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My Pulmonary Oil Micro-Embolism story

Most of the symptoms you are describing would be attributable to your boldenone actually having Tren in it.

Tren cough, Tren chills/sweats, Tren reflux, exhaustion (from Trensomnia perhaps?).

Either you have been injecting Tren without knowing it or you are having an allergic reaction to a carrier etc. That would be my take.
 
Bumpygooch said:
Where are you guys injecting that you’re aspirating?
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Even for Tren asipration doesn't really help. Unless someone's IM injection technique is just fucked up like a football bat they aren't likely to have the tip of the needle "in a vein" but they could easily have nicked a few on the way down into the tissue. The bolus of Tren (or whatever) slowly spreads and can "infiltrate" the nicks on the veins prior to clotting.

Asiprating won't detect or prevent that.
 
malfeasance said:
Question: Are you still injecting, or did you stop 3.5 weeks ago?
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I stopped 3.5 weeks ago, I want to clear this out first.

grey said:
Even for Tren asipration doesn't really help. Unless someone's IM injection technique is just fucked up like a football bat they aren't likely to have the tip of the needle "in a vein" but they could easily have nicked a few on the way down into the tissue. The bolus of Tren (or whatever) slowly spreads and can "infiltrate" the nicks on the veins prior to clotting.

Asiprating won't detect or prevent that.
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I hadn't considered it was tren, thanks for bringing that up. Yeah my wife was like moving it around in there and after the injection there was a lot more blood than normal. I just got a great life insurance policy so it's entirely possible she was trying to collect!

I definitely had acid reflux for a while, so assuming it actually was tren, shouldn't it resolve shortly?
 
I’ve had something like this a couple times. Get that feeling/taste, then I start sweating like a madman, then the coughing comes on hardcore for like 10 minutes, then I feel like shit for a day or two. Felt “off” for at least a week after the last time.

After the last time it happened I just stopped everything except my prescribed TRT dose and just started using my delts only.
Really does a number on your head.
 
Theworm said:
Pretty easily
I pulled an estimated.5 past the 3ml mark
I believe there is actually 3.7 volume total before plunger pops out. I can take a pic if still calling BS...
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Not calling BS at all, in fact, I don’t care, I just assumed if over 3ML, one would use a 5ML. I would, I prefer a little more precision, to each his own.
 
Final update - it'll be 4 weeks tomorrow from when this started. The last few days things have improved dramatically. Today was the first day I could play with my kid and not be out of breath with a super high pulse. I had energy all day.

I had a friend call me out of the blue a few days ago. He's a pro MT fighter with experience with AAS and also has a degree in biochemistry. He echo'd what Grey was saying immediately with it likely having tren and how I could be sensitive to it alongside the long ester. He said to just rest and drink a lot of fluids and try to flush it out. He also told me about another fighter he knew who had a similar thing happen with what he thought was Boldenone and got real sick for a few weeks, but he saw him a few months later and he felt great and said he's never using that again. My bitch ass isn't touching it either. Maybe I'll try a few different orals here and there on top of TRT but otherwise I'm going to take it easy.

One other thing was that I was put on Z-pack a few days ago which could have helped, or at least explained why it lasted that long. The doc prescribed it because I tested negative for covid, flu, and valley fever, and thought I might have picked up some bacterial infection in the ER or something.

Thanks for the input fellas, especially Theworm, it kept my head straight through a tough month. Got a newborn at home too, bad timing. I earned the derision, but I'm leaving this up for any knucklehead in the future that might take some comfort in knowing they'll likely recover in a few weeks.
 
hacf123 said:
Final update - it'll be 4 weeks tomorrow from when this started. The last few days things have improved dramatically. Today was the first day I could play with my kid and not be out of breath with a super high pulse. I had energy all day.

I had a friend call me out of the blue a few days ago. He's a pro MT fighter with experience with AAS and also has a degree in biochemistry. He echo'd what Grey was saying immediately with it likely having tren and how I could be sensitive to it alongside the long ester. He said to just rest and drink a lot of fluids and try to flush it out. He also told me about another fighter he knew who had a similar thing happen with what he thought was Boldenone and got real sick for a few weeks, but he saw him a few months later and he felt great and said he's never using that again. My bitch ass isn't touching it either. Maybe I'll try a few different orals here and there on top of TRT but otherwise I'm going to take it easy.

