My trainer told me to do a Deca only cycle?

[Footfetishguy]

I did this for my first and second cycles years ago, but i thought it was better to follow someone with more experience.
I'm mostly scared of negative sides and how to handle those alone, but i guess i'll search for another coach or begin by myself since it's just a beginner cycle (don't think with some base shit i'll get really bad sides right?).

If your only concern is sides and you know how to eat and you know how to train, Simply do research and start with a low dosage. Don’t take everyone’s word for gospel because their are plentyyyy of these “coaches” that don’t know their ass from their elbow and recommend either shit you can find in 7min of using google or recommended blatantly stupid shit like running a 19nor only cycle.

Just lift and eat and run test and some npp. Get blood work regularly, simple as that.

 

[Disarmer]

Deca phenyl (100) 3x week monday, wednes and friday for 1 month

The fuck?
He's telling you to pin two esters. Nandrolone in the hormone but he lacks this pretty basic knowledge. How much are you paying this clown?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

The fuck?
He's telling you to pin two esters. Nandrolone in the hormone but he lacks this pretty basic knowledge. How much are you paying this clown?

He’s having him do this to offset the saturation time of deca in the beginning. Still dumb, but “conventional” wisdom says this or oral kickstarters.

 

[Vanargandar]

I'm basicall

man i don't post anything since 2016.
So my last cycle was 6 years ago at the age of 25 ( i started at 16), i took some advice from you guys and did only test for my fisrt time and test + deca for the second and last one (made some great gains hp+10 at 9%bf). Now at 31 years old, stable job etc i want to try again and asked my coach. I told him i felt more safe doing a testo only after all these years and he told me that it's better to go for a deca only cycle (joint support, less negative feeds). I must say i'm not 100% sure i want to do a deca only cycle to be honest, also because i should pin 4 times a week for the first month? the fuck.
I did blood a couple of days ago and this are the results:

testo 1000 ng/dl
free testo 24 ng/dl
e2 30 pg/ml
hdl 51 mg/dl
ldl 144 mg/dl

Here it is what he wants me to do:

Deca phenyl (100) 3x week monday, wednes and friday for 1 month
Nandro (250) 1 ml a week sunday for fist month

after first month drop deca phenyl and do only nandro 2 ml x week till the 12 week.

Do bloods after 1 month to check E2.

What do you guys think?
Before asking him i was thinking something like 500 test a week and pin two times, maybe some hgc once a week.

I'm basically retarded and even I know this is...retarded.

 

[Type-IIx]

He’s having him do this to offset the saturation time of deca in the beginning. Still dumb, but “conventional” wisdom says this or oral kickstarters.

Will feel like death and be limp-pricked before the second week. This is an extreme example of estrogenphobia (paranoid) and even testosteronephobia (cannot use the term I want to in mixed company these days).

Plasma testosterone concentrations are most rapidly and completely suppressed within the first week after an injection of the phenylpropionate ester (NPP; 100 mg), plasma testosterone concentrations return to base line by day 13 after a single 100 mg bolus of NPP, but requires > 20 days to return to base-line levels after the decanoate ester.

I thought the kick-start was the only thing that belied anything approaching a sense that this "trainer" might know what he is doing. It's fine to shorten a cycle's duration. Of course, this rationally follows from a desire to maintain HPG axis functioning/sexual function/endogenous T as best one can; and this cycle's design eviscerates that rationale.

If you doubled the dose (to achieve normal E2 levels) & used Andractim (DHT gel) on the ballsack you might actually be a functioning man on this proposed cycle, @El_Baka - but as proposed, it's very poor (and you'll be like a lot of the dumb fucks that rely on Viagra or Cialis to maintain an erection on their Deca only cycles).

 

[Vanargandar]

Will feel like death and be limp-pricked before the second week. This is an extreme example of estrogenphobia (paranoid) and even testosteronephobia (cannot use the term I want to in mixed company these days).

Plasma testosterone concentrations are most rapidly and completely suppressed within the first week after an injection of the phenylpropionate ester (NPP; 100 mg), plasma testosterone concentrations return to base line by day 13 after a single 100 mg bolus of NPP, but requires > 20 days to return to base-line levels after the decanoate ester.

I thought the kick-start was the only thing that belied anything approaching a sense that this "trainer" might know what he is doing. It's fine to shorten a cycle's duration. Of course, this rationally follows from a desire to maintain HPG axis functioning/sexual function/endogenous T as best one can; and this cycle's design eviscerates that rationale.

