem is, ever since I started the generic I have been getting carpal tunnel symptoms with bloating in my feet and my forearms are tight as rocks.

Do you think I should just lower the generic down until I can handle the side effects? I still feel like I get the good benefits from the generic just can’t handle the side effects. 1.5iu of Seros is just not good enough…. Thanks for any help!!!

Purity has nothing to do with those side effects, they’re normal when the dose of rHGH is too high, even with pharma.

Just lower the dose.

And go get your IGF-1 / Z-score if you intend to stay on long term and don’t want to hurt yourself.

 

[Ateam2023]

Hey. I noticed you said you have tried a lot of generics, but have stuck with Sero‘s. I thought maybe you could help me out. I was using Seros three IU split two doses AM p.m. I can’t afford to use that much so I added a very good generic that was 98% pure with low dimer. My plan was to use both taking the Seros in the PM & the generic in the a.m.

Problem is, ever since I started the generic I have been getting carpal tunnel symptoms with bloating in my feet and my forearms are tight as rocks.

Do you think I should just lower the generic down until I can handle the side effects? I still feel like I get the good benefits from the generic just can’t handle the side effects. 1.5iu of Seros is just not good enough…. Thanks for any help!!!

What dose of the generic are you using?

 

[Jaymoney???]

Well, this is quite embarrassing to admit, but I’ll tell you what happened.

Started 1iu split am pm Sero.
Bumped to 1.5 than 2 of Sero only.
Felt good and decided to bump to 3iu. But could not afford that Pharma only. So went to-

Mixed a vial with 1/2 Pharma 1/2 generic.

Went to 3iu daily and started having hands fall asleep at night. Then after about a week started getting carpal tunnel feelings in my hands and numbing, bloated feet.

 

[Jaymoney???]

Purity has nothing to do with those side effects, they’re normal when the dose of rHGH is too high, even with pharma.

Just lower the dose.

And go get your IGF-1 / Z-score if you intend to stay on long term and don’t want to hurt yourself.

Thank you, getting the test done January 19, looking forward to it. What is your opinion on taking HTCZ to help HGH edema sporadically to help move water? Is this a similar thought process as pharma adding in mannitol to there HGH?

 

[Ghoul]

Thank you, getting the test done January 19, looking forward to it. What is your opinion on taking HTCZ to help HGH edema sporadically to help move water? Is this a similar thought process as pharma adding in mannitol to there HGH?

Mannitol can be a diuretic but the amounts used in rHGH don’t come close to the minimum dose needed. It’s used as an excipient (“filler”) ingredient because it protects the rHGH from damage during lyophilization (freeze drying), helps the rHGH dissolve more easily, and once injected, the mannitol conditions tissue to more easily absorb the rHGH with less PIP.


I’ve never had to use a diuretic for edema, but if I did need to I prefer to follow endocrinologist guidelines (why reinvent the wheel when I could just do what the pros do?).

The first thing they advise is reducing the dose and slowly titrating back up, but that’s not going to work for us PED users. Too conservative and we’re a little tougher than the patients they have to baby so they don’t quit because of sides.

Next, they try spironolactone,but I’m not a fan for several reasons so would move on to the second choice, HCTZ..

12.5mg / day, max 25mg / day HCTZ.

Once you’re on a stable dose of rHGH for 7-21 days, and the edema has completely resolved, they’ll remove the diuretic and see how it goes. In most cases the edema won’t return.

The key here is stable dose. It’s dose increases that throw the water retention balance off and cause edema, so you have to stay on the diuretic until you’ve gone as high as you intend to, it’s been a few weeks, and there’s no sign of edema.

 

[Jaymoney???]

Mannitol can be a diuretic but the amounts used in rHGH don’t come close to the minimum dose needed. It’s used as an excipient (“filler”) ingredient because it protects the rHGH from damage during lyophilization (freeze drying), helps the rHGH dissolve more easily, and once injected, the mannitol conditions tissue to more easily absorb the rHGH with less PIP.


I’ve never had to use a diuretic for edema, but if I did need to I prefer to follow endocrinologist guidelines (why reinvent the wheel when I could just do what the pros do?).

The first thing they advise is reducing the dose and slowly titrating back up, but that’s not going to work for us PED users. Too conservative and we’re a little tougher than the patients they have to baby so they don’t quit because of sides.

Next, they try spironolactone,but I’m not a fan for several reasons so would move on to the second choice, HCTZ..

12.5mg / day, max 25mg / day HCTZ.

Once you’re on a stable dose of rHGH for 7-21 days, and the edema has completely resolved, they’ll remove the diuretic and see how it goes. In most cases the edema won’t return.

The key here is stable dose. It’s dose increases that throw the water retention balance off and cause edema, so you have to stay on the diuretic until you’ve gone as high as you intend to, it’s been a few weeks, and there’s no sign of edema.

Awesome information, thank you!

One more question for you if you have the time. I haven’t read through all your posts so I’m not sure what your stance is in regards to pharma vs. ugl GH. Assuming it’s good quality generic.

I have a source for Pharma GH but I can’t quite afford nor can I get enough of it monthly to get as many I ius as I’d like to get to.

