New douchebag in town

[oldmusclemike]

Cancer or not. Too light. Too inexperienced. Shouldn't touch an AAS UNTIL you can at least hit a pretty lean 180 natural. Best of luck.

OP at 180 lbs and 5'11 you are a bit light but so what. I agree with Paul about most of what he posted on your weight and the survival stuff.

As far as this post ^^^ no you are wrong 180 lbs natty or other wise has NOTHING to do with his cycling now. He's already pull the trigger before and his age at 26 is G2G. I was 29-30 when I started. An ectomorph for sure and weighed about 150 + and I did real well.
I build good lean hard muscle even with a shit diet. I recommend good diet of course.

SO I don't agree with the BS of 180 lbs. Look at my pictures in my intro, I did ok. Just saying by that, get as educated as you can and put a cycle together for review here, and you'll be G2G.
Good Luck OP

 

[oldmusclemike]

Cancer or not. Too light. Too inexperienced. Shouldn't touch an AAS UNTIL you can at least hit a pretty lean 180 natural. Best of luck.

I don't know if that is you in the Avi pic but if so, really good work. A good pic.

But I disagree with your statement of waiting till 180lbs.

 

[Thenewera]

OP at 180 lbs and 5'11 you are a bit light but so what. I agree with Paul about most of what he posted on your weight and the survival stuff.

As far as this post ^^^ no you are wrong 180 lbs natty or other wise has NOTHING to do with his cycling now. He's already pull the trigger before and his age at 26 is G2G. I was 29-30 when I started. An ectomorph for sure and weighed about 150 + and I did real well.
I build good lean hard muscle even with a shit diet. I recommend good diet of course.

SO I don't agree with the BS of 180 lbs. Look at my pictures in my intro, I did ok. Just saying by that, get as educated as you can and put a cycle together for review here, and you'll be G2G.
Good Luck OP

I disagree, this is ridiculous to say.
And yes, it's me in my Avi.

 

[Thenewera]

Wtf does 180 have to do with anything? Is that your magic number to be accepted as an aas user? Gtfo... this dude served his country and had fucking cancer...if he seems a little fucking light to you it could be because he had fucking cancer!!.... am I the only person on this thread who thinks if u survive the mitary, and then u survive fucking cancer! You probably shouldn't be told your not ready for aas???? Sorry if I'm going a little overboard but you don't have a fucking leg to stand on in your argument... especially based off what ltitle op has said about himself...

Lol who the fuck are you. Yeah I'm telling him he should wait until a relatively lean 180#_ why that number? Because at his height 180# and respectively lean is a GOOD starting point. So you illiterate fuck, maybe you should of done the same. How pathetic of you to guage ones service or survival of cancer being an OK to start use of AAS. Ridiculous.

 

[Ryno1980]

Lol who the fuck are you. Yeah I'm telling him he should wait until a relatively lean 180#_ why that number? Because at his height 180# and respectively lean is a GOOD starting point. So you illiterate fuck, maybe you should of done the same. How pathetic of you to guage ones service or survival of cancer being an OK to start use of AAS. Ridiculous.

Right! Illiterate fuck... lmao... he's 6ft 156 u fucking idiot... what about that doesn't say lean to you???? And your God dammed right I think if he has been through what he's been through he has the right to make a fucking decision about getting stronger.... maybe next time before you open your mouth you should be a little more informative about what your trying to say or don't fucking bother..

 

[Ryno1980]

Lol who the fuck are you. Yeah I'm telling him he should wait until a relatively lean 180#_ why that number? Because at his height 180# and respectively lean is a GOOD starting point. So you illiterate fuck, maybe you should of done the same. How pathetic of you to guage ones service or survival of cancer being an OK to start use of AAS. Ridiculous.

And u don't know a fucking thing about my aas use.. how I started why I started or what condition I was in when I did so gtfo...

 

[MindlessWork]

Whoa...why all the putdowns? C'mon we shouldn't be putting the OP down nor should we be fighting when OP should be steered in the right direction instead.

 

[Ryno1980]

Whoa...why all the putdowns? C'mon we shouldn't be putting the OP down nor should we be fighting when OP should be steered in the right direction instead.

