My girlfriend is currently taking winstrol. 5mg day and not to fond of the acne. This is her 4th week. She has been weight training for 4 years and follows a excellent diet. Thinking of starting her on some Deca 50mg/week. then eventually work it up to 100mg/week. What are some of your thoughts and recommendations for women using Deca. Any input greatly appreciated.
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I'll answer this querstion. My wife is an NPC bodybuilder and I coach her and several other women competing in bodybuilding, fitness and figure contests.
I'd like to know more about your girlfriend like age, weight, goals, diet (women need different diet approach than men). When it comes to steroids unless a woman is a National competititor or IFBB pro there is absolutely no need for her to use injectibles at all since the risk of androgenic build up is TOO HIGH and altough Deca is mild for men it can be huge problem for women. If she must use injectibles than Primo, Eq or Test Propionate once a week 50mg would be a good start, but again her best choice are ORAL Winstrol, Anavar and Primo if you can get the real thing.
As for Acne, well most of the time it's a temporary side effect and if you use Bactrim and Aloe Vera it usually helps alot.
I'd like to know more about your girlfriend like age, weight, goals, diet (women need different diet approach than men). When it comes to steroids unless a woman is a National competititor or IFBB pro there is absolutely no need for her to use injectibles at all since the risk of androgenic build up is TOO HIGH and altough Deca is mild for men it can be huge problem for women. If she must use injectibles than Primo, Eq or Test Propionate once a week 50mg would be a good start, but again her best choice are ORAL Winstrol, Anavar and Primo if you can get the real thing.
As for Acne, well most of the time it's a temporary side effect and if you use Bactrim and Aloe Vera it usually helps alot.
Well 118lbs at 5'4 is not bad at all. Be carefull with going to low on carbs for too long, because you are risking to slow down her metabolism. You shouldn't really go lower than 50 grams of carbs per day on low carb day and bump it up every 3 to 5 days to about 100-150 grams while at the same time decreasing her protein intake on high carb days.
If she wants to realy get leaner and harder (and alittle bigger) I'd go with something like this:
Week 1-4 : Winstrol 5mg per day (if no sides after a week I'd bump it to 10mg)
Week 5-8 : Anavar 10mg per day
Week 1-12: Clen/Eca Rotation. 1 week on 1 week off or 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
Cardio is as important.
But remember Nutrition is the number one priority.
Hope it helps, Good Luck!
If she wants to realy get leaner and harder (and alittle bigger) I'd go with something like this:
Week 1-4 : Winstrol 5mg per day (if no sides after a week I'd bump it to 10mg)
Week 5-8 : Anavar 10mg per day
Week 1-12: Clen/Eca Rotation. 1 week on 1 week off or 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
Cardio is as important.
But remember Nutrition is the number one priority.
Hope it helps, Good Luck!
Jewel
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Thanks for your input and help, robbie. It's helpful guys like you are what continues to make Meso a great board!
john_phillips
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Robbie
Hey Robbie, what would you suggest for a contest cycle for a figure contestant?
I have a friend who will be competing later this year. She's approx 5'6 and had a good deal of muscle, she weighs around 130 (pretty lean).
She wants to keep with clen, anavar and winnie (all oral). What type of 12 week cycle would you suggest?
thanks!
Jp
Hey Robbie, what would you suggest for a contest cycle for a figure contestant?
I have a friend who will be competing later this year. She's approx 5'6 and had a good deal of muscle, she weighs around 130 (pretty lean).
She wants to keep with clen, anavar and winnie (all oral). What type of 12 week cycle would you suggest?
thanks!
Jp
john_phillips said:
Well John I'd like to help you, but to be honest it's hard without seeing her. It's easy for me to give advise here for "recreational" bodybuilders and fitness girls but when it comes to contest prep it's a different approach. Whe I work with clients i like to see their pictures make nesessary commetns and decide what to do. At 5'6 and 130LBS she sounds pretty lean. I need to know if she cometed before, what "supplements" she used before, diet, nutrition, everything.