If you doubled the dose (to achieve normal E2 levels) & used Andractim (DHT gel) on the ballsack you might actually be a functioning man on this proposed cycle, @El_Baka - but as proposed, it's very poor (and you'll be like a lot of the dumb fucks that rely on Viagra or Cialis to maintain an erection on their Deca only cycles).

Dude you're a well of knowledge, make a YouTube channel or something.

 

[El_Baka]

Will feel like death and be limp-pricked before the second week. This is an extreme example of estrogenphobia (paranoid) and even testosteronephobia (cannot use the term I want to in mixed company these days).

Plasma testosterone concentrations are most rapidly and completely suppressed within the first week after an injection of the phenylpropionate ester (NPP; 100 mg), plasma testosterone concentrations return to base line by day 13 after a single 100 mg bolus of NPP, but requires > 20 days to return to base-line levels after the decanoate ester.

I thought the kick-start was the only thing that belied anything approaching a sense that this "trainer" might know what he is doing. It's fine to shorten a cycle's duration. Of course, this rationally follows from a desire to maintain HPG axis functioning/sexual function/endogenous T as best one can; and this cycle's design eviscerates that rationale.

If you doubled the dose (to achieve normal E2 levels) & used Andractim (DHT gel) on the ballsack you might actually be a functioning man on this proposed cycle, @El_Baka - but as proposed, it's very poor (and you'll be like a lot of the dumb fucks that rely on Viagra or Cialis to maintain an erection on their Deca only cycles).

This is already too complex for me, i guess i'll just do 500 mg of test c per week and 2x 250 ui of hgc per week for 16 weeks, bloods every 6 weeks.
I also proposed to him this cycle but he said It s better deca only ( more anabolic and less sides).

 

[Mac11wildcat]

This is already too complex for me, i guess i'll just do 500 mg of test c per week and 2x 250 ui of hgc per week for 16 weeks, bloods every 6 weeks.
I also proposed to him this cycle but he said It s better deca only ( more anabolic and less sides).

Lol. “Better.”

Get away from him dude. Plenty of good coaches likely for cheaper if he’s capitalization off “coaching pros.”

 

[Type-IIx]

Dude you're a well of knowledge, make a YouTube channel or something.

Thanks bro. YouTube isn't for me, too trite the content and too incentivized the clickbait. But I'll hopefully launch something soon in this vein.

 

[Jbagel132]

Will feel like death and be limp-pricked before the second week. This is an extreme example of estrogenphobia (paranoid) and even testosteronephobia (cannot use the term I want to in mixed company these days).

Plasma testosterone concentrations are most rapidly and completely suppressed within the first week after an injection of the phenylpropionate ester (NPP; 100 mg), plasma testosterone concentrations return to base line by day 13 after a single 100 mg bolus of NPP, but requires > 20 days to return to base-line levels after the decanoate ester.

I thought the kick-start was the only thing that belied anything approaching a sense that this "trainer" might know what he is doing. It's fine to shorten a cycle's duration. Of course, this rationally follows from a desire to maintain HPG axis functioning/sexual function/endogenous T as best one can; and this cycle's design eviscerates that rationale.

If you doubled the dose (to achieve normal E2 levels) & used Andractim (DHT gel) on the ballsack you might actually be a functioning man on this proposed cycle, @El_Baka - but as proposed, it's very poor (and you'll be like a lot of the dumb fucks that rely on Viagra or Cialis to maintain an erection on their Deca only cycles).

I take it you aren’t a fan of using NPP to “kickstart” a cycle of Deca? (Not Deca-only, I’m not that bad haha)

 

[Type-IIx]

I take it you aren’t a fan of using NPP to “kickstart” a cycle of Deca? (Not Deca-only, I’m not that bad haha)

So long as you've got something providing androgenicity and sexual function (Test being the obvious example, Dbol, Halo, etc.), I think a kick-start with NPP is fine - good, even - because it supports shortening the blast (benefits CV risk, etc.)

 

[revono]

Thanks bro. YouTube isn't for me, too trite the content and too incentivized the clickbait. But I'll hopefully launch something soon in this vein.

I've read a lot of what you publish here, yes, your theoretical knowledge is great, but after what I saw in this thread, I was somehow disappointed, you don't have enough practice to make your knowledge even better ..))

