My PCT is over - for those who asked for the results - here they are.

[Deacon]

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several of you asked to know how it turned out after that 23 week cycle with test,eq,tren,deca,d-bol,anadrols


well here is what I ran

I ran test for the last two weeks of the cycle becuase of high blood pressure concerns at 800mgs per week.
I then started HCG at 500 IUS ED for two weeks prior to pct (14 days actually as I had quit the deca two weeks prior and just ran test cyp)

It was some time after the first week of the HCG that I began to experience tremendous pumps- un freaking real - like a had injected a gallon of air into my muscles - my chest actually pumped up so much it looked freaky. I spoke to Liftsiron about this and theorized that I had experienced test rebound - where my natural levels were rising back quickly.
This went on for three weeks! It was unreal - I would lose the pump overnight but for most of the day it was with me - I just cant explain the feeling.

So for PCT I ran this;

clomid 300 mgs nolva 40 mgs day 1

day 2-14 100mgs of clomid and 40 mgs of nolva

day 15-28 I ran clomid at 50 mgs and nolva at 20 mgs.

During this period I had about a week and a half where I was really flat - the pumps were gone and I was beginning to believe that my test had dropped out of the barrel.

Until this week! I am fuller again - no change in diet regimine - feeling very strong in the gym and getting good pumps again - not the mind blowing pumps but real good ones.


My weight has dropped from 200 to about 190 - 192 and it has settled there for now. But I'll take it consdiering I was a sickly 178 back in March when I started that big cycle.


So the cycle did what I wanted it to - I am bigger stronger and muscular with added mass on my back and legs - both places I really focused on and will do so more in the future.
Ask Liftsiron - I have a good chest, killer shoulders and big arms - so for me the back and legs are important to get growing and they did this last cycle and I will increase them again next year.

BTW the blood pressure is coming down with medication. But it has always been high even without gear.


Would I do another 23 week cycle? almost 6 months? Maybe but not for a while - it got really long for me this time. If you are like me - super focused while on - it just gets to be a long time.


Well here it is bro's for those who wanted to know. I believe that using both clomid and nolva are the reason that I have had such a tremendous PCT.

I also have used glutamine, creatine, and Tribex during PCT and now an using T-Bomb 2 - which I will report more on in the future because I think it may be a great product.
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[ninja900]

Congrats! Thanks for the update

 

[lolokoss]

Wow, good work!

Only 4 weeks of PCT after being 23 weeks on?

Was that enough for you?

 

[desert]

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several of you asked to know how it turned out after that 23 week cycle with test,eq,tren,deca,d-bol,anadrols


well here is what I ran

I ran test for the last two weeks of the cycle becuase of high blood pressure concerns at 800mgs per week.
I then started HCG at 500 IUS ED for two weeks prior to pct (14 days actually as I had quit the deca two weeks prior and just ran test cyp)

It was some time after the first week of the HCG that I began to experience tremendous pumps- un freaking real - like a had injected a gallon of air into my muscles - my chest actually pumped up so much it looked freaky. I spoke to Liftsiron about this and theorized that I had experienced test rebound - where my natural levels were rising back quickly.
This went on for three weeks! It was unreal - I would lose the pump overnight but for most of the day it was with me - I just cant explain the feeling.

So for PCT I ran this;

clomid 300 mgs nolva 40 mgs day 1

day 2-14 100mgs of clomid and 40 mgs of nolva

day 15-28 I ran clomid at 50 mgs and nolva at 20 mgs.

During this period I had about a week and a half where I was really flat - the pumps were gone and I was beginning to believe that my test had dropped out of the barrel.

Until this week! I am fuller again - no change in diet regimine - feeling very strong in the gym and getting good pumps again - not the mind blowing pumps but real good ones.


My weight has dropped from 200 to about 190 - 192 and it has settled there for now. But I'll take it consdiering I was a sickly 178 back in March when I started that big cycle.


So the cycle did what I wanted it to - I am bigger stronger and muscular with added mass on my back and legs - both places I really focused on and will do so more in the future.
Ask Liftsiron - I have a good chest, killer shoulders and big arms - so for me the back and legs are important to get growing and they did this last cycle and I will increase them again next year.

BTW the blood pressure is coming down with medication. But it has always been high even without gear.


Would I do another 23 week cycle? almost 6 months? Maybe but not for a while - it got really long for me this time. If you are like me - super focused while on - it just gets to be a long time.


Well here it is bro's for those who wanted to know. I believe that using both clomid and nolva are the reason that I have had such a tremendous PCT.

I also have used glutamine, creatine, and Tribex during PCT and now an using T-Bomb 2 - which I will report more on in the future because I think it may be a great product.
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I would venture to say the Tribex plays an important role in pumping up your natural test as well...to most, its the best tribulus around. good job and great post.

 

[wolfman]

Wow, good work!

Only 4 weeks of PCT after being 23 weeks on?

Was that enough for you?

4 weeks of PCT can be enough if done properly. I did a 6 month cycle not too long ago and after 4 weeks off, blood panel came back right on the money including t levels...I tried hcg for the first time and must admit that it seemed to make me rebound much quicker. Never tried the clomid and nolva together...Any particular reason you tried this Deacon? My guess is that some people may opt to combine the two because at high doses of clomid many people start to see the negative sides associated with it. Hence the use of moderate amounts of clomid and nolva. Maybe I'll give that a shot next time.

 

[desert]

4 weeks of PCT can be enough if done properly. I did a 6 month cycle not too long ago and after 4 weeks off, blood panel came back right on the money including t levels...I tried hcg for the first time and must admit that it seemed to make me rebound much quicker. Never tried the clomid and nolva together...Any particular reason you tried this Deacon? My guess is that some people may opt to combine the two because at high doses of clomid many people start to see the negative sides associated with it. Hence the use of moderate amounts of clomid and nolva. Maybe I'll give that a shot next time.

The nolvadex staves off the estrogen sides from the HCG. I'm definitely a fan of HCG, because it gives me that psychological ease, seeing the "boys" drop and regain normal size, just in time for the clomid to get the motors running again. i will admit though i 'fucked" it up my first 3 cycles, doing 5000iu 3 days in a row....yeah "stupid mf". Nevertheless, I haven't had any reason to believe my leydig cells have been desensitized. I'll definitely know at the end of November when I get my T count done.

 

[Ronin_]

Aside from subjective feelings Deacon have you had any blood work done to show your test levels have recovered? That's the important thing.

I have continued to gain after a cycle for many weeks despite having 50ng of natural test production. Which is about a tenth of normal.

 

[Deacon]

still waiting on the blood test results - but knowing my Doc she would have called if things were not at least close to normal


also I used both clomid and nolva on reccomendation be several because of the mix of drugs I ran - basically tren and deca - and also the long time period.

I felt the nolva must have equalized some of the sides from clomid - I didnt get that wussie little girl feeling as in the past where you get all emotional and shit.

Also had less acne which I usually get plenty from clomid. I would guess that the nolva did something in that respect of keeping the clomid sides at bay - but that is just a guess