Need advice for Third Cycle (TEST AND PRIMO)

[Snake_87]

Hi guys, i wanted to start a new cycle in may 2025... it would be a lean and dry bulk cycle, with test and primo. Only two cycles before that.

TEST E (Weeks 1-16): 600 mg per week (300 mg monday morning and 300 mg thursday evening);
PRIMO E (weeks 1-16): 500 mg per week (250 mg monday morning and 250 mg thursday evening);
WINSTROL (weeks 1-6): 40 mg ed to kickstart;
PROVIRON (weeks 1-16): 25 mg ed to enhance free test;
HCG (weeks 1-12): 500 UI x3 times per week, monday, wednesday and friday;
Telmisartan and statin on hand to manage bp and HDL/LDL ratio, if needed

now i need your help to calculate pct timing and dosages.... so if at the end of the cycle i am on 1100 mg of total gear, i need to calculate: 1100 --- 550 --- 275 --- 137,5 --- 68,75 --- 34,375 so i should wait 5 times the half life of the enantate ester, that is 25 days, let's say for weeks before starting pct, and start hcg 3 weeks earlier, is that correct?

So i should do

week 17: mothing
weeks 18-20: HCG 2000 UI EOD
weeks 21-26: Clomid 100/100/50/50/25/25 and Nolvadex 40/40/40/20/20/20.

What do you think about that?

My stats: 37 years old, 81 kg (178,5 pounds), 172 cm (5 feet and 7.7 inches), body fat around 15%, first cycle test e only for 16 weeks between november 2023 and february 2024, second cycle 12 weeks between may and august 2024) test p 400 mg per week, mast p 400 mg per week and winstrol 40 mg ed (weeks 1-4).
Side effects, just mood swings and ed (just for 2 or 3 weeks) after the second cycle, for wrong pct timing and or dosage, and because i started the second cycle too early after the first i think...

My diet on bulk, around 3500-3700 kcal per day, 40% carbs, 40% protein and 20% fats

 

[Liter O' Test]

why pct?

 

[DugPrime]

PCT = Pussy Crazily Terrorized

You shouldn't be terrorized about suppressing your natural production buddy, and the overall cycle is pretty weird.

IMO, just stick to Primo/Test, drop all the rest, and cruise between cycles.

 

[Snake_87]

Ok well... i wanted to pct to restart my own t production, and also to protect testicle size and fertility.... do you guys blast and cruise? Don't worried about testicles and/or fertility?

 

[DugPrime]

Ok well... i wanted to pct to restart my own t production, and also to protect testicle size and fertility.... do you guys blast and cruise? Don't worried about testicles and/or fertility?

You want kids between each cycles? If not, it's not a concern, once you want kids in a few years, you can do a PCT with HCG, and once your girl is pregnant, you go back on BnC, but doing a PCT between each cycle is a waste of time, waste of gains, waste of money, and waste of health.

You can even have kids on a blast, only by running HCG for a few weeks, fertility is not a concern at all.

 

[1Megaman]

Have you ran test and primo before? That ratio would crash my e2, I would start with the primo at like 300mg and pull bloods. I would drop the proviron and run the winny at the end. Why PCT? You planning on having kids still? I am a B&C guy so can comment on that.

 

[krvuxn]

I would say that that’s too many drugs for someone at your height and weight. You’re taking more than me and I’m 6ft 123kg.

I’d do your second cycle again, but push the food and training harder. Don’t take any orals this time. Food is the key. 800mg of drugs should be more than enough at your weight.

 

[Liter O' Test]

you want to shut off your natural testosterone production and turn it on again using various pharmaceuticals over and over again because you want your balls to be large? are you trying to have a child soon? infertility is not guaranteed or permanent

 

[Snake_87]

Hei guys, thamk you for your help, so appreciated.
I have a girlfriend, we don't talk about having kids, but we could want it one day... and as far as i know, the more you are in gear, the more is difficult to restore fertility.... and i believe that after some years of BnC, it becomes a lifetime deal, because it is pretty hard to restart HPTA and endogenous T if you decide later to come off.... but it's just my "pshycological block) i guess.

When you guys BnC do you take a conservative dosage of HCG? Let's say 250-500 UI three times per week? or you simply don't care about it?

I saw a video of VigorousSteve where he talks about desensitization induced by hcg usage... so is it useless on BnC? or desensitization occurs just at higher dosages?

