killinit88
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Win lol
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Need opinions
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boilerdawg
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Yes was working out for 9 months consistently but fell off hard went back to drinking everyday and diet went to shit. Just thought about doing that tonight the time it takes to get back where I was.
killinit88
New Member
We all been there brotha. Can only blame ourselves. Just put that chin up, forget the past and push forward
Clen sucks. On the risk/reward scale for fat loss ii may be the single worst tool at our disposal.
boilerdawg
New Member
You have any recommendations on what I could take along with better dieting.
boilerdawg
New Member
Not too bad injecting 1 cc. I’ve done 2cc if I haven’t taken any in an awhile and really ain’t that bad too me. It helps drawing your amount in the syringe then running hot water over it so the shot isn’t so thick.
DecaDuragoblin
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only 9 months? should have a better foundation than that before hopping on bud. at the end of the day though you're gonna whatever tf u want so my input prob doesnt matter lol
Being fat and being out of shape aren’t always the same thing — and it’s not always as simple as “just eat less and move more.”
Some people truly do eat right, train hard, do their cardio, hire coaches, track their macros, and still don’t lose a meaningful amount of fat. Genetics, hormones, age, metabolic adaptation — they all play a role. When you’re doing a lot of things right and your body just isn’t responding, it’s defeating, frustrating, and honestly depressing.
That’s usually when people start looking at other options — whether that’s clen, GLP-1s, or something else.
For me, tirzepatide combined with the bodybuilding lifestyle has helped clean up a lot of dead ends. It hasn’t replaced discipline — it’s supported it. I still train, still diet, still stay structured. But it’s made the process more manageable and sustainable.
That said, I genuinely respect the guys and women grinding it out the traditional way — dieting hard, doing cardio, hiring coaches, pushing through plateaus. I know how hard that road is, especially when progress is slow.
Different tools work for different people. At the end of the day, we’re all just trying to improve our health and physiques in the best way we can.
Some people truly do eat right, train hard, do their cardio, hire coaches, track their macros, and still don’t lose a meaningful amount of fat. Genetics, hormones, age, metabolic adaptation — they all play a role. When you’re doing a lot of things right and your body just isn’t responding, it’s defeating, frustrating, and honestly depressing.
That’s usually when people start looking at other options — whether that’s clen, GLP-1s, or something else.
For me, tirzepatide combined with the bodybuilding lifestyle has helped clean up a lot of dead ends. It hasn’t replaced discipline — it’s supported it. I still train, still diet, still stay structured. But it’s made the process more manageable and sustainable.
That said, I genuinely respect the guys and women grinding it out the traditional way — dieting hard, doing cardio, hiring coaches, pushing through plateaus. I know how hard that road is, especially when progress is slow.
Different tools work for different people. At the end of the day, we’re all just trying to improve our health and physiques in the best way we can.
adrenalytic
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Bullshit. Unless you have Hashimoto's. The laws of thermodynamics have yet to be disproven.
it's not bullshit, and if you're somebody who goes to the gym and sees the populace of people there and spend some time talking to them you would know that's not bullshit. there are many other factors that are at work aside from genetics there's insulin sensitivity, there's thyroid potential issues there it's not as easy as just not eating a lot and then going to the gym and doing cardio doesn't work for everybody.
monster8912
Member
Cope less work harder. Calories in vs calories out will always be undefeated.
adrenalytic
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I'm not going to argue over the basics of dieting and calories in vs. calories out. It's fundamentals are basic and accepted by the scientific community at large. I'll just say that the things you're "excusing" are all controlled by a healthy diet. And I did say excepting Hashimoto's which is a thyroid disorder. Most of the people at the gym are fat because they think they can out-exercise a bad diet. Spoiler alert: you can't.
I’m not disagreeing with anyone saying diet and training are the foundation. They absolutely are. But I think sometimes people underestimate that there are deeper layers for certain individuals.
In my case, I had my diet completely dialed in. I trained hard with weights, did cardio consistently, and worked under two very good coaches. Programs were tight. Compliance was tight. And no matter what, I hovered around 18–20% body fat. That wasn’t from lack of effort.
When I dug deeper, I found I had low testosterone and elevated estrogen. That mattered. Starting TRT was a turning point for me. It wasn’t about shortcuts — it was correcting a hormonal deficiency.
Then I addressed insulin sensitivity. Adding tirzepatide made a significant difference there. Once those two pieces were in place, everything changed. I’m now sitting around 9% body fat, maintaining it without killing myself, still training hard but not doing excessive cardio.
Could someone else get there with just “traditional” methods? Maybe. But for me, traditional methods alone didn’t work — and I gave them a real, disciplined run.
Sometimes it’s not about working harder. It’s about identifying the missing physiological pieces. The science isn’t wrong — but it’s also not one-size-fits-all.
That’s all I’m saying.
monster8912
Member
Theres a difference between training and going to the gym. Most fat ppl just go to the gym. Intensity is everything.
adrenalytic
Member
No you didn't or you would have lost fat.
Maybe not perceived effort but you say it yourself in your next sentence.
Ah, so you weren't giving it 100% were you? It doesn't matter that it was because you couldn't.
Desensitized due to bad diet.
So now calories in calories out started working? Or did you start working?
Look man, you're saying the right thing the wrong way. There can be underlying reasons as to why someone isn't giving full effort in the gym. That does not mean the rules of the system are wrong. It means you have root causes that need addressing and are preventing you from reaching your potential.
You didn't lose weight because you weren't expending more energy than you were taking in. It's really that simple and the only point I'm trying to make. You weren't expending more energy likely due to low T. Congrats on solving that issue. But don't excuse other people's shitty lifestyle. It just gives them a reason to quit or not try as hard.
Too many people think something is wrong with them physically when really it's just a lack of effort.
My urologist prescribed me this same protocol. I’ve never followed it. I think it’s just standard practice in their US medical field to do shots every 14 days.
I am prescribed 200mg every 14 days. I just split it up into 2x 50mg shots per week. My bloodwork is always on point and puts me in the 600-700ng/dl range with a nice high free.
When I cycle I typically do 300mg a week, I always add in NPP so I’m doing 3x injections weekly for 10-14 weeks before I drop back down to my TRT dose and get my bloodwork ~3 months later. If all is good rinse and repeat.
From your other comments I wouldn’t even attempt to blast until you fix diet/quit drinking and are consistent.
ha, ha “Look, ‘calories in vs. calories out’ is technically true… but it’s way oversimplified. The body is smart—it slows your metabolism, cranks up your hunger, and makes you move less when you try to eat less. Throw in hormones, age, and diet stuff, and suddenly 1,500–2,000 calories with cardio and lifting might not touch your fat. Basically, your body is like, ‘Nice try, buddy.’”
adrenalytic
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How does any of that negate the math? It doesn't. Done here. Can't dumb this down anymore for you.
I’m actually agreeing with you. I just pointed out that there are other variables that can make a difference. If that’s getting lost, no worries — we’re saying more or less the same thing. Adios.
