My PCT Are Good For This Cycle?

[X-BODY]

Hi
I am little confused about my pct. My current cycle is: Sustanon 500/week + Primobolan 600/week (plus HCG 500iu/week) for 16 weeks. My PCT will be like this:

PCT (18 days after last injection):
Week 1-4: clomid: 50+50+25+25 mg
Week 1-4: Nolvadex : 40+20+20+20 mg
Week 1-4: TUDCA 500mg (i did find this: TAUROLITE 250 MG - Google'da Ara correct???)

Is this good for this cycle? Some people says its need to be 6 weeks and dosages must be high. What do you think????

 

[Dr JIM]

I KNOW the best means of eliminating all the PCT related guesswork; POST-PCT labs.

So after running PCT for FOUR WEEKs, just as you have listed it, stop the SERMS and DRAW LABS a TT and LH level ONE WEEK later

PCT 4 weeks ---- stop SERMS ----- draw labs ONE WEEK LATER.

These values should be approximate your PRE-CYCLE labs. Oops, you did obtain Pre-cycle labs DIDN'T YOU!

I suspect NOT! So run your PCT for SIX weeks, stop the SERMS and obtain labs one week later.

Now you KNOW why there is so much confusion when it comes to PCT. The unfortunate fact is few folk obtain baseline PRE-CYCLE labs by which a comparison can be made.

Those who obtain such labs eliminate the "confusion" for all intents and purposes and any "substitute" becomes a bro-science guessing game.

Good luck!

 

[Burrr]

One week after stoppin serms is way to soon to get any idea of your recovery.

It will take at least a month, better yet a month and half for the serms to stop influencing your lh and fsh.

Has a 4 week pct worked well for you in the past?
If so, I'd do what you proposed.

 

[X-BODY]

I KNOW the best means of eliminating all the PCT related guesswork; POST-PCT labs.

So after running PCT for FOUR WEEKs, just as you have listed it, stop the SERMS and DRAW LABS a TT and LH level ONE WEEK later

PCT 4 weeks ---- stop SERMS ----- draw labs ONE WEEK LATER.

These values should be approximate your PRE-CYCLE labs. Oops, you did obtain Pre-cycle labs DIDN'T YOU!

I suspect NOT! So run your PCT for SIX weeks, stop the SERMS and obtain labs one week later.

Now you KNOW why there is so much confusion when it comes to PCT. The unfortunate fact is few folk obtain baseline PRE-CYCLE labs by which a comparison can be made.

Those who obtain such labs eliminate the "confusion" for all intents and purposes and any "substitute" becomes a bro-science guessing game.

Good luck!

Hi Dr
I did lab tests before my cycle. So i will go PCT for 4 weeks then 1 week after lab tests again???
And i have a another questions about using HGH (and cancer) while in PCT. Can i ask you here?

@Burrr : yes i did 4 weeks and looks work in the past but i dont do blood tests before
NOTE:
My english not so good bcs of that when you say DRAW LABS, you mean blood tests right?
THANKS

 

[Burrr]

X body,

that is good that you did blood testing before your cycle

Dr Jim and I are suggesting a different schedule for when to do the after PCT blood testing.
Jim suggested one week after stopping your PCT drugs, I suggest waiting 6 weeks after stopping the PCT drugs. I believe they will be active in your system for a while, and give a false result at the one week mark.
SERMs will increase your luteinising hormone, and your testosterone... the effect we are looking for from PCT. To see if you have really recovered you need to wait till the SERMs have completely left your body and see what your natural production of Test, LH and FSH is and how it compares to your levels before the steroid cycle.

Can you clarify what your total testosterone was before you ran this cycle of steroids?

 

[bigpapabuff]

One week after stoppin serms is way to soon to get any idea of your recovery.

It will take at least a month, better yet a month and half for the serms to stop influencing your lh and fsh.

Has a 4 week pct worked well for you in the past?
If so, I'd do what you proposed.

Agreed. I even prefer 6-8 weeks post pct to gauge my recovery.