 

[Liter O' Test]

Hei guys, thamk you for your help, so appreciated.
I have a girlfriend, we don't talk about having kids, but we could want it one day... and as far as i know, the more you are in gear, the more is difficult to restore fertility.... and i believe that after some years of BnC, it becomes a lifetime deal, because it is pretty hard to restart HPTA and endogenous T if you decide later to come off.... but it's just my "pshycological block) i guess.

When you guys BnC do you take a conservative dosage of HCG? Let's say 250-500 UI three times per week? or you simply don't care about it?

I saw a video of VigorousSteve where he talks about desensitization induced by hcg usage... so is it useless on BnC? or desensitization occurs just at higher dosages?

get a spermogram if youre so worried about it, but ive never heard of anyone permanently sterilizing themselves from gear. you could be potent on gear and worrying about nothing.

 

[Snake_87]

Just a few questions if i decide to blast and cruise...

1) is 150 mg test enough in cruise?
2) blast frequency? i don't think to do more than one blast per year... is ok to do 16 weeks blast and 36 weeks cruise?
3) so according to your advices, i could do:

BLAST 16 weeks: 500mg test per week and 400mg primo per week... maybe start from 300mg to be safe i don't crush e2

CRUISE 36 weeks: 150 mg test per week

4) should i take 250-300 UI HCG x3 times per week (mon, wed, fri)? should i take it both in blast an cruise? is there a risk of desensitization at this dosage?

Thank you guys...

 

[JACNZPP]

Hei guys, thamk you for your help, so appreciated.
I have a girlfriend, we don't talk about having kids, but we could want it one day... and as far as i know, the more you are in gear, the more is difficult to restore fertility.... and i believe that after some years of BnC, it becomes a lifetime deal, because it is pretty hard to restart HPTA and endogenous T if you decide later to come off.... but it's just my "pshycological block) i guess.

When you guys BnC do you take a conservative dosage of HCG? Let's say 250-500 UI three times per week? or you simply don't care about it?

I saw a video of VigorousSteve where he talks about desensitization induced by hcg usage... so is it useless on BnC? or desensitization occurs just at higher dosages?

I managed to get my Mrs pregnant both times while I was mid-cycle! Thought I was in the clear because I was on Tren—guess I should’ve read the fine print. Now I’ve got two kids, no time for myself, and about three hours of sleep each night. Who knew Tren came with another side…parenthood?

And yes, they’re both mine! They only look like me—pasty as a fuck—while my wife is dark brown.

And just to clear up any doubts, my closest male relative is on the other side of the globe.

 

[Snake_87]

Thank you for sharing your experience, so appreciated.
I have a friend of mine that did few cycles, the last one test and eq, and now he has a very low sperm count and cannot make his wife pregnant... Everyone is different, but i think hcg, or hmg could hel a lot in mantaining fertility on cycle.

"
Just a few questions if i decide to blast and cruise...

1) is 150 mg test enough in cruise?
2) blast frequency? i don't think to do more than one blast per year... is ok to do 16 weeks blast and 36 weeks cruise?
3) so according to your advices, i could do:

BLAST 16 weeks: 500mg test per week and 400mg primo per week... maybe start from 300mg to be safe i don't crush e2

CRUISE 36 weeks: 150 mg test per week

4) should i take 250-300 UI HCG x3 times per week (mon, wed, fri)? should i take it both in blast an cruise? is there a risk of desensitization at this dosage?

Thank you guys..."

Do you guys can give me some advice about this BnC plan?
Thank you so much

 

[vapor77]

Thank you for sharing your experience, so appreciated.
I have a friend of mine that did few cycles, the last one test and eq, and now he has a very low sperm count and cannot make his wife pregnant... Everyone is different, but i think hcg, or hmg could hel a lot in mantaining fertility on cycle.

"
Just a few questions if i decide to blast and cruise...

1) is 150 mg test enough in cruise?
2) blast frequency? i don't think to do more than one blast per year... is ok to do 16 weeks blast and 36 weeks cruise?
3) so according to your advices, i could do:

BLAST 16 weeks: 500mg test per week and 400mg primo per week... maybe start from 300mg to be safe i don't crush e2

CRUISE 36 weeks: 150 mg test per week

4) should i take 250-300 UI HCG x3 times per week (mon, wed, fri)? should i take it both in blast an cruise? is there a risk of desensitization at this dosage?

Thank you guys..."

Do you guys can give me some advice about this BnC plan?
Thank you so much

1. 150mg is a good starting point but get bloodwork during the cruise and make sure its putting you at normal to high normal test with e2 in range.
2. Time on = time off for the safest route.
3. Thats fine.
4. 250iu EoD is the usual plan but you could try MWF.