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Anabolic Steroids
never going off??
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ironcowboy
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Low HDL.
ironcowboy said:
i can live with that.
what do you guys do to prevent longterm sides?
right now im doing a month of 200mg test with nolva 40mg a day in an effort to "recover" i guess. is this a good idea or a waste of time? btw it seems like nolva is taking the bacne away. is that possible or just the lower test levels maybe
macattack
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WHY are you not coming off your going to screw yourself man, i've read about guys doing this and in the long run you end up having to stay on the juice just to get an erection better rethink things and take a break.
Too prevent long term sides?= PCT and staying off as long as your on and dont do long term cycles keep them short.
Too prevent long term sides?= PCT and staying off as long as your on and dont do long term cycles keep them short.
Snowblind said:
im 28, been working out religously since high school. like i said, pretty new to aas. about 2 yrs. ive been on cyp in various doses for most of the time. ive added in deca, d bol, winny, at times. love dbol
have had great gains about 30lbs of solid mass. always been a skinny bitch 6-8% body fat. 5'7" 185thanks in advance
Paulo
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easywin said:
That is not a recovery cycle. as long as you are introducing exogeneous test, you will not recover. Look up some post cycle therapy threads for further help.
Since you have been on so long, I would imagine that an HCG and Nolva regimine would be a good idea.
I am pretty tired right now otherwise I would say more.
lmk if you got other q's.
Paulo said:
ya, ive actually done alot of pct research in the past. clomid turned me into a bitch, and seemed to cause a lot of bacne. i hear several people on this board are satisfied with nolva only, but honestly since im still on 200mg test i knew i would never fully recover. i just dont want to lose the ability to eventually recover. plus keep estro down. thank you for your replies. bump for any opinions.
never going off
i'll probably get flamed for this- but i haven't been off in 4 years- i used to cycle, but coming on and off seems to be a great deal harder on my system than staying on. i do relatively low doses (mostly eq and test 300-500 mg/wk total), and my blood tests are completely normal (i'm 28 also) except for the increased testosterone levels. i have just had a relatively slow increase in lean mass over this time period (i was 6'3' 205 at 6% when i started, 215 @ 6% the next year, 225 @ 5% after 3 years, and i am currently 240 @ 5%. i am also doing growth hormone for the first time (6 iu's a day for 6 mos.)- so i am curious to see where i will be in 6 mos. a lot of guys on this board will espouse pct and breaks and very specific cycles, but there are also a lot of guys on here who never go off and won't admit it i think morepain put it best- "my cycle ends when their putting dirt over me in my grave"
i'll probably get flamed for this- but i haven't been off in 4 years- i used to cycle, but coming on and off seems to be a great deal harder on my system than staying on. i do relatively low doses (mostly eq and test 300-500 mg/wk total), and my blood tests are completely normal (i'm 28 also) except for the increased testosterone levels. i have just had a relatively slow increase in lean mass over this time period (i was 6'3' 205 at 6% when i started, 215 @ 6% the next year, 225 @ 5% after 3 years, and i am currently 240 @ 5%. i am also doing growth hormone for the first time (6 iu's a day for 6 mos.)- so i am curious to see where i will be in 6 mos. a lot of guys on this board will espouse pct and breaks and very specific cycles, but there are also a lot of guys on here who never go off and won't admit it
i think morepain put it best- "my cycle ends when their putting dirt over me in my grave"drl said:i'll probably get flamed for this- but i haven't been off in 4 years- i used to cycle, but coming on and off seems to be a great deal harder on my system than staying on. i do relatively low doses (mostly eq and test 300-500 mg/wk total), and my blood tests are completely normal (i'm 28 also) except for the increased testosterone levels. i have just had a relatively slow increase in lean mass over this time period (i was 6'3' 205 at 6% when i started, 215 @ 6% the next year, 225 @ 5% after 3 years, and i am currently 240 @ 5%. i am also doing growth hormone for the first time (6 iu's a day for 6 mos.)- so i am curious to see where i will be in 6 mos. a lot of guys on this board will espouse pct and breaks and very specific cycles, but there are also a lot of guys on here who never go off and won't admit it
ineresting, sure gives me something to think about.
good luck with the gh bro. keep us posted.
mkay... not a flame ...
boss, 185 lbs and been on for 2 years?
Come off the gear now. Do like the guys suggest: Do an HCG + clomid recovery plan.
Learn to eat. Learn to train. You should have mastered all this stuff before starting the gear, and my guess is 185? You didn't master the basics first. If you did, and 185 is your limit ... appologies. However, I can not believe that is your limit, unless you're a whopping 5'0" tall and 4% bf. In which case, wtg bro, you're a true hoss.
C'mon, this is why everyone discourages gear use. You've got to learn to grow and maximize yourself naturally first. Mastering the principles and maximizing naural growth first will allow you to enter freakdom after your first couple of cycles.
