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I've been running naps bayer test e 500mg split in 2 shots for about 6 weeks. Just started another source npp about a week before blood.

These are basically the same results I got from spetz bayer. Not exactly happy w results

On a high note @pharmacist adex is still keeping me in check. .5mg 3x a week.

@Masterchief07 @Boilermech

I'm switching over to his other bayer Amps he sent me that were different shaped and will get bloods in a few weeks
 

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Well, that being said, these numbers may be okay. According to @Dr JIM, 24hrs (+-12hrs) should yield your peak, which should be anywhere from 8-12 times. Your readings are 7.8 times at 20 hours. It could very well have gone up a little more.

At least we know there is something is these amps. I am curious to know how the longer shaped ones fare, ie, the ones I am taking now. I'll probably have my bloods for those before you on those, but never hurts to compare. I am only doing 250 per week, and because I am NOT on HRT and my doc wrote me the script for my blood work, I am not going to be able to take the bloods within the peak hours. We shall see.
 
Masterchief07 said:
Well, that being said, these numbers may be okay. According to @Dr JIM, 24hrs (+-12hrs) should yield your peak, which should be anywhere from 8-12 times. Your readings are 7.8 times at 20 hours. It could very well have gone up a little more.

At least we know there is something is these amps. I am curious to know how the longer shaped ones fare, ie, the ones I am taking now. I'll probably have my bloods for those before you on those, but never hurts to compare. I am only doing 250 per week, and because I am NOT on HRT and my doc wrote me the script for my blood work, I am not going to be able to take the bloods within the peak hours. We shall see.
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It may be 7.8 for the 250mg shot but from my understanding the bloods should be higher because of the built up testosterone from running 500/week.

I've seen trt patients w 1,100 on 150mg split in 2. So I'd assume 500 should be much higher
 
I did Test-E 200mg/week split into two injections a week. This was due to the gear being underdosed at 100mg/ml instead of 300mg/ml. The results still came back at >1500ng/dL. The blood was drawn 72h after the last injection. So it would be fair to say the rule for estimating levels should take into account the weekly dosage not the dosage of the last injection.
 
Huh, I'm kind of contemplating switching back to my EuroChem Labs TestE. Maybe I'll schedule my bloods for next week, post injection, just to see if these other amps are better. Would be furious if for the second time I've gotten underdosed crap.
 
lucabratzi said:
I've been running naps bayer test e 500mg split in 2 shots for about 6 weeks. Just started another source npp about a week before blood.

These are basically the same results I got from spetz bayer. Not exactly happy w results

On a high note @pharmacist adex is still keeping me in check. .5mg 3x a week.

@Masterchief07 @Boilermech

I'm switching over to his other bayer Amps he sent me that were different shaped and will get bloods in a few weeks
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Shit!!! Thanks for getting this done but SHIT!!! I was hoping for better results. I'm debating whether to even run mine now. Maybe I'll use it for my TRT. SHIT!!! Ok I'm done with the cursing. SHIT!!! That was the last one, lol.
 
Boilermech said:
Shit!!! Thanks for getting this done but SHIT!!! I was hoping for better results. I'm debating whether to even run mine now. Maybe I'll use it for my TRT. SHIT!!! Ok I'm done with the cursing. SHIT!!! That was the last one, lol.
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Yea it's frustrating as hell. Might as well run it though. Id run at least 3 amps though. I feel good on what I've been running. But 3 amps would be better.
 
lucabratzi said:
Yea it's frustrating as hell. Might as well run it though. Id run at least 3 amps though. I feel good on what I've been running. But 3 amps would be better.
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Yeah I'm sure I'll run it but I'll run 1g a week when I run these. I'm currently running 900mg of Ultimate test E right now and if your results would have came back better I was going to pitch the ultimate test and run these but oh well I only have a week or so to go before I get bloods so I'll wait and see where I'm at before I decide.
 
I just posted this in another thread, but this is extremely relevant to your concerns as well. Copy & pasted from the other thread.

I actually was reading through studies on ncbi pub med on testosterone enanthate the other day and came across a study that showed that genetic variation in the PDE7B gene was associated with varying serum levels of testosterone. The study gave a 500 mg test-e injection and then sampled 2 days later. Individuals homozygous for PDE7B rs7774640 G allele had a smaller increase (2.5-fold) in the serum testosterone levels compared with carriers of the A allele (3.9-fold, P=0.0006).

Here is the conclusion of the article (copy & pasted) :

We have shown that PDE7B is involved in the hydrolysis of testosterone enanthate and that genetic variation in the PDE7B gene is a determinant of the systemic levels of testosterone after administration of testosterone enanthate. It is reasonable to believe that the genetic variation in testosterone bioavailability may be correlated to varying effects of this androgen, whether it is used for replacement therapy or abused in doping. Thus our results may be important to consider in doping test programmes and in therapeutics with androgens and other esterified drugs.


So it looks like there is quite a large variation just based off this one gene variation that can account for a massive difference in blood testosterone levels, from the exact same dosage. 2.5 FOLD increase VS 3.9 FOLD increase -- Quite significant.

So obviously there is no hard & fast "rule" for this much injected = this much blood level. And this was just ONE genetic factor that caused such a big difference. Extrapolating on that, imagine if there are many OTHER factors that lead to significant differences. Based on that, showing ONE blood test, taken at ONE single time, that does indeed show levels BEYOND the normal maximum, doesn't really prove a whole lot.

Here's the address to read the study yourself.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21383644
 
Personally it has no effect on me. I just thought it was very intriguing that just one gene variation could cause that much of a blood level difference. I see people all over on forums arguing about this blood = that mg injected, blah blah blah. I find it difficult to believe our bodies are that simple and this study proves that suspicion to be somewhat true. What if we find there are many other factors that cause differences of that magnitude. People are probably throwing away perfectly good gear or trashing a good lab because it failed some simple rule like that. The only true way to know is to test the actual gear itself with high end equipment to see the actual mg/ml levels.
 
Yeah 4x seems pretty low. I've read about a bunch of trt guys that get more results like that on pharma but I'd still be bummed for sure. Just have to up the dose I guess, sorry man.
 
lucabratzi said:
I've been running naps bayer test e 500mg split in 2 shots for about 6 weeks. Just started another source npp about a week before blood.

These are basically the same results I got from spetz bayer. Not exactly happy w results

On a high note @pharmacist adex is still keeping me in check. .5mg 3x a week.

@Masterchief07 @Boilermech

I'm switching over to his other bayer Amps he sent me that were different shaped and will get bloods in a few weeks
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very similar to my results
 
I get about those numbers on 200 mg/ cyp a week and anastrozole.

Either those are fake or you require about 400 mg testosterone for TRT. I think the former is more likely.
 
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