Tell her to E-Mail me at NJFITNESS2000@AOL.COM maybe I can help.
Regards,
Robbie
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VDC
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If you wish to talk to some ladies that use goto Gymjunkies,,,Girl Racer is on a Primo cycle now,,,BMF2 is one of our Admins there,,,She knows tons about ladies using,,,I always recommend anavar for the fems,,,VDC
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With all the respect VDC, yes Anavar is good and safe for women.
But mostly for begginers and "recreational" users. Women that want to compete need to utilize more "supplements" but yet to be careful and when it comes to sides every womam responds differently.
In my experience there many women that use Deca, Test even Tren but at what price? Yes they look big, hard and vascular but not all of them get to the pro ranks while there some women who are more successful and use very little supplements and rely more on nutrition and training. I think that unless a woman is a top NPC or IFBB competitor she has no business to inject anything but HGH (1 to 2 IU per day). The results if used properly will be great and risk VERY low.
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biffbiffington
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Robbie...those were great posts bro. Great way to express how sensitive the female body is to the male hormone. I have helped my wife through three cycles, when it is YOUR wife, you analize it exactly as you posted. I could not have said it better.
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graybass
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My Two cents
My Girl I'm training Just won Two national Qualifiers in two NJ state level compititions, and is going to the nationals in april. (figure) She did this with out any gear of any kind!(she tained like a hardcore BB for about 3 yrs.) Then she did the hardest precontest diet I could write for 12 wks. We did BF measuring every week and she droped 1 POINT EVERY WEEK. all this just being a hardnosed bitch! (about training) I think too many girls are looking for short cuts, you've got to lift heavy. In off season my girls do monster hard workout for size gaining ( training like a powerlifter/bodybuilder ) going up to one rep max, etc for size. and still train for size during diet so not to lose size! I always see natuarl girls diet off their muscle, big mistake! If girls insist upon gear you've got to stay with Anavar, Primo, Unless they want to get some virlization, it can not be avoided.(PS I hate Winny for women) Listen just my 2 cents but, Ive been training competition women for almost twenty years. don't hesitate to ask for help on the boards, we'll answer questions with minimum amount of flaming!LOL. (Oh yeah by the way, exwife won 8 major NPC shows in bodybuilding)
Sorry couldn't help bringing that up!
That Old Graybass
My Girl I'm training Just won Two national Qualifiers in two NJ state level compititions, and is going to the nationals in april. (figure) She did this with out any gear of any kind!(she tained like a hardcore BB for about 3 yrs.) Then she did the hardest precontest diet I could write for 12 wks. We did BF measuring every week and she droped 1 POINT EVERY WEEK. all this just being a hardnosed bitch! (about training) I think too many girls are looking for short cuts, you've got to lift heavy. In off season my girls do monster hard workout for size gaining ( training like a powerlifter/bodybuilder ) going up to one rep max, etc for size. and still train for size during diet so not to lose size! I always see natuarl girls diet off their muscle, big mistake! If girls insist upon gear you've got to stay with Anavar, Primo, Unless they want to get some virlization, it can not be avoided.(PS I hate Winny for women) Listen just my 2 cents but, Ive been training competition women for almost twenty years. don't hesitate to ask for help on the boards, we'll answer questions with minimum amount of flaming!LOL. (Oh yeah by the way, exwife won 8 major NPC shows in bodybuilding)
Sorry couldn't help bringing that up!
That Old Graybass
Graybass, while I do agree with you to a certain point that yes it is possible to win a National Qualifier without the use of AAS, and that hard work is very important, I do disagree with on other aspects and here they are:graybass said:
1. The girl that you worked with, was training for figure, where muscle size is not very relevant and it is mostly coditioning and that can be achieved through hard work, good diet and lots of cardio, but when you go to the Nationals it's a different game, remember that someone will turn PRO there so the competition is stiff and girls do use AAS, HGH, estrogen blockers and diuretics plus some have good genetics and work just as hard meaning they will beat your girl, so the natural route will NOT work there. You can not possibly compare National Qualifiers with Nationals which are Pro Qualifiers.