 

[Rido]

I've read a lot of what you publish here, yes, your theoretical knowledge is great, but after what I saw in this thread, I was somehow disappointed, you don't have enough practice to make your knowledge even better ..))

Idk if it's theorierical if it's based on studies, especially if it was conducted on humans.

 

[Type-IIx]

I've read a lot of what you publish here, yes, your theoretical knowledge is great, but after what I saw in this thread, I was somehow disappointed, you don't have enough practice to make your knowledge even better ..))

Care to elaborate, with some specificity as to what you are referring to? Or do you feel this sort of vague dismissal is of value?

 

[revono]

Care to elaborate, with some specificity as to what you are referring to? Or do you feel this sort of vague dismissal is of value?

I apologize if it seemed to you that I somehow tried to belittle your knowledge. It's just that I have been dealing with the prostate problem for many years and use aac microdosing to protect the prostate through feedback inhibition. Now I take trenbolone transdermally. Bodybuilders are too fixated on the fact that they always need high levels of E2 and androgens. You yourself wrote that endogenous E2 can be useful, but exogenous E2 is not the same. And then I saw how you call those who have a fear of estrogens idiots)) but you probably know that aas by themselves can protect bones without E2.

 

[revono]

Idk if it's theorierical if it's based on studies, especially if it was conducted on humans.

It is very useful to study research, but in real life it turns out that the human body is too complex a system and many arguments from research are often too naive.

 

[Rido]

It is very useful to study research, but in real life it turns out that the human body is too complex a system and many arguments from research are often too naive.

you are absolutely right, but since there is not much of a peer reviewed guidebook on harm reduction, we are a little limited. sometimes we have to put faith in people who interpret the data most consistently and something we align with.


yes, there are variables in a real life. too many, heart conditions, extracurricular activities, even getting a hold of clean gear. We are just so limited in what we can follow granted this is an illegal hobby.

 

[Type-IIx]

I apologize if it seemed to you that I somehow tried to belittle your knowledge. It's just that I have been dealing with the prostate problem for many years and use aac microdosing to protect the prostate through feedback inhibition. Now I take trenbolone transdermally. Bodybuilders are too fixated on the fact that they always need high levels of E2 and androgens. You yourself wrote that endogenous E2 can be useful, but exogenous E2 is not the same. And then I saw how you call those who have a fear of estrogens idiots)) but you probably know that aas by themselves can protect bones without E2.

Estrogens do indeed worsen BPH risk and induce prostate enlargement, and for those prone to such issues, that is a legitimate concern and not estrogenphobia. Androgens do indeed confer bone anabolic effects, and trenbolone use is a sound practice to avoid these risks. I apologize if you felt that my admittedly broad statement applied to your use case; it was not intended to.

 

[Para_33]

man i don't post anything since 2016.
So my last cycle was 6 years ago at the age of 25 ( i started at 16), i took some advice from you guys and did only test for my fisrt time and test + deca for the second and last one (made some great gains hp+10 at 9%bf). Now at 31 years old, stable job etc i want to try again and asked my coach. I told him i felt more safe doing a testo only after all these years and he told me that it's better to go for a deca only cycle (joint support, less negative feeds). I must say i'm not 100% sure i want to do a deca only cycle to be honest, also because i should pin 4 times a week for the first month? the fuck.
I did blood a couple of days ago and this are the results:

testo 1000 ng/dl
free testo 24 ng/dl
e2 30 pg/ml
hdl 51 mg/dl
ldl 144 mg/dl

Here it is what he wants me to do:

Deca phenyl (100) 3x week monday, wednes and friday for 1 month
Nandro (250) 1 ml a week sunday for fist month

after first month drop deca phenyl and do only nandro 2 ml x week till the 12 week.

Do bloods after 1 month to check E2.

What do you guys think?
Before asking him i was thinking something like 500 test a week and pin two times, maybe some hgc once a week.

I’ve run Nandrolone only, Trenbolone only, Nandrolone and Trenbolone only, Trenbolone Masteron winstrol only- all using Injectable Estardiol Valerate 0.4mg EOD.

All of these put my E2 LC/MS at like 20pg/ml. Including the Nadrolone only and Nandrolone Trenbolone only which nandrolone was 1050mg Nandrolone Decanoate per week.

So I didn’t get quite enough E2 even with 1.4mg EV per week. I bumped up the dose to 0.8mg EOD and this fixed it.

This part of my cycle worked great though and I have no complaints about them.

It can be done but you will need exogenous estradiol IMO