Naps / Geneza Test E - Check it!

[norfl33t]

Naps / Geneza Test E. Part of my most recent order from NapsGear. I do have limited experience with Naps and have been happy with what I received. This was the first (hopefully of many) of a fairly sizable order from Naps. The yellow tinted vs clear coloring is very prominent and is also what concerns me. These images were submitted to Naps via email and a customer support ticket. After 2 (basically incoherent) responses from Naps customer support I recieved a 3rd from an "Admin" stating:

"Hello,

The water like color and look is very common for this particular synthetic carrier we are using. This our know how. You will see how smooth the injections are.

As for different color tint within the same batch it has nothing to do with product concentration. You can do a HPLC lab test or bloodwork to make sure. For some reason this particular MCT can change the tint if the product is stored in different warehouses and the storage conditions are slightly different. Meaning + or - a few degrees and the tint may change. This is absolutely normal for this carrier oil.

Kind Regards,
Admin"

My issue is this: If they exclusively use MTC Oil as the primary carrier and these vials are produced in the same warehouse at the same time and they all carry the same Lot #, why is there no consistency? The variables are all the same but some are yellow tinted and some are clear as water.

Unfortunately, HPLC testing is prohibitively expensive (was quoted ~$2000.00 from avomeen.com). My labs wont be a true representation of the clear vial test e because I have already started pinning the yellow vials.

I have searched the forums for mention of this and have found a few responses but nothing that gives a clear and well informed answer as to why this is. Ill be the first to admit I dont have a huge amount of experience so please, any info or personal experience with this sort of thing would be greatly appreciated.

- norfl33t

 

[voltron111]

My test e was clear as well. It's the mct oil they use that gives it a clear look. So says naps. What batch number is that. Mine was underdosed pretty bad

 

[DrJekyll]

If I'm not mistaken I have the same batch as @voltron111 and mine was properly dosed. I think this would explain why there are two different colors for you. It seems to me that they put multiple batches under the same lot number. @norfl33t

 

[norfl33t]

@voltron111, @crofthths,

Thanks for the responses. My Lot # is GP043H EXP 03/2017.

Unfortunately, I/we have no way of verifying potency at the moment. My plan is to either A) find an affordable lab with HPLC testing (good luck) or B) wait until my next cycle where I will do labs prior to and during; using only the clear vials. Regardless of when that happens I will be posting the results on this thread so keep watch.

 

[kaizoku]

All my Naps Test E is clear as well.

 

[voltron111]

get two lab max kits and run the one with better results.

 

[norfl33t]

@voltron111,

Ive considered labmax but from what I understand it only resolves the question of IF test e is present not the potency question. I will probably do a labmax test along with bloods when the time comes.

Side note: I noticed @naps is offering to put his money where his mouth is re Geneza Test E / Cyp :

Thread:
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/bloodwork-geneza-test-c-250.134363050/

Quote:

dascom, sorry for posting this here but I thought it would be interesting for many.

Anyone else doubting Geneza and willing to do a blood test can place an order for 4 vials of GP Test E or Cyp and receive it free of charge. To make sure I don't know about the products you order and don't send you a "better sample" on purpose please pay your order first like it's a real order.

After the bloods are done, post it here on meso, let the me know your order number and I will send your cash back.

I can accept 20 members (more if needed). Contact our rep - Naps-Support, he will confirm the list of 20 members.

I find that highly a respectable way to do business. Especially in this arena where so much rides on what happens after the sale. Not only is it obvious he is an active member of the board (which means just as much to me as the offer itself), he made the offer UN-coerced. I hope he gets the 20 members and they in turn post the bloods. The only way to verify all this is to actually do the legwork. I would do it myself but its not in the budget at the moment. All these fresh salmon filets sweet potatoes and chocolate milk get priority if ya know what im sayin!

 

[Supermansson11]

Keep us posted bro.I've never had bad expierences with naps.I got a good size order landing this week and next hopefully.I'll post pics.once I receive the goods.

 

[dnoyez]

Just to add I have gp prop and it is clear as well...

 

[norfl33t]

@Supermansson11,

Absolutely will be posting follow up. Definitely post your pics when your order arrives.

@dnoyez,

Appreciate the input bro, how many vials? All the same color?

 

[dnoyez]

Three vials all the same.Clear.Ive also in the past had gp test e and all clear as well.Used the test e for 12 weeks.Was skeptic as they were clear but they did what I needed.

 

[Skywalker]

I also have some good ole' Geneza Test E up in a dark closet right now but it's also clear. Going to be running a labmax before I use it.. Which is hopefully soon.

But I bought this stuff sometime last year.

 

[dnoyez]

I had mine in 2013.Ithink its eo?I might be wrong.

 

[norfl33t]

I have pinned a few doses of these clear test e's just for curiosity sake. The most obvious and notable difference between the yellow and clear is PIP following injection. Almost NO PIP immediately after or days following vs "normal" PIP following yellow. That could mean a few different things.

From what I understand PIP is mainly attributed to four things. Poor injection technique, ester length, solvent used in carrier oil, concentration of gear.

For clarity and consistency sake, I can assure you that my technique for injecting (length & gauge of pin, sterile technique, slow push approx 1 min, rotating injection sites & slightly warmed (not cold) oil is standard throughout.

Ester length for test enathate is eight carbons. This is standard throughout.

This leaves solvent and concentration. Naps Admin (above) states the carrier oil is MTC (medium chain triglyceride) oil but makes no mention of solvent.

Concentration is the last alternative. This cannot be measured specifically without bloods using ONLY Naps Geneza Test E (clear) or HPLC lab testing. Labmax will be done at the time bloods are done.

Its not much but the almost non existent PIP of the clear test E is very telling IMO. It narrows things down quite a bit. Stay tuned.

 

[norfl33t]

@Skywalker,

If you do labmax on your test e please post results here or in your own thread! Very curious.

 

[kaizoku]

Mine was opposite.

Horrible PIP from clear test e. To the point of people asking me why I was always limping.

 

[Skywalker]

@Skywalker,

If you do labmax on your test e please post results here or in your own thread! Very curious.

Of course. I always post the stuff I think that will help the community. Will definitely be putting it into the lab testing forum of the site.

Not like it will prove anything, but it's a start.

 

[MajorMFGains]

I have pinned a few doses of these clear test e's just for curiosity sake. The most obvious and notable difference between the yellow and clear is PIP following injection. Almost NO PIP immediately after or days following vs "normal" PIP following yellow. That could mean a few different things.

Its not much but the almost non existent PIP of the clear test E is very telling IMO. It narrows things down quite a bit. Stay tuned.

Been following this thread for awhile as i also have reviewed the same batch # as you GP043H clear vial. Hoping this will clear some skepticism.

 

[Skywalker]

Been following this thread for awhile as i also have reviewed the same batch # as you GP043H clear vial. Hoping this will clear some skepticism.

Welcome to meso major gains.. Sorry to bust your chops, but how the fuck does your post clear anyone's skepticism? You said yours is clear and now everything is good? Lol..

 

[MajorMFGains]

Welcome to meso major gains.. Sorry to bust your chops, but how the fuck does your post clear anyone's skepticism? You said yours is clear and now everything is good? Lol..

Thanks for the warm welcome, let me clarify. I hope norfl33t's lab result will clear MY skepticism because mine is clear as well.