You have mentioned to me previously that mixing the two in a vial is not advisable. Do you think I should take generic vial then Pharma the next vial —- so on and so forth? Take my generic in the a.m. & the Pharma in the p.m.? or just say, screw the Pharma and go all ugl?

For some reason, I just can’t let go of the Pharma GH all the way.

 

[Ghoul]

Awesome information, thank you!

One more question for you if you have the time. I haven’t read through all your posts so I’m not sure what your stance is in regards to pharma vs. ugl GH. Assuming it’s good quality generic.

I have a source for Pharma GH but I can’t quite afford nor can I get enough of it monthly to get as many I ius as I’d like to get to.

You have mentioned to me previously that mixing the two in a vial is not advisable. Do you think I should take generic vial then Pharma the next vial —- so on and so forth? Take my generic in the a.m. & the Pharma in the p.m.? or just say, screw the Pharma and go all ugl?

For some reason, I just can’t let go of the Pharma GH all the way.

Without question don’t mix them. The difference in formulations just makes it likely you’re worsening the quality of not only the pharma, but even the UGL.

I see no issue alternating use of them. Less exposure to the aggregates in the UGL by using pharma every other time is only a positive.

Harm reduction isn’t harm elimination. It’s about doing what’s possible to reduce risk within the limits of what you’re working with.

A heroin user *should* stop using altogether, but it’s safe to assume they’ll do what they want to do, so getting them to use clean needles is progress, and reduces harm.

While rHGH use isn’t anywhere near the same risk, the same philosophy applies.

Best to only do it under a doctor’s care. - that’s not happening.

Next best is to use pharma, because it’s tightly regulated for qualities that make it safe. - that’s not possible in this case, cost is an impediment. So UGL is going to be used here (as is the case with 99% of PED users) That’s just reality.

I think your biggest bang for the buck, harm reduction wise, would be to get a few years worth of a single UGL batch from one vendor, all at once, or as much as you can reasonably afford. That ought to be quite a bit if you’ve been able buy pharma. Test it yourself, or if unwilling, one that’s frequently blind tested so you have a good idea of the quality and dosing you’re dealing with. Buy good filters and Ultra spec vials.

This way you aren’t playing roulette every few months with a new batch. Potentially hitting the “jackpot” one day by getting some rare, but harmful fucked up kit that does some unseen damage because it’s contaminated with god knows what. That alone will cut down on a major hazard imo.

I think this is a better approach than mix and matching pharma with random UGL rHGH (By the way, generics are safe, regulated copies of name brand drugs. We’re dealing with the UGL black market, where at least some batches were going to encounter are made in places like , not pharma factories by guys in spacesuits.

 

[Jaymoney???]

Without question don’t mix them. The difference in formulations just makes it likely you’re worsening the quality of not only the pharma, but even the UGL.

I see no issue alternating use of them. Less exposure to the aggregates in the UGL by using pharma every other time is only a positive.

Harm reduction isn’t harm elimination. It’s about doing what’s possible to reduce risk within the limits of what you’re working with.

A heroin user *should* stop using altogether, but it’s safe to assume they’ll do what they want to do, so getting them to use clean needles is progress, and reduces harm.

While rHGH use isn’t anywhere near the same risk, the same philosophy applies.

Best to only do it under a doctor’s care. - that’s not happening.

Next best is to use pharma, because it’s tightly regulated for qualities that make it safe. - that’s not possible in this case, cost is an impediment. So UGL is going to be used here (as is the case with 99% of PED users) That’s just reality.

I think your biggest bang for the buck, harm reduction wise, would be to get a few years worth of a single UGL batch from one vendor, all at once, or as much as you can reasonably afford. That ought to be quite a bit if you’ve been able buy pharma. Test it yourself, or if unwilling, one that’s frequently blind tested so you have a good idea of the quality and dosing you’re dealing with. Buy good filters and Ultra spec vials.

This way you aren’t playing roulette every few months with a new batch. Potentially hitting the “jackpot” one day by getting some rare, but harmful fucked up kit that does some unseen damage because it’s contaminated with god knows what. That alone will cut down on a major hazard imo.

I think this is a better approach than mix and matching pharma with random UGL rHGH (generics are safe, regulated copies of name brand drugs. We’re dealing with black market where at least some branches are made in places like , not pharma factories by guys in spacesuits.

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Thanks again, I like your idea of buying a couple years worth than testing myself. Great idea!!!

I searched again, but did not find your stance on HGH filter:

PVDF or PES???

 

[songsofpyramids]

Went to 3iu daily and started having hands fall asleep at night. Then after about a week started getting carpal tunnel feelings in my hands and numbing, bloated feet.

You jumped dose too fast. Drop back to 2iu seros at night for two weeks, then reintroduce the generic at a lower dose like .2-.5iu. If you have problems there switch to every other morning for the generic. You could try ALA, and Taurine for the cts symptoms, and I’ve seen people have success with dandelion root as a natural diuretic. Also, don’t mix your beautiful sero with generic stuff, that’s a crime against nature.

 

[Ghoul]

Thanks again, I like your idea of buying a couple years worth than testing myself. Great idea!!!

I searched again, but did not find your stance on HGH filter:

PVDF or PES???

PES for sure.