my liver is pissed off

[crewboss]

i have an appointment to see the doctor today. i've been half ignoring a pain under my right rib cage for a few weeks now, dismissing it as a normal ache or pain. i found a small knot in that general area a couple weeks ago, feels like it's between my lower-most rib and liver. during the past couple weeks the ache has been more noticable and the general area has grown more tender. now i'm noticing a dull ache in the entire liver area..

i've been off-cycle for a solid 6 months, and the only 17aa i ran on my last cycle was winny eod. i ran normal PCT and milk thistle all the way through.

since then, all i've run was T3 for 4 weeks, and ECA on and off. the T3 dosing was somewhat interrupted by a vacation, and the off-taper was more abrupt than i would have liked, but nothing too bad..

what concerns me is this - i have taken finasteride 1mg for about 2 years now, possibly longer.. i drink about 1-2 gallons of water a day, but on weekends my alcohol consumption can range anywhere from moderate to pretty damn heavy. am i taxing the hell outta my liver??

little cocerned for what i might hear today, i'm assuming he'll want an x-ray and/or ultrasound or mri. interested to hear what you guys think..

 

[batista]

Sounds

to me that you been taxing the hell out of your liver bro. I hope the doctor has good news for you. Next time get some milk thistle and take it and lay off the alcohol for awhile.

Good luck bro.

 

[cvguy]

dude, if you think you're liver is acting up, stop drinking alcohol NOW. NONE. PERIOD.

Go to the doc, and get your liver enzymes tested. NOW.

 

[scrappy]

beware when combining any oral drugs:
tylenol, anti biotics, alcohol, winny, and maybe even finasteride. You should not combine oral drugs for long at all and then only if you absolutely must.
tylenol and alcohol for example have a syerngistic (1+1=3) effect in elevating liver enzymes...not good

 

[crewboss]

i'm taking all precautions now, especially laying off the booze, and i am going to have my doctor add a hepatic panel w/ my blood test, scheduled tomorrow. that still doesn't tell me what the hell the knot is. i'll find out soon enough.

 

[patsfan]

Hey good luck bro. I'll say a prayer for you.

Pats

 

[2small]

Keep us updated. God luck.

 

[mesomember]

Keep us updated. God luck.

Check the classfieds -theres probably a source for a new liver.
Good luck for real though bro!

 

[iceman1978]

Damn I Swear Ive Got The Same Situation I However Have Really No Expeirence With Oral Gear Only Inj.i Also Have A Lump In The Area Described. The Size Of My Finger Nail Approximatly A Quarter Inch Under The Skin I Would Go See The Doc But I Do Construction And Have Been Laid Off Therefore My Ins.lapsed Plz Post Your Outcome .i Also Have The Dull Ache In My Liver Area Have Been Concerned
Thanks Ice

 

[highoutput]

Hey bro I hope everything works out for you. keep us posted!

 

[crewboss]

Hey bro I hope everything works out for you. keep us posted!

thanks guys, i was starting to get a little white knuckled about the whole thing but i think i got some good news yesterday. doctor is 90% sure it has nothing to do with my liver... he says i broke a rib. he asked me if i have had any sudden impact of late and the only thing i could think of was a pickup football game last summer when i got popped pretty good in the general area. it was pretty painful for a couple months , and the pain would disappear and come back...

he says the knot is the area where the bone reset, and if that's the case i'll have to live with wherever it sets.. not a big deal. definitely NOT outta the woods yet, he tells me the results from the x-rays today. if they're negative, he's going to check out the hepatic panel from the bloodwork i will have done today... i'll keep you guys posted, thanks for the replies.

 

[pgjy]

re

crewboss, hope all turns out well for you.

 

[esco]

good luck bro ... bumpin it up to hopefully hear some good news.

 

[highoutput]

Good to hear bro. Hope that's all it is!

 

[crewboss]

Good to hear bro. Hope that's all it is!

that avatar makes me randy

 

[eleven11]

thanks guys, i was starting to get a little white knuckled about the whole thing but i think i got some good news yesterday. doctor is 90% sure it has nothing to do with my liver... he says i broke a rib. he asked me if i have had any sudden impact of late and the only thing i could think of was a pickup football game last summer when i got popped pretty good in the general area. it was pretty painful for a couple months , and the pain would disappear and come back...

he says the knot is the area where the bone reset, and if that's the case i'll have to live with wherever it sets.. not a big deal. definitely NOT outta the woods yet, he tells me the results from the x-rays today. if they're negative, he's going to check out the hepatic panel from the bloodwork i will have done today... i'll keep you guys posted, thanks for the replies.

