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Wow, you are shredded. You look like you are where guys I work with should be at at the 10 day out mark. Overtrained and over dieted. Start adding more carbs and you will fill out nicely.

I recently worked w/ a guy who went to nationals. He was as ripped as you (except had a lot more muscle) at the 10 day mark. Against my advice, he carb depleted for 5 full days, and then tried to carb up in 3. Dumbshit came in flat and placed 10th.

My point is, you will look even better if you up your food for a week or so.
 
dylangemelli said:
I appreciate the welcome that some of you provided me...

actually, I never once said i did 3 hours of cardio a day... I do run 10 miles a week and stairclimb quite a few miles a week as well... I do 1.5 hours of cardio a day as well as an hour of weights...

as far as my work with NTBM... Yes, I am here with NTBM but this is a completely overhauled company that I have taken pride in helping to fix and reinvigorate after what was done to it before... I am not here to "pimp" anything, only to provide what I can to the community whether its help, product advice or products themselves... Yes, I believe strongly in the company that I work for but that doesn't mean I am pushing anything on anyone in anyway... Im here to help, provide and learn in any way that I can...
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Were you getting ready to compete? I did 2 hours a day and ate 4k calories a day (cycled carbs). How many carbs are you eating? It takes a lot of drive to do 1.5 hours a day plus on cardio. I would run the tape in my head of what it was like to win the show I was training for, that kept me going.

I also did more cardio than lifting. I look much better eating more, and doing more cardio. Others do better w/ lower carbs and less cardio.

IFBB pro Frank Roberson confided to me that he only does 20 minutes of cardio 3 times a week during contest prep. However, he limits his carbs to 300 grams or less. He is currently weighing 305 @10% bf., so 300 is low.
 
Pericles; 300 is fine but $1000 is three solid PCT cycles, not one.

By no means should one expect PCT to be cheap or try to be cheap about it... But a fuckin grand? The only time I have heard of shit like that is when a pro drops wayyyy down in an effort to conceive, in which case HMG is introduced and without insurance can be very costly. Outside of that circumstance maybe you can get up there with a ridiculous recovery program trying to get off long term HRT.

A normal PCT for a run of the mill 8-12 week cycle should not be that much.
 
Pericles said:
I also did more cardio than lifting. I look much better eating more, and doing more cardio. Others do better w/ lower carbs and less cardio.

IFBB pro Frank Roberson confided to me that he only does 20 minutes of cardio 3 times a week during contest prep. However, he limits his carbs to 300 grams or less. He is currently weighing 305 @10% bf., so 300 is low.
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I've tried both approaches with similar success. I prefer the former if I have plenty of time to cycle a couple of hours a day simply because it's more fun. But often time constraints make the latter more practical. I can look good doing either but it's much more satisfying to have excellent cardio conditioning to go along with the physique!
 
darkprince said:
Remember this Dylan??

1-8 Ostarine 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m. SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-8 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m. SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-8 GW-510516 10-20 mg day... split doses 12 hours apart SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-8 HcGenerate n2bm.com
1-8 N2guard n2bm.com
3-8 Albuterol 12-18 mg day ag-guys.com

Mini pct 9-12

Hcgenerate ES n2bm.com
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Click the links, do the math.
This is less the half of what he recommends for a full PCT and bridge. This is basically his recommended bridge without the PCT.

standard Dylan post though, all salesman, No real advice whatsoever.
 
TheHamburglar said:
Pericles; 300 is fine but $1000 is three solid PCT cycles, not one.

By no means should one expect PCT to be cheap or try to be cheap about it... But a fuckin grand? The only time I have heard of shit like that is when a pro drops wayyyy down in an effort to conceive, in which case HMG is introduced and without insurance can be very costly. Outside of that circumstance maybe you can get up there with a ridiculous recovery program trying to get off long term HRT.

A normal PCT for a run of the mill 8-12 week cycle should not be that much.
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he completely trashes the tried and true nolva/clomid pct, says it hinders recovery. he sometimes recommends clomid at 12.5mg for 30 days along with an assortment of his sponsors otc supps of course.
Says nolvadex is useless for anything, period!
 
pittbox said:
he completely trashes the tried and true nolva/clomid pct, says it hinders recovery. he sometimes recommends clomid at 12.5mg for 30 days along with an assortment of his sponsors otc supps of course.
Says nolvadex is useless for anything, period!
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I remember this! Completely dissed on Nolva for PCT. Even found an article that his "buddy" wrote and linked it. I was laughing my ass off because he was preaching about one article going against the use of it with PCT, when there are thousands that prove it helps recovery. I've gotten multiple blood work tests post PCT with the use of Nolva and have had no problems with recovering back to normal test levels.
 
