never going off??

[TheSpectre]

Explain this better, will you bro?Thanks.

Was in the middle of a long d-bol cycle and wanted to boost my balls up. Took one amp 2500iu/every other day of HCG and by day 12 of this I had gained 28lb of water, a lot of it in my face! Couldn't even turn around in my car to look behind me and could hardly put on my seat belt.

 

[Southernjuice]

There are tons of medical problems that can be contributed to long term steroid use....seeing someone said pitting edema it made me think of a problem in particular. CHF...congestive heart failure....your heart is a muscle too....aas affect it as well...long term use causes the cardiac muscle to loose elasticity and enlarge. This decreases the contractibility which in turn causes a backup of fluid due to the hearts ineffectiveness at producing an adequate circulatory volume. Right sided heart failure will cause edema in the lower extremities whereas left sided failure will cause pulmonary edema.

 

[Silverback]

Bottom line is you need to come off sometime----(now I need to take my own advice) Which I am doing in 10 weeks!!!! yikes

 

[Southernjuice]

Bottom line is you need to come off sometime----(now I need to take my own advice) Which I am doing in 10 weeks!!!! yikes

I hear ya bro i'm actually a fan of looooooonggggggggggggg cycles 2!

 

[MJM]

Jesus how much Dbol were you using and what brand?How much of that did you keep?Damn that's a ton of weight.

Was in the middle of a long d-bol cycle and wanted to boost my balls up. Took one amp 2500iu/every other day of HCG and by day 12 of this I had gained 28lb of water, a lot of it in my face! Couldn't even turn around in my car to look behind me and could hardly put on my seat belt.

 

[TheSpectre]

Jesus how much Dbol were you using and what brand?How much of that did you keep?Damn that's a ton of weight.

Those old orange/yellow 80mg IP capsules. Too be honost I don't remember how much I've kept. I was 'off' for the last time (for more than two weeks) back in 2001 for 7 months. Haven't been off since beginning of 2002 for more than two weeks. That's just cuz I was too poor to buy anymore. Still hovering between 255/260 @9 or %10.

 

[Freakness]

There are tons of medical problems that can be contributed to long term steroid use....seeing someone said pitting edema it made me think of a problem in particular. CHF...congestive heart failure....your heart is a muscle too....aas affect it as well...long term use causes the cardiac muscle to loose elasticity and enlarge. This decreases the contractibility which in turn causes a backup of fluid due to the hearts ineffectiveness at producing an adequate circulatory volume. Right sided heart failure will cause edema in the lower extremities whereas left sided failure will cause pulmonary edema.

I thought that too, and I had every freakin test under the sun done. lol, after seeing internists, circulitory specialist, orthopedist, and endocrioligst, and they can't find anything. All I got was a script for some gay ass sock.

 

[Southernjuice]

I thought that too, and I had every freakin test under the sun done. lol, after seeing internists, circulitory specialist, orthopedist, and endocrioligst, and they can't find anything. All I got was a script for some gay ass sock.

I hear ya....TED hose and don't forget to elevate your feet often hahahahah. Could be alot of things bro.....could be a problem with lypmh

 

[Desibaba]

I dont think thats a smart idea bro.If you really like the juice that much then try cycles like this.Take about 4 months on and then take about 1-2 months off in between before starting up again.I would give your receptor sites a much needed break and let your hormonal system return back to normal.Also if you stay on the stuff for that long then taking mega doses of drugs is probably not such a good idea.Best of luck.

 

[TheSpectre]

I dont think thats a smart idea bro.If you really like the juice that much then try cycles like this.Take about 4 months on and then take about 1-2 months off in between before starting up again.I would give your receptor sites a much needed break and let your hormonal system return back to normal.Also if you stay on the stuff for that long then taking mega doses of drugs is probably not such a good idea.Best of luck.

I take low to moderate doses year round.

 

[spound]

Any more info on the juice leading to that? My whole right leg from the knee down has been diagnosed with pitting adema and after many tests, MRI, ultrasound, exray, and blood tests they can't tell why. I've seen 4 doctors about it so far. It's not kidneys either, that was checked early. I can't walk more than 2 blocks without my legs giving out either. I haven't told the docs about the juice because they'll just automaticly blame it on that. After reading your post I'm starting to believe that is the case. What test can be clinicly done to determing if it is actually absolutely caused by the juice?

BTW this happened even on 500mg. test/ wk by itself.

Man I had the same type of problem in highschool (before I had started AAS). My ankles would swell up real big if I was on my feet for too long and I would get all kind of aches and pains in my legs, but the doctors were never able to figure out what it was. WTF??? It finally got better after at least 6 months, but symptoms still lingered for a long time, just mildly, but then everything went away when I started the sauce...very weird

 

[dodah]

actually i have a friend that was just diagnosed with con. heart failure and cardio myopathy monday. could be due to steroid use can't say for sure, but my point is he took time off between cycles and he got the worst of the worst side effect. i have another friend that has been onn for years 3 at least and he has no problems as of yet. point is it is different from person to person..some can stay on some can't..

