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[Cman90]

Being fat and being out of shape aren’t always the same thing — and it’s not always as simple as “just eat less and move more.”
Some people truly do eat right, train hard, do their cardio, hire coaches, track their macros, and still don’t lose a meaningful amount of fat. Genetics, hormones, age, metabolic adaptation — they all play a role. When you’re doing a lot of things right and your body just isn’t responding, it’s defeating, frustrating, and honestly depressing.
That’s usually when people start looking at other options — whether that’s clen, GLP-1s, or something else.
For me, tirzepatide combined with the bodybuilding lifestyle has helped clean up a lot of dead ends. It hasn’t replaced discipline — it’s supported it. I still train, still diet, still stay structured. But it’s made the process more manageable and sustainable.
That said, I genuinely respect the guys and women grinding it out the traditional way — dieting hard, doing cardio, hiring coaches, pushing through plateaus. I know how hard that road is, especially when progress is slow.
Different tools work for different people. At the end of the day, we’re all just trying to improve our health and physiques in the best way we can.

I’m not disagreeing with anyone saying diet and training are the foundation. They absolutely are. But I think sometimes people underestimate that there are deeper layers for certain individuals.
In my case, I had my diet completely dialed in. I trained hard with weights, did cardio consistently, and worked under two very good coaches. Programs were tight. Compliance was tight. And no matter what, I hovered around 18–20% body fat. That wasn’t from lack of effort.
When I dug deeper, I found I had low testosterone and elevated estrogen. That mattered. Starting TRT was a turning point for me. It wasn’t about shortcuts — it was correcting a hormonal deficiency.
Then I addressed insulin sensitivity. Adding tirzepatide made a significant difference there. Once those two pieces were in place, everything changed. I’m now sitting around 9% body fat, maintaining it without killing myself, still training hard but not doing excessive cardio.
Could someone else get there with just “traditional” methods? Maybe. But for me, traditional methods alone didn’t work — and I gave them a real, disciplined run.
Sometimes it’s not about working harder. It’s about identifying the missing physiological pieces. The science isn’t wrong — but it’s also not one-size-fits-all.
That’s all I’m saying.

ha, ha “Look, ‘calories in vs. calories out’ is technically true… but it’s way oversimplified. The body is smart—it slows your metabolism, cranks up your hunger, and makes you move less when you try to eat less. Throw in hormones, age, and diet stuff, and suddenly 1,500–2,000 calories with cardio and lifting might not touch your fat. Basically, your body is like, ‘Nice try, buddy.’”

I’m actually agreeing with you. I just pointed out that there are other variables that can make a difference. If that’s getting lost, no worries — we’re saying more or less the same thing. Adios.

This is all AI slop. No sense in arguing with this retard.

Atleast it said one reasonable thing, which I'm not sure why none of you bros mentioned to this poor guy earlier in this thread:

GLP-1's.

I'm sure you get the point by now clen is a bad idea, but Tirz or Reta can help with your diet and losing weight significantly and have great risk profiles. Yes you can do it without them, but they certainly help.