MythotiK's Fall Cycle!!!!!!!!

[Ozzy619]

Yes, 8 weeks on - 10 weeks off, and so on...

The main reason is to limit the negative health impact that steroids DO have on users.
For those of you that don't get lab work done while on steroids I would have you know that steroid use causes a very bad shift in the lipid profile. HDL(good cholesterol) which acts like a sticky sweeping broom to sweep up bad LDL (bad cholesterol) and prevent plaque build up on atery walls, goes EXTREMELY LOW in, dare I say, ALL MEN. Not only this but LDL levels usually climb and this is combo is not good.
Short cycles still cause a crappy lipid shift but not to the same degree as the long cycle. Also less time "On" means less time for potential aterial plaque build up.
After my last long cycle of 14 weeks I had some blood work done and my doc HAD A COW as my hdl to total cholesterol ratio was extremely poor.

There isn't a damn thing you can do to significantly avoid this....you can take niacin , flax oil , do cardio and have a pefect diet low in saturated fat and you will STILL get a very shitty lipid profile.

So a very bad lipid profile with high ldl and rock bottom hdl is a SIGNIFICANT risk factor for aterial plaque build up and heart disease. As a side....anyone that thinks "Arny" only got his aortic valve done doesn't have a clue. I know for a fact that he had a coronary bypass as I have seen the memos from the members of the heart team that did his operation.

True there are other risk factors for heart disease but this is a big one and well documented as well.

HEW!!! Next ...short cycles limit other side effects like hair loss, acne, high Blood pressure and resulting kidney stress, testicular shrinkage and poor HPTA rebound.

Also short cycles are a heck of a lot easier on the old liver especially if 17aa orals are used....got to love d-bol he he he !

WHAT SHORT CYCLES ARE NOT

Short cycles will not result in bigger gains. Short cycles will not allow one to be competive in todays national level competitions. Short cycles will not give you 30 pounds of bulk at one time.

WHAT SHORT CYCLES CAN DO

Short cycles can give you decent gains that are FAR better than what you could attain to as a natural. Gains of 10 pounds are not infrequently kept form a short cycle with the novice or those that are not at least very close to their natural maximum weight.

Short cycles will allow a much quicker HPTA recovery than a long cycle and this allows one to kepp a higher percentage of ones gains. In fact full testosterone rebound often happens in but a week. Gains often continue in the weeks after the short cycle is over simply because ones natural test production often jumps a little higher than normal becuase the pituitary really hammers out the LH and the testes have not shunk.
My natural test production is quite good for a man of 38 at 550. I tested my test level a week after I stopped a 14 day cycle and it had rebonded to 650 from the immediate pre cycle 550. On day 15 it was down to 54!

How many of you have experienced gains AFTER coming off a 8 weeker...not a one I would say.

Lets face it, if you gain 25 -30 pouns of bulk in a long cycle you sure the hell aren't going to be able to hang onto more than 15 of those pounds over the next 6 months unless you were WAY WAY under your potential to begin with.

BEFORE DOING SHORT CYCLES.....

learn how to train and gain WITHOUT steroids. This is critical! IF one knows how to train without gear then adding a small amount of gear over a short period of time can result in great gains.
Trouble is almost nobody knows how to gain without steroids so they do the large doses over long periods of time to compensate for their chronic over training and poor training, sleeping habits.

Thanks for posting this, very very informative. This should be a thread in itself.

 

[Jimmyhoffa59]

Amazing info man. Thanks for that lengthy reply, well said. On that note alone I will incorporate this info into my own plans. I was told aromasin helps keep your lipid levels better than adex, and raises free test. I can completely agree a lot of people run to gear to do the work for them, they are wrong, and also the ones who lose everything post cycle.

 

[MythotiK]

Amazing info man. Thanks for that lengthy reply, well said. On that note alone I will incorporate this info into my own plans. I was told aromasin helps keep your lipid levels better than adex, and raises free test. I can completely agree a lot of people run to gear to do the work for them, they are wrong, and also the ones who lose everything post cycle.

I would bet that over 75% lose most of their hard earned gains, just my opinion though

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Your absolutely right about that. Training without anabolics is completely different. More time off with regards to recovery is expected. Also strength training is key

 

[shredded]

Ok, I would like MESO's help on this

As you may know I now run short 8 week cycles per Millard (thank you for the suggestion and knowledge)...

I am planning on running:

Weeks 1-8 - Test Prop @ 400mg/Weekly
Weeks 1-6 - Tbol @ 40mg/ED
Weeks 1-6 - Anavar @ 40mg/ED

Torem as needed for sensitive nips (not gyno prone), yes Torem works for this...
Nolva @ 10-14 days after last pin (Depending on bloods)

Since I now run short cycles, is 400 a week enough of Test Prop?, I am running Tbol and Var together

-Myth-

I've never run HCG, call me old fashioned, and my levels come back fairly quickly...