I went over to dylans home bored and this is the first post I found of his.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1285973

Need Opinions on Cutting Cycle Please. (Thread title)

I did the math on this which does not include the previously mentioned sarms bridge. Here we go...

1-12 gw5015 20mg ed, 3 bottles = 300.00
1-10 s4 50mg ed, 3 bottles= 239.97
3-10 hcgen 2 bottles= 119.00
1-10 n2gaurd 3 bottles= 194.97
300.00
239.97
119.00
194.97= 853.94 for on cycle support.
Pct
Clomid 1 bottle= 50.00
Pytoserms 1 bottle= 119.99
Hcgen 1 bottle= 64.00
Aromison 1 bottle= 65.00
N2gaurd 1 bottle= 64.99
Osta 1 bottle= 99.99
50.00
119.99
64.00
65.00
64.99
99.99= 463.97 for pct

For a grand total of 1317.91 $$$
Plus shipping for 3 different companies. All for a low dose test p and var cycle.
 
The worst part is that most of the ntbm reps over there that recommend this or something similar don't even pct.
Most of them B&C.
How can you recommend something that has never worked for you yourself?
 
Pericles said:
IFBB pro Frank Roberson confided to me that he only does 20 minutes of cardio 3 times a week during contest prep. However, he limits his carbs to 300 grams or less. He is currently weighing 305 @10% bf., so 300 is low.
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PC, I'm not FR but this is more in the line of what my plan is but with more low intensity cardio. The low carb/carb cycling should burn the fat. It has worked well in the past, but contest prep is different.
 
Millard Baker said:
I've tried both approaches with similar success. I prefer the former if I have plenty of time to cycle a couple of hours a day simply because it's more fun. But often time constraints make the latter more practical. I can look good doing either but it's much more satisfying to have excellent cardio conditioning to go along with the physique!
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Also, this ^ decision affects the gear program, specifically tren. Back when I was competing, I had a good supply of pharm grade gear but of course no tren (And para was no where to be found....had lots of Halo, however). I had the cattle pellets only, and a limited amount of those awell. The result is that I only ran 300 mgs of tren a week for 8 weeks. Tren, by far and away the best drug for body re-comp, kills cardio (as we already know).

Frank hates tren, but I told him he must make a choice: Either more cardio or more tren. I initially proposed 800 mgs/week. It was a trick, as I knew he would not go for that amount. He did, however agree to running 400 mgs. I will try and get that amount up as showtime comes closer.

Back to the OP, I take that you do not train legs, considering your running as your leg work out, yes? 189lbs @ 6feet 1 even ripped=the need for more size.
 
RagingWilly said:
I remember this! Completely dissed on Nolva for PCT. Even found an article that his "buddy" wrote and linked it. I was laughing my ass off because he was preaching about one article going against the use of it with PCT, when there are thousands that prove it helps recovery. I've gotten multiple blood work tests post PCT with the use of Nolva and have had no problems with recovering back to normal test levels.
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I believe they all trash nolva because it works.
Don't want these noobz figuring out that they don't need all these expensive supps.
 
Gunney: No, No, No. I am OK if you want to run lower carbs and less cardio. However, don't fall for that low intensity burns more fat bullshit. It is no more than an excuse for laziness. I want your heart rate at 80% of your Vo2 max.

This low intensity cardio is better bullshit came from a couple of studies more than 20 years ago. The authors concluded that lower intensity increases the ratio of fat to carbs burned. What they failed to realize, is that higher intensity cardio burned a much, much larger # of calories overall. Furthermore, H I cardio boosted the over all metabolic rate. That means that 1 hour post cardio, the H I cardio had the metabolic furnace cranking, much, much more so than walking on the treadmill (walking on the TM is OK, as long as the incline is high). I am going to stop name dropping, but the big guy only does 20 minutes. But they are on a rowing machine, and are intense enough that he is not able to talk.

Gunrunner said:
PC, I'm not FR but this is more in the line of what my plan is but with more low intensity cardio. The low carb/carb cycling should burn the fat. It has worked well in the past, but contest prep is different.
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Remember, you are on a lot of gear, and you will be surprised at how much you can eat and still burn fat. Probably the most common thing I see is over-dieting. Lets take a look at your current diet. all I need right now are macros...Protein, fat, carbs. Also, fiber intake. Yes, carbs will be cycled. Something along the lines of 400, 300, 250, 200, 200. We will monitor your progress based upon what needs to be done and what show/time constraints we have. Your high carb day will be on your weakest body p., and low day on strongest bp.

You are already pretty lean. I doubt that it will be needed for a while, but we can always lower the carbs if need be. Until then, this ^ is a good place to start. At the 12 week out mark we will asses your needs. Most likely we will bump the cardio to 45 minutes, but only 3 times a week. If you are not making satisfactory progress, we will move the carbs down. However, I doubt that that will be the case. I am very impressed w/ your progress so far.
 
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