One other thing was that I was put on Z-pack a few days ago which could have helped, or at least explained why it lasted that long. The doc prescribed it because I tested negative for covid, flu, and valley fever, and thought I might have picked up some bacterial infection in the ER or something.

Thanks for the input fellas, especially Theworm, it kept my head straight through a tough month. Got a newborn at home too, bad timing. I earned the derision, but I'm leaving this up for any knucklehead in the future that might take some comfort in knowing they'll likely recover in a few weeks.
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Well spoken.
 
I ran gear through most of the 90s and started a blasting (2x yearly) and cruising (250 cyp/wk) in 2018. I even did two Tren cycles since starting back. And I'd never had the cough in all that time till last Fall, and it was when doing Cyp/EQ. I'd heard of Tren cough but never experienced it, and kinda poo-pooed the stories. But in the middle of the Cyp/EQ run, and despite meticulous injection protocol (I'm a paramedic), I got it so bad I thought I was gonna die. Scared the hell out of me. But it was over in ten minutes or so. And there was definitely no Tren in either bottle, I can tell Tren in two weeks.

Then with the chills. I got one night's worth of the crazy thermo regulation during that Test/EQ run. Sweating then chills so bad my whole body was jumping. But it was only one night and not once a day like with Tren.

So I believe you, it could have just been test/EQ you ran, but I have never heard of nor experienced the cough for weeks on end.

Bottom line ... we're all just experimenting. We pay our money and we take our chances. Glad you're getting better.
 
Quick update, mostly to crowdsource more ideas. I've been steadily improving, and the last few days I feel mostly normal. Granted, I'm on a blast of prednisone that's tapering off tomorrow, so we'll see how I feel when I'm off of it completely. At this point the only time I have trouble is when I'm exerting myself. I felt good enough to try a short run/walk a few times the last week, but the last time didn't go well and after 5 mins of running I had a 192 bpm, and light headedness and legs/arms tingling. I haven't tried running again, but I did a few light sets of strength training today, and my HR didn't go too crazy, but my blood oxygen level was down to like 84 in between sets and I felt a little off. That can't be normal right?

For more context, I tested negative for covid at the beginning and end of February. I also gotta say I'm not a fan of doctors. Barely anyone has listened and considered that the injection started all this off. I even printed the two studies linked here to give to the pulmonologist when I met him, and after overhearing that he just got my charts and records and tests/imaging 30 secs before entering my room, just handed the studies back to me without looking at them. Wants me to get a PET/CT which has more radiation than a nuclear power plant worker is allowed to get exposed to in a year. So I try to get a second opinion from some other pulmonologists...it turns out most pulmonologists in my area won't see you if you started care somewhere else, they don't want to be a second opinion.

When this is all done, I'm gonna do so much got dang cardio and epo my lungs are going to look like Lance's, just like my balls.
 
I think two things happened and agree with Grey, this was most likely some Tren, which might make sense for the cough and sweats short term. The other thing is with this much gear it will have an ass load of GSO. I had something similar with Test Enthate at 400mg/ml had EO in it and it gave me the test flu at .75ml of it. I had to start at .1ml and get my body use to it. An old timer told me that taking a shit load of vitamin c on injection day can offset this also. Your body could have perceived all that oil as either an infection, attack, or a foreign bad substance resulting an inflammatory response. You said you are on test cyp 400mg? Is that two doses of 200mg/ml?

Also, what about your blood levels bro? You describe having a hard time running or walking, sounds like your hemtaocrit or RBC might be hella elevated to. Have you ever donated blood before?
 
hacf123 said:
Yeah in my case I think because I don't have too much muscle or too much fat and am pushing a lot of oil for my frame, maybe it's going too deep. I haven't pinned once since this happened over 3 weeks ago.