 

[X-BODY]

X body,

that is good that you did blood testing before your cycle

Dr Jim and I are suggesting a different schedule for when to do the after PCT blood testing.
Jim suggested one week after stopping your PCT drugs, I suggest waiting 6 weeks after stopping the PCT drugs. I believe they will be active in your system for a while, and give a false result at the one week mark.
SERMs will increase your luteinising hormone, and your testosterone... the effect we are looking for from PCT. To see if you have really recovered you need to wait till the SERMs have completely left your body and see what your natural production of Test, LH and FSH is and how it compares to your levels before the steroid cycle.

Can you clarify what your total testosterone was before you ran this cycle of steroids?

Hi
Ok. i will do 4 weeks PCT and wait 1 or 2 weeks then blood test. My total testosterone is: 4.8 ng/mL in my pre cycle blood test.
By the way, i have another question about HGH and cancer. Can i ask you too??
THANKS

 

[Burrr]

Wait one or two months then test

 

[X-BODY]

Wait one or two months then test

You mean "weeks" i think Thanks

 

[benchyourmom]

I'm pretty sure he means months.

 

[Burrr]

Wait at least 6 weeks, 1 and a half months,
42 days

 

[Schredder]

I KNOW the best means of eliminating all the PCT related guesswork; POST-PCT labs.

So after running PCT for FOUR WEEKs, just as you have listed it, stop the SERMS and DRAW LABS a TT and LH level ONE WEEK later

PCT 4 weeks ---- stop SERMS ----- draw labs ONE WEEK LATER.

These values should be approximate your PRE-CYCLE labs. Oops, you did obtain Pre-cycle labs DIDN'T YOU!

I suspect NOT! So run your PCT for SIX weeks, stop the SERMS and obtain labs one week later.

Now you KNOW why there is so much confusion when it comes to PCT. The unfortunate fact is few folk obtain baseline PRE-CYCLE labs by which a comparison can be made.

Those who obtain such labs eliminate the "confusion" for all intents and purposes and any "substitute" becomes a bro-science guessing game.

Good luck!

Draw labs one week after PCT to see if he is recovered, your kidding me right? You don't think there will be any false readings.

You aren't even in the ballpark of when post PCT lab should be taken to see if one has recovered and LH and FSH are function properly on their own.

 

[Dr JIM]

Damn you are a fool, tell me Clown what do you think my suggestion is based upon BRO-SCIENCE!

 

[Dr JIM]

A "false reading", oh please please please tell me what you don't know about lab assays and "false readings" lol

And to think you want me to justify your presence by "debating you"
try a noob first, I mean shit you don't even know how to read, Clown, lol!

 

[Burrr]

Performing labs while on PCT drugs provides info on whether they are working, but HTPA recovery is best confirmed several weeks after the involved drugs have cleared.

Nonetheless the data posted provides
an example about why TWO SERMS are not needed when cycling a relatively low TT dose, MORE IS NOT BETTER!

 

[Burrr]

So to sum up here...
To see if your PCT drugs are working as intended do bloodwork at the end of PCT

To see if the PCT got your HPTA ( your natty test production) working again do bloods several weeks after PCT and compare to precycle bloods

 

[eryximachus]

Clomifene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The half life of Clomid is 5-7 days. It would seem foolish to get blood work 1 week out, especially at high doses.

 

[eryximachus]

A "false reading", oh please please please tell me what you don't know about lab assays and "false readings" lol

And to think you want me to justify your presence by "debating you"
try a noob first, I mean shit you don't even know how to read, Clown, lol!

So what's your deal? You're not really a doctor. You just play one on this forum? Insult people for fun?

I mean, is it so hard to go to the FDA website and look up Clomid? Honestly, you've got some real impudence to pretend to be a doctor when basic research anyone can do with a high school education appears to elude you.

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2012/016131s026lbl.pdf

Based on early studies with 14C-labeled clomiphene citrate, the drug was shown to be readily absorbed orally in humans and excreted principally in the feces. Cumulative urinary and fecal excretion of the 14C averaged about 50% of the oral dose and 37% of an intravenous dose after 5 days. Mean urinary excretion was approximately 8% with fecal excretion of about 42%.

Some 14C label was still present in the feces 6 weeks after administration. Subsequent single-dose studies in normal volunteers showed that zuclomiphene (cis) has a longer half-life than enclomiphene (trans). Detectable levels of zuclomiphene persisted for longer than a month in these subjects. This may be suggestive of stereo-specific enterohepatic recycling or sequestering of the zuclomiphene.
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