Hey mate just some advice if I could, bloods are the only way to now weather you are recovered, now I don't care if everyone negs me on this board because its your health im interested in, you got most bits right in short cycles with regards to lipid profile damage eg bad/ good . But station's can play a part although its not the best move.

Still this tells me your know idiot no offences meant, can I suggest that even with short cycles with short esters it will only take 3 days for LH production to cease and in effect you will be shut down from day 3 Fact, HCG is a must and bloods are the only way to indicate if you are recovered or not, do not be fooled buy sex drive.

I hope no offence was taken im just trying to offer up all the things I've learned along the way.

 

[dper726]

what are your goals out of this cycle run @MythotiK

 

[MythotiK]

Hey mate just some advice if I could, bloods are the only way to now weather you are recovered, now I don't care if everyone negs me on this board because its your health im interested in, you got most bits right in short cycles with regards to lipid profile damage eg bad/ good . But station's can play a part although its not the best move.

Still this tells me your know idiot no offences meant, can I suggest that even with short cycles with short esters it will only take 3 days for LH production to cease and in effect you will be shut down from day 3 Fact, HCG is a must and bloods are the only way to indicate if you are recovered or not, do not be fooled buy sex drive.

I hope no offence was taken im just trying to offer up all the things I've learned along the way.

I have only done one cycle without bloods, I was just giving a specific range to my PCT...

 

[MythotiK]

what are your goals out of this cycle run @MythotiK

10-15 pounds lean mass, I had a great run on my last cycle (Test E, Tbol, Var) but I hate the water weight associated with long esters, hence the prop...Tren is not an option, not worth it in my opinion (long term damage)...

 

[shredded]

I have only done one cycle without bloods, I was just giving a specific range to my PCT...

Cheers mate thanks for your reply, but could I suggest your PCT would have been better with HCG. Anyway thanks for your input if you feel like you have recovered then who am I to ague with that.

 

[greenddog1]

Myth,
Great post for all. As we age we accumulate plaque and the times on cycle we are opening up the doors of our own natural protection, which enhances the accumulation. Sadly, we can't always be superman forever, it will catch up to you, sooner or later. Wise to think it through as you have.

 

[nophat]

Well put myth.
I run short cycles also.
I had a Freind doing a cycle. Her ran tren e 3 weeks after cycle he was still haveing sides. I run tren a after 4 days I'm back to normal.
Short cycles are the way to!!
Recovery time is huge when cycle is over.
And the gains for me on short cycles. Work perfect. Well said myth.

 

[Eloquence]

damnit myth!!!

Everything you say makes so much sense! Now I dont want to do a 12 weeks cycle, i want to go to 8. My only issue is that i have test eth.

would it be worth it to drop it to 8 weeks but frontload it.obviously the long ester will linger longer then prop, but im all about long term safety and health.

 

[MythotiK]

Short cycles will work with all compounds

 

[Capt Forest]

In for this. Let us know what lab/labs you pick.

 

[alphastrength50]

subbed man

 

[4leafclover]

I get your cholesterol reasoning, but the gains loss on long cycles, I haven't experienced. I do 18 week cycles currently, and spend the rest of the year off. The only loss I notice is vascularity and recovery time (and I can't eat as bad off cycle). Some strength is lost when I come off Dbol, but not much. Of course I lose the water weight, but it's less than 5 lbs (I work outside, so I don't retain that much water anyways).

I feel like the longer cycles allow my body to get used to the gains, and help me keep them. I also spend more time off cycle, so I lessen my long term damage. Maybe you like to cycle more per year, and this is your way of keeping the damage lower?

Your cycle looks good for a short one, was going to suggest tren, but you ruled that out.

 

[goodguygreg]

Thanks myth.. may have to go back to drawing board and shorten my next run

 

[flexx89]

tbol/var = sounds like an awesome combo. let us know how the synergy is, thanks for the educating posts also

 

[flenser]

I thought one of the advantages of short cycles was the ability to safely run higher doses. Gain wise, that seems to be the ONLY advantage. With that in mind 400mg/week prop seems sort of low especially considering your last run was at 500mg/week.

 

[tileguy123]

Myth ill be watchn this cycle closely. Im planning a short ester cycle as well. I might use Test e/ p from the jump but drop that long ester a 4 weeks in. . . are there any advantages of extending to 10 weeks? Also how long is NPP take to clear , is deca prop clear as fast as TP? I heard its still got those very suppressive qualities.
Also myth, have you beat that elbow pain yet?