My opinion... come off the gear. Get some natural gains, then hit the sauce and train even harder. Soon enough you'll be the guy above posting at 240 something pounds and nil bodyfat.
boss, 185 lbs and been on for 2 years?
Come off the gear now. Do like the guys suggest: Do an HCG + clomid recovery plan.
Learn to eat. Learn to train. You should have mastered all this stuff before starting the gear, and my guess is 185? You didn't master the basics first. If you did, and 185 is your limit ... appologies. However, I can not believe that is your limit, unless you're a whopping 5'0" tall and 4% bf. In which case, wtg bro, you're a true hoss.
C'mon, this is why everyone discourages gear use. You've got to learn to grow and maximize yourself naturally first. Mastering the principles and maximizing naural growth first will allow you to enter freakdom after your first couple of cycles.
My opinion... come off the gear. Get some natural gains, then hit the sauce and train even harder. Soon enough you'll be the guy above posting at 240 something pounds and nil bodyfat.
I was on for about 4yrs with taking a break about once a month if even that. Everyone is different when it comes to using. I have never had any problems and my bllod has always been fine. But I have friends that are all messed up from doing stuiped things. If you are not training right or eatting right then you are wasting you time and money.
jorge said:
no offense taken, but like i said, ive been working out without fail since highschool. up through my junior year i wieghed in at 135lbs. i started working out and within problably 3 years i was at 155lbs. but that seemed to be a plateau for me natually. ive been on a very modest cycle for about 2 yrs. and gained a solid 30lbs. no complaints. very lean. ill post a pic if i can figure out how. and i am short 5'7"
plus, i will admit. i neglect my chicken legs from time to time. but i assure you i have the basics under control. that goes for training and nutrition.
anyhow, i think when i started this thread i was looking for someone to say its ok to "stay on" because my planned break was coming up. and i always get anxious or have second thoughts. within the 2 years ive attempted honest pct twice for about 2 months at a time. ive never had a problem keeping my wieght, just feel like shit, cant pump as hard, less vascular, not a sex machine anymore. i see it like everyone in the know, has stumbled onto this super hero fuel, its and advantage ive had over normal shmoes for two years. i cant see giving that up physically or emotionally. im rambling now, sorry. thanks for your opinoins.
tHe_ShOcKeR
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DO YOU STILL HAVE TESTICLES?!?!?!?!
tHe_ShOcKeR said:
right, ya there has been some atrophy there i think, i used to use hcg occasionally, but i didnt notice a difference. fuck it, its not like your dick shrinks.
lol anybody ever beened warned of the evils of steriods with the shrinking dick theory? good stuff. haha i love all the misconseptions people spout without any research at all
macattack
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easywin theres one thing thats been proven over and over again and that is staying on and cycling indenfinite WILL HARM you, many great bodybuilders have said so themselves we've learned from the pro's about alot of things and this is one of them.
If you get good HCG you'll notice a difference in testicle size within 24 hours you may have gotten bunk shit otherwise.
My first few cycles i did not want to come off and when i did i hated how i felt and how i lost size and strength it takes time to find what works well for for yourself after 6 cycles now i think i have found it but it wasn't without pains and alot of mental games.
SHOTGUNNING this is one mistake i made while on PCT i continued to take shots of test about 1,000mg a week within a short time i became toxic and got sick for about a week and my feet swole up to twice there normal size it scared the shit out of me .....
If you get good HCG you'll notice a difference in testicle size within 24 hours you may have gotten bunk shit otherwise.
My first few cycles i did not want to come off and when i did i hated how i felt and how i lost size and strength it takes time to find what works well for for yourself after 6 cycles now i think i have found it but it wasn't without pains and alot of mental games.
SHOTGUNNING this is one mistake i made while on PCT i continued to take shots of test about 1,000mg a week within a short time i became toxic and got sick for about a week and my feet swole up to twice there normal size it scared the shit out of me .....
guys been on for over a year and i have no problem with erections or nut shrinkage..lucky i guess..they hang just like they did before aas..i to have a hearder time in my off periods rather than staying on..but i don't go nuts on dosages either usually 750mg test and 400 of deca or eq..just some 02..not everyone sees the side effects of the ones i have read in this thread..
Freakness
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Any more info on the juice leading to that? My whole right leg from the knee down has been diagnosed with pitting adema and after many tests, MRI, ultrasound, exray, and blood tests they can't tell why. I've seen 4 doctors about it so far. It's not kidneys either, that was checked early. I can't walk more than 2 blocks without my legs giving out either. I haven't told the docs about the juice because they'll just automaticly blame it on that. After reading your post I'm starting to believe that is the case. What test can be clinicly done to determing if it is actually absolutely caused by the juice?
BTW this happened even on 500mg. test/ wk by itself.
HCG 2500iu EOD by day 12 I was up 28lb of WATER 
Never again without nolvadex.
Never again without nolvadex.
MJM
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Explain this better, will you bro?Thanks.
TheSpectre said:HCG 2500iu EOD by day 12 I was up 28lb of WATER