I was being nice until he decided he needed to call me an illiterate fuck... fuck him.... my opinion is that op is the perfect example of someone who could do well using aas... @Thenewera wanted to write a vague opinion with 0 explanation as to why he said what he said so I questioned it... I have the right to question something if I disagree... I even apologized for going overboard but he wants to talk shit .. fuck em!

 

[Cajun897]

as you can see we say whats on our mind here

 

[Ryno1980]

Lol who the fuck are you. Yeah I'm telling him he should wait until a relatively lean 180#_ why that number? Because at his height 180# and respectively lean is a GOOD starting point. So you illiterate fuck, maybe you should of done the same. How pathetic of you to guage ones service or survival of cancer being an OK to start use of AAS. Ridiculous.

If you would have actually taken some time to read anything op posted you would know I wasn't suggesting it's ok for him to jump in to his first cycle based upon military or cancer.... he has actually run 2 cycles already so he isn't new to the game.... I was suggesting that running a 3rd cycle, post cancer might help him to regain some of his size and strength... but I'm illiterate. ..

 

[MindlessWork]

I was being nice until he decided he needed to call me an illiterate fuck... fuck him.... my opinion is that op is the perfect example of someone who could do well using aas... @Thenewera wanted to write a vague opinion with 0 explanation as to why he said what he said so I questioned it... I have the right to question something if I disagree... I even apologized for going overboard but he wants to talk shit .. fuck em!

To me I'd agree that the OP should start with a solid training and diet before going on any chemical supplementation. While I do have respect for TNE as he's quite knowledgeable, I do also feel that body weight should not really matter for using gear...it's having training and diet and bodyfat level on point prior. In addition his overall health also counts too considering he's post-cancer. Just my 2 cents on this.

 

[Ryno1980]

To me I'd agree that the OP should start with a solid training and diet before going on any chemical supplementation. While I do have respect for TNE as he's quite knowledgeable, I do also feel that body weight should not really matter for using gear...it's having training and diet and bodyfat level on point prior. Just my 2 cents on this.

I would agree with you 100% except 2 things.. he isn't new to aas.... and his body weight obviously has a lot to do with what he just went through... so while I agree that training and prep before cycle is excellent advice, I also would think there would be some great benifit to running a light cycle now in an attempt to regain lost body mass.... I do believe several of the substances on the market were originally used to treat exactly this kind of thing , weightless in hiv aids patients?

 

[Cajun897]

To me I'd agree that the OP should start with a solid training and diet before going on any chemical supplementation. While I do have respect for TNE as he's quite knowledgeable, I do also feel that body weight should not really matter for using gear...it's having training and diet and bodyfat level on point prior. In addition his overall health also counts too considering he's post-cancer. Just my 2 cents on this.

i definately agree as long as your diet and training are on point go for it if they are not will only get mediocre results and more side effects

 

[MindlessWork]

I would agree with you 100% except 2 things.. he isn't new to aas.... and his body weight obviously has a lot to do with what he just went through... so while I agree that training and prep before cycle is excellent advice, I also would think there would be some great benifit to running a light cycle now in an attempt to regain lost body mass.... I do believe several of the substances on the market were originally used to treat exactly this kind of thing , weightless in hiv aids patients?

You are right and perhaps other good minds here can chime in to help out the OP and get him on the right track to regaining his lost gains. Also here's to him staying cancer free going forward as a benefit.

 

[Thenewera]

If you would have actually taken some time to read anything op posted you would know I wasn't suggesting it's ok for him to jump in to his first cycle based upon military or cancer.... he has actually run 2 cycles already so he isn't new to the game.... I was suggesting that running a 3rd cycle, post cancer might help him to regain some of his size and strength... but I'm illiterate. ..

I would agree with you 100% except 2 things.. he isn't new to aas.... and his body weight obviously has a lot to do with what he just went through... so while I agree that training and prep before cycle is excellent advice, I also would think there would be some great benifit to running a light cycle now in an attempt to regain lost body mass.... I do believe several of the substances on the market were originally used to treat exactly this kind of thing , weightless in hiv aids patients?