2. For you to suggest that Natural girls work harder is absolute nonsense since I know many NOT NATURAL girls who kill themself in the gym.
3. AAS is not shortcuts but absolute neccessasity if a girl wants to compete and do some damage and get to the Nationals with goal to win and not just compete.
4. You talked about figure, but if bring bodybuilding to the table than a woman that wants to succeed (and not just compete, thats easy), will need to supress her estrogen, she will need to use AAS because her body does not produce enough Testosterone to gain sufficient muscle size and she will need diuretics.
5. Again you can NOT compare National Qualifier with Nationals because anyone even completely out of shape can win a Qulifier since anyone can compete and it's a matter of who you competing agianst and who entered, sometimes it's just one person in the class, so she wins but does it mean she is good?
6. Your exwife won NPC shows, that great and I am sure she worked hard bt did she compete at the Nationals? If yes hod did she do?
The botom line is AAS have a place in compatitive Bodybuilding, Fitness and Figure and if you use them you have to be careful and keep in mind that Diet, Trianing and Cardio are as important but still the sad truth is that without AAS you wont go far in the sport and that is the truth. Still does not mean you need to load on every drug available.
This is not a flame my friend but just honest look in to the what it is required to do in order to compete and win. Anyone can compete at the local show and even win if the competition is not stiff but to advance than you better get familiar with AAS, Nolvadex and Dyazide.
Wow, what a brillant thread. Many good points too!
But As a chemist and contest prep coach (gotta brag a bit too-work with some big names at the top) there are some mis-conceptions here.
1st-Stanozolol (winny) should be taken orally in water-based form (amps or vial), not in tablet if at all possible. It is a 17a-a compound and the liver will pay the price heavly.
And why orally? Because first-any water based compound runs risk when IM'ed and when a water based oral Stanozolol is taken, it increase IGF-1 much more then any other delivery. And it really does not have much of a virl effect unless dosages is over 50 mgs (orally).
EOD is the best intake for females and no longer then six weeks at max!
2nd-remember, we are dealing with chemistry here, not guessing games!
These compounds will alter anyone's body/system. Since women deal with chemistry a bit diffirent, the approach must be more accute.
All the compounds listed above "can" work without any sides or virlization. But they must be taken in proper order. Anavar is best for a women though. Due to the high rate of ATP production, nothing works better or faster, or safer!
3-Nandrolones, Androgens, Anabolics, Anti-Estrogens and Diuretics are no childs play. Yes, girls can use some Nandrolones and Androgens for contest prep, but it is chemistry and who ever is doing the advisement better know what can be taken with what and more importantly, what can not be taken with what!
Otherwords, a women can use all these compounds safely, but only in a certain protocol. Or the sides will not stay at bay. It drives me nuts when I travel and see all these beautiful ladies doing bad chemistry! It shows in thier skin and in thier face/voice. I pity them. Nothing worse then some bad advice!
4-Genetics is the issue here. Do I believe one can win Nationals on genetics alone-NO!
Robbie has many vaild ponits! The playing field is too hard in today's competitive arena. But it is really a mixture of genetics, hard-work, food clen intake, proper chemistry and a little luck! Then once you turn Pro, one must start all over again. Life's a bitch! (no pun intended-really
I rarely post, but this one caught my eye. I do have personal intrest on this topic.....just wanted to sound off a bit lads....good luck and train smart.
But As a chemist and contest prep coach (gotta brag a bit too-work with some big names at the top) there are some mis-conceptions here.
1st-Stanozolol (winny) should be taken orally in water-based form (amps or vial), not in tablet if at all possible. It is a 17a-a compound and the liver will pay the price heavly.
And why orally? Because first-any water based compound runs risk when IM'ed and when a water based oral Stanozolol is taken, it increase IGF-1 much more then any other delivery. And it really does not have much of a virl effect unless dosages is over 50 mgs (orally).