The gunk I coughed up seemed to change the game in my chest quite a bit. It was like I cleared something out and my chest felt lighter and it's been easier to breathe at the low end of exhalation. It also feels a little more like an infection in there and similar to when I had pneumonia 10 years ago, but more minor. I also got a fever up to 100.4 for a few days, woke up in the middle of the night drenched in sweat but freezing, and have had much more persistent, sometimes productive cough ever since I coughed up that gunk. Test results for valley fever came back negative so that's great but also disconcerting regarding the lung nodule.

The really sucky thing is that nobody outside of an ER will see me in person because those are covid symptoms. Even the ER doc said he didn't think it was covid, didn't even test for it (but still billed me as a covid code lol) and so I'm stuck dealing in telemedicine visits with a PA who doesn't know anything about hormones (let alone AAS) and doesn't believe half of what I'm saying and thinks it might just be anxiety. I barely had any anxiety this entire time, but any I had seemed to be a response to the difficulty breathing. Ever since I coughed up that gunk, my anxiety has been nearly zero since then. I'm calling Defy Medical, who I've TRT'd with in the past, in the hopes they may be more knowledgeable about this kind of thing, even if it's out of pocket.
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You likely have a latent lung infection which you have nursed along since you had pneumonia. Something about the shot the gear maybe not sleeping enough etc brought your immu e system down a notch and the infection is doing its thing. Go to dr get antibiotics, something strong and take every single pill. I had the same thing happen I jumped on a blast and suddenly hit with 103.8 fever. Had a lung infection that seemed happy at home in my body and didnt know it. Paul Borreson mentions taking a course of antibiotics b4 a cycle for same reason.
 
hacf123 said:
First off, I admit, I'm an idiot for this. I've taken TRT on and off, and I thought I'd try my first proper cycle. I landed on 400mg test cyp and 600mg boldenone weekly. I'm a smaller guy, 5'9" 160 lbs, but I thought the eq side of stronger appetite would help me out. It did for the first 4 weeks, and I had no issue having my wife push a total of 2cc of oil (I believe grapeseed carrier in the test, MCT oil in the eq).

Then on Thursday, January 8th, at the end of the injection, I immediately felt shortness of breath, the need to cough, and lay down, with 45 mins or so of impending doom. I went to sleep after some time and overnight it seemed my symptoms resolved. I read some posts on here that referenced this study: (Acute respiratory distress following intravenous injection of an oil-steroid solution) and read that I should have my wife aspirate and push very slowly to avoid those problems. Well, on Monday, January 11th, she did just that. About 3/4 of the way through, I told her to stop because I felt the cough and other symptoms coming on. There was quite a bit more blood than usual at the injection site. I again laid down and had 45 mins or so of the above. I finally fell asleep and hoped it would be just as for. This time, however, I woke up about an hour or two later with chills so bad that I had to put two layers of clothes on and two blankets on. My blood oxygen level was in the low 90s and my pulse was in the low 110s. It was absolutely exhausting to get up and do anything, and I had a really hard time breathing. I decided not to go to the ER and just monitor my blood oxygen.

The next morning was a little better, and I only had a minor fever. I was still exhausted and had a hard time breathing if I got up or changed position. After 48 hours, I felt a great deal better, and I thought I was well on my way to getting better. Unfortunately, it's 2 and a half weeks later and my symptoms are still intermittent (though much more minor) as well as what feels like acid reflux? I went to the ER a few nights ago because I woke up in the middle of the night with chills, shortness of breath, and exhaustion. They did a chest xray and CT scan with contrast. They didn't see anything except a nodule on my lung, which they're now testing for Valley Fever as I live in AZ, and they referred me to a cardiologist that can't get me in for two weeks. My PCP doesn't seem to believe or understand the possibility of a POME 2 weeks ago (although my D-Dimer was high), and I'm trying to figure out what to do next. Playing and wrestling with my kid stirs up my symptoms, working out is a no-go, and I have no real answers yet.

Any ideas on what might be going on? Another relevant study is here: Occurrence of Pulmonary Oil Microembolism After Testosterone Undecanoate Injection: A Postmarketing Safety Analysis - PubMed
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Is it possible it's something completely different and not at all gear related?!

Human nature to focus on what's new or right in front of us, so to speak.

Interesting as hell post. From a scientific, curiosity standpoint, im pulling for your theory. Ha

Good lucj
 
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