Yes. You're illiterate. I clearly see what you're saying. But it has no backup. Okay, he's done a cycle or two? Great. Look at what OP weighs, the conditions he's coming from. In what way do you find approval in saying he's ready to cycle? YES WEIGHT MATTERS. I said a relatively lean 180# - that doesn't mean 150lbs, 160lbs, 140lbs and shredded - it means muscle packed on to have a SOLID starting point. Why? Because that proves you're decently slipping into being "intermediate" in your training or dieting lifestyle. WITH the OP previous cases - what makes you think his joints and body is ready to endure a possible 15-25lb weight gain, 30-50lbs loaded on top of his maximum lifts?????? could running a cycle help gain weight? Of course, obviously! But why in the hell should it be a cop out? IF he can train until he's a respectively lean 180-185lbs that gives him such a stronger foundation. It will build his joints far more than using AAS to get to 180lbs ever would. Then what? He keeps cycling and at 200lbs he's benching 355 one day and tears a labrum because his joints weren't building as quickly as the muscle was which was added stress he didn't need? What makes you think the OP knows anything about dieting or training if he hasn't listed where he's gotten before, where he has been at? Or how he did it? All I got from the OP was he's a veteran (thank you) he's a cancer survivor (that's amazing) and he's used steroids when not needed (that's stupid)

Now for you to act like its no big deal sure wing it man! "People start all the time when they're not ready" "OP was a vet and survived cancer he can run whatever!!!"

Get real.

TNE

 

[oldmusclemike]

I disagree, this is ridiculous to say.
And yes, it's me in my Avi.

Well I did give you credit, deserved with your accomplishments. But I still stand for my post. It wasn't ridiculous, but in your eyes. I think most everyone here agrees with me.

No worries on my end. But really man why so nasty . no one attacked your opinion , so no reason to be so harsh and start shit. You've been here a year or more and you know on this forum it will not be taken very well and just derail the thread when OP is trying Yea trying to get some good info and learn. You have already derailed it, sorry for OP, not what he came here for.

However even though I think you came out like a flaming ASS HOLE I won't continue the BULLSHIT back n forth.

OP do more research , read the stickys then ask more Q's, but hold off a while till you get your ducks in a row. Many different opinion but if you educate yourself more you can help yourself make a better decision. Good luck reading and getting more knowledge before you pull the trigger , AGAIN.

 

[Cleant1]

Welcome to Meso. This is kind of the norm, after all, the big guys here are all on the tren train. It's a good read, and a good laugh.

Subjectively, I'm leaning more towards @Thenewera opinion. 156# does seem fairly thin for 5'11. But, grain of salt... I have no experience to speak of.

And lastly, thank you for your service. The men and women who serve our country today deserve a fuck ton more than they get, especially when led by the the joke of a government we have today.

 

[oldmusclemike]

Welcome to Meso. This is kind of the norm, after all, the big guys here are all on the tren train. It's a good read, and a good laugh.

Subjectively, I'm leaning more towards @Thenewera opinion. 156# does seem fairly thin for 5'11. But, grain of salt... I have no experience to speak of.

And lastly, thank you for your service. The men and women who serve our country today deserve a fuck ton more than they get, especially when led by the the joke of a government we have today.

We all are in agreement that OP is light at 156lb but what @Thenewera is saying that he should not cycle until OP gets his weight up to 180 and that in most everyone on here agrees that, that is incorrect. I for one many years ago started at that weight and did good. OP has been training is not new so he has SOME, little base.

 

[donotdisturb]

Thanks for the big welcome everyone!

I understand the concerns about my lack of experience using gear, but I am confident that I'm not undertaking anything that I'm not ready for. I'm not one of the dumbasses who's out to get as big as possible in a self destructive way because I'm after pussy.

Anything I do is carefully planned out with special attention to diet and PCT. I may be a noob, but I'm determined to do it the right way.

 

[Thenewera]

Thanks for the big welcome everyone!

I understand the concerns about my lack of experience using gear, but I am confident that I'm not undertaking anything that I'm not ready for. I'm not one of the dumbasses who's out to get as big as possible in a self destructive way because I'm after pussy.

Anything I do is carefully planned out with special attention to diet and PCT. I may be a noob, but I'm determined to do it the right way.

Well, I disagree completely. But your mind is made up. Read and research more, so much that you're sick of it. Any questions, search for the answer and if you don't find it ask.