EOD is the best intake for females and no longer then six weeks at max!
2nd-remember, we are dealing with chemistry here, not guessing games!
These compounds will alter anyone's body/system. Since women deal with chemistry a bit diffirent, the approach must be more accute.
All the compounds listed above "can" work without any sides or virlization. But they must be taken in proper order. Anavar is best for a women though. Due to the high rate of ATP production, nothing works better or faster, or safer!
3-Nandrolones, Androgens, Anabolics, Anti-Estrogens and Diuretics are no childs play. Yes, girls can use some Nandrolones and Androgens for contest prep, but it is chemistry and who ever is doing the advisement better know what can be taken with what and more importantly, what can not be taken with what!
Otherwords, a women can use all these compounds safely, but only in a certain protocol. Or the sides will not stay at bay. It drives me nuts when I travel and see all these beautiful ladies doing bad chemistry! It shows in thier skin and in thier face/voice. I pity them. Nothing worse then some bad advice!
4-Genetics is the issue here. Do I believe one can win Nationals on genetics alone-NO!
Robbie has many vaild ponits! The playing field is too hard in today's competitive arena. But it is really a mixture of genetics, hard-work, food clen intake, proper chemistry and a little luck! Then once you turn Pro, one must start all over again. Life's a bitch! (no pun intended-really
I rarely post, but this one caught my eye. I do have personal intrest on this topic.....just wanted to sound off a bit lads....good luck and train smart.
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graybass
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Wow some excellent points all over the place!! This is why I love this board.. Robbie, shoot me a PM, I'm from Jersey also, I bet we know alot of the same people. I was hoping to make some knowledgable friends in my area. Most people in my gyms (I work out of two Gyms in Jersey, one central, one south, and they are both fluff gyms) where I work as a Independent Personal Trainer/ Nutrictionist/ Psychoanalist. (LOL) 95% of the members are House wifes and business men. (not that thats a bad thing, good for business!)
Anyway, girls on aas should be reading this board! I tell all my "good" clients about it!
Peace Bros. GB
Wow some excellent points all over the place!! This is why I love this board.. Robbie, shoot me a PM, I'm from Jersey also, I bet we know alot of the same people. I was hoping to make some knowledgable friends in my area. Most people in my gyms (I work out of two Gyms in Jersey, one central, one south, and they are both fluff gyms) where I work as a Independent Personal Trainer/ Nutrictionist/ Psychoanalist. (LOL) 95% of the members are House wifes and business men. (not that thats a bad thing, good for business!)
Anyway, girls on aas should be reading this board! I tell all my "good" clients about it!
Peace Bros. GB
Very interesting point PROMATRIX, especially regarding Winstrol, yes it does put alot of stress on liver (in women and men), but to be honest with proper use and some level of protection ( Milk Thistle and/or Lv 52) I have not seen anyone really causing "sever" damage to their liver. Almost in all cases (unless there is ubuse) liver enzymes return to normal once the drug is discontiued.
Graybass you have PM.
Graybass you have PM.
Humm....true to some extent, but topple the liver with other 17-alfa-alkylated compounds and other AAS,duiretics,asprin,social drinking,,,,,,,toxins in our water and so forth, Returning to normal is not always the case. These compounds will alter the body to some extent, but yes your basically correct, most due return to normal.
Prevention is the best key. Because once the "bug" has bitten, they will strive for greatness at little cost or reguards for reasoning. Thus makes us thier keepers of health and sanity.............I have seen it a millon times!
Besides drinking Stanz' spikes IGF a bit more then an oral tablet. So it cuts risk while producing more with less headaches-we only get one liver!
Prevention is the best key. Because once the "bug" has bitten, they will strive for greatness at little cost or reguards for reasoning. Thus makes us thier keepers of health and sanity.............I have seen it a millon times!
Besides drinking Stanz' spikes IGF a bit more then an oral tablet. So it cuts risk while producing more with less headaches-we only get one liver!