Glad to here that. I did something like that many years ago, we were drinking at a party and screwing around I tryed to lift my buddy up over my shoulder, he was a big fuck anyway but I didn't know he had grabbed the bumper of a truck. Next thing I hear is my rib snapping we wre so drunk we just laugh about it but after it healed I've had a knot there ever since. good luck with the rest of your test......11

 

[ad234]

Other protectants for the future....

Good to hear bro. In the future think about alpha lipoic acid, N-Acetyl Cysteine and dandelion root in addition to your milk thistle for liver protection. Especially the ALA. I added the above to my milk thistle when my derm had me on a heavy cycle of accutane while I was also juicing (no orals) and my liver values actually went down month-month where they stopped taking monthly blood tests (for the accutane) b/c my liver values were improving monthly. So i am a firm beleiver in liver protectants, remember bro you just have one.

thanks guys, i was starting to get a little white knuckled about the whole thing but i think i got some good news yesterday. doctor is 90% sure it has nothing to do with my liver... he says i broke a rib. he asked me if i have had any sudden impact of late and the only thing i could think of was a pickup football game last summer when i got popped pretty good in the general area. it was pretty painful for a couple months , and the pain would disappear and come back...

he says the knot is the area where the bone reset, and if that's the case i'll have to live with wherever it sets.. not a big deal. definitely NOT outta the woods yet, he tells me the results from the x-rays today. if they're negative, he's going to check out the hepatic panel from the bloodwork i will have done today... i'll keep you guys posted, thanks for the replies.

 

[crewboss]

well i got the results back today. the rib is normal. so next step is an ultrasound to see if i tor anything, and the results on my hepatic panel will be in tomorrow as well.. here's to hoping it's not my liver...

 

[iceman1978]

well i got the results back today. the rib is normal. so next step is an ultrasound to see if i tor anything, and the results on my hepatic panel will be in tomorrow as well.. here's to hoping it's not my liver...

hey crewboss i posted earlier saying i have the same prob goin on well i went to the emergency room today the doc said the lump i feel is lipoma [a small clump of fatty tissue]he thumped around on my liver area in the front upper ab area and said my liver is normal size and he doesnt feel any nodes he sasid the pain i feel oin my lower right back is a lumbsacral strain not sure if im in the clear but made me feel better hearin him say it wasnt my liver again ive really used no orals only dbol twice but both times after a week or so i began feelin sickwhich leads me back to thinkin my liver isnt processing right i also gave the doc a urine sample the checked it for blood and infections not sure if they checked liver values goodluck

 

[gyno_ghost]

well i got the results back today. the rib is normal. so next step is an ultrasound to see if i tor anything, and the results on my hepatic panel will be in tomorrow as well.. here's to hoping it's not my liver...

Anything new, crewboss? I'm interested in hearing how this plays out, both for your safety and for the general knowledge of the forum. I'm a bit of a liver freak; more specifically, liver damage is probably the one side effect of dosing I am most concerned with. (Well, other than the gyno, but I have mountains of Nolvadex to deal with that.)

Anyway, as mentioned, I am very interested in the results of your tests. I've only run orals once, but have plans to do so again soon. Last time, I dosed Winstrol and DBol for about four weeks without any noticeable problems. This time it will just be DBol for five weeks. The complicating factor is that I'm on some medicine known as Imuran that has some potential for liver damage. I don't drink other than the occasional glass of wine, and I'll stop that completely--and add milk thistle--when I start the DBol.

My biggest concern is that once or twice a week, I get bad headaches and muscle aches and usually take Tylenol to get rid of the pain. (Tylenol is the only drug I can take; the others can worsen an inflammatory condition I suffer from.) Anyway, as you all know, Tylenol is one of the most destructive drugs to the liver. I usually take two or three grams to chase the pain away. I'm worried that if I do this while on DBol, I'll lose the ol' liver.

On the other hand, I've read quite a few studies on APAP, and manufacturers have really erred on the side of caution. In other words, there is convincing evidence that one could take 10 Tylenol with three beers every once and a while and still be OK. It's long-term, sustained use of the product that can kill (and liver failure, I've heard, is one of the most agonizing ways to die).

So, I guess the question becomes: should I stay away from Tylenol altogether while on DBol, or is once or twice a week going to be OK? I don't want to divert this thread from crewboss' original concerns, but thought this might be a good place to raise some general questions as well.

Thanks,

GG