 

[Grizzly]

I dont think thats a smart idea bro.If you really like the juice that much then try cycles like this.Take about 4 months on and then take about 1-2 months off in between before starting up again.I would give your receptor sites a much needed break .

Have you learned nothing in the two years you've been here?

 

[easywin]

There are tons of medical problems that can be contributed to long term steroid use....seeing someone said pitting edema it made me think of a problem in particular. CHF...congestive heart failure....your heart is a muscle too....aas affect it as well...long term use causes the cardiac muscle to loose elasticity and enlarge. This decreases the contractibility which in turn causes a backup of fluid due to the hearts ineffectiveness at producing an adequate circulatory volume. Right sided heart failure will cause edema in the lower extremities whereas left sided failure will cause pulmonary edema.[/QUOT

ya, thats scary
fresh receptor sites also sounds beneficial
break time it is....well, end of august.

 

[Grizzly]

Too bad the receptor site thing is hogwash!

 

[macattack]

When i had the edema i went in and saw a doctor, they did blood screen and said if there was trouble they'd get back to me which they did the next day, my liver enzymes were elevated and he thought maybe renal failure or several other conditions might be the cause BUT when i told him i was using steroids and taking anti estrogen meds he slapped his knee, basically told me to stop everything i was toxic when i got home i did a search on alot of these message boards about edema and found most guys said the same thing there body's had gotten TOXIC .

I stopped everything but a little bit of nolva 25mg a day and after 1 week the swelling had gone way down, i also stopped all supplements including ibuprophen and starting drinking cranberry juice and tons of water.

If you look it up edema is caused by many many different things i also have high blood pressure and i also have had other complications with my liver in the past so this may have added to the problem.

I was also taking clomid and liquidex so thats alot of stuff floating around at once and i believe my body was screaming at me.....

 

[vanjarus]

...time to throw in conversation.Must say that i am in prety much same situation like easywin. i am on ster. 3-4 years with a litle break between cycles,altogether 6months off,on the top of the 4 years continuosly on.
My cycles usualy exists on testosterone enanth. only, and somethimes dbol to kick start cycle results.
As far as side efects, i can say that only side efects is low sex drive, even when i am on the testther things like HDL-LDL ratio,liver stres,acne,etc.etc.Everything is normal, but low sex drive is primal problem.Dont now the reason, it seems that my body become resistent on high level of exogenous tetstosterone,and result is weak erections.
I was check everything, prolactine, cortisole and estrogen level is in the
normal-optimal level.Is there anyone,who had similar problem?

 

[tonyatl]

...Everything is normal, but low sex drive is primal problem.Dont now the reason, it seems that my body become resistent on high level of exogenous tetstosterone,and result is weak erections.
I was check everything, prolactine, cortisole and estrogen level is in the
normal-optimal level.Is there anyone,who had similar problem?

ed (erectile dysfunction) has many causes and is rarely due to test problems....quite clearly u have plenty in your body (when u r on) to rule out test as a cause for ed.....usually (60-80%% of time) there is a physiological cause however and is often related to general circulatory issues... see a urologist to determine if there are any physiological problems....there could be other hormonal issues but in that case u would probably be referred to an endocrinologist....

 

[vanjarus]

ed (erectile dysfunction) has many causes and is rarely due to test problems....quite clearly u have plenty in your body (when u r on) to rule out test as a cause for ed.....usually (60-80%% of time) there is a physiological cause however and is often related to general circulatory issues... see a urologist to determine if there are any physiological problems....there could be other hormonal issues but in that case u would probably be referred to an endocrinologist....

Well,in the first 2years on testo. i have crazy sex drive, but almost after one night he was gone, and never come back like before.I was visit a couple urologists and endoc., and no one of them have a clue whats hapening.They said it was psychological problem, but i now it was some physiological reason.I have morning erections,but not as hard as he should be.I try everything, and best thing for me is cialis(tadalafil citrate), but i dont want to rely on this drug to the end of my life!

 

[tonyatl]

Well,in the first 2years on testo. i have crazy sex drive, but almost after one night he was gone, and never come back like before.I was visit a couple urologists and endoc., and no one of them have a clue whats hapening.They said it was psychological problem, but i now it was some physiological reason.I have morning erections,but not as hard as he should be.I try everything, and best thing for me is cialis(tadalafil citrate), but i dont want to rely on this drug to the end of my life!

u may need to shop around for a urologist who specializes in this....there is a study showing that viagra every night can over a period of less than a year can reverse some physiological causes....ie. the muscle areas around the genital area can atrophy or something like that...and the viagra can cause proper functioning such that u no longer need the viagra...i am sure that cialis would solve the problem as well.....