New Guy in a Bind

[Just Fish]

3 surgeries bro. Do you think they were operating on my body image?

How many fucking surgeries did Michael Jackson have? Why did he have them? Smfh

 

[grey]

Do you think they were operating on my body image?

If they took it out, there shouldn't be much to recur. It is nearly as rare as frog hair, and pretty much fucking unheard of after 2 surgeries unless your surgeon is brutally incompetent.

Recurrence (as rare as it is) is almost entirely due to post-surgical AAS abuse.

Cases outside of that would literally place you in something like 0.1% or less of the gyno surgical panel pop.

 

[Woden]

How many fucking surgeries did Michael Jackson have? Why did he have them? Smfh

Part of me is angry that you've not seen my life. The other part remembers I'm a new rando on this board with no credibility. Oh well. Behind your disapproval I see someone who cares, at least a little, about helping a stranger get a nightmare under control. Last night I sat in the dark and silence for 2 hours, with raging gyno symptoms, trying to decide on my next move. I made a call. You disapprove. Okay then.

 

[Woden]

If they took it out, there shouldn't be much to recur. It is nearly as rare as frog hair, and pretty much fucking unheard of after 2 surgeries unless your surgeon is brutally incompetent.

Recurrence (as rare as it is) is almost entirely due to post-surgical AAS abuse.

Cases outside of that would literally place you in something like 0.1% or less of the gyno surgical panel pop.

1st was excision with leftover tissue to avoid pitting. No lipo.

Second was lipo.

3rd was lipo with excision of a regrown gland on one side.

Lipo isn't perm if they don't suck it dry. Excisions aren't perm if they leave any tissue behind.

But yeah, competency was much in question.

 

[Just Fish]

1st was excision with leftover tissue to avoid pitting. No lipo.

Second was lipo.

3rd was lipo with excision of a regrown gland on one side.

Lipo isn't perm if they don't suck it dry. Excisions aren't perm if they leave any tissue behind.

But yeah, competency was much in question.

Do you know what they suck out during lipo? FAT. Do you know what will make you lose it? DIET AND EXERCISE. Fat lose is never permanent. If it was I'd still be 7% bodyfat

 

[Woden]

Do you know what they suck out during lipo? FAT. Do you know what will make you lose it? DIET AND EXERCISE. Fat lose is never permanent. If it was I'd still be 7% bodyfat

If you're suggesting I can just extinguish gynoid fat in my chest with diet and exercise, I disagree. It could help a bit, sure, but I've tried that and it it's not a solution - for me, anyway. Though I doubt you'll accept that.

Look, you're obviously against my every choice. I'm irked that you seem to think Im an impulsive, lazy and psychologically unhealthy person, but I realize your conclusions would prob be right many times. I so appreciate your advice, and I think your attitude is in the right place. As far as I'm concerned, switching to an AI and tapering out is the way to go. Jumping on Nolva ca. 12 hours ago was the right call to minimize my humiliation until the next goddam surgery, should I need one. I'll get through this like I always have and, with luck, I'll find a doc who's ready to do his fucking job - at which time, I'll need clean blood.

 

[preserve36]

Omfg. You are totally off base here buddy. Everyone here is trying to help you. Gyno surgery removes the fucking glands themselves. 3 surgeries? The doctors know this atleast after the first one. Lipo? Yes work out. You will not get anything but worse acting like this. Just because it isnt easy doesnt mean that an ai is going to fix it. You are going in the wrong direction. It isnt about you being new. Take some advice here buddy.

 

[Just Fish]

If you're suggesting I can just extinguish gynoid fat in my chest with diet and exercise, I disagree. It could help a bit, sure, but I've tried that and it it's not a solution - for me, anyway. Though I doubt you'll accept that.

Look, you're obviously against my every choice. I'm irked that you seem to think Im an impulsive, lazy and psychologically unhealthy person, but I realize your conclusions would prob be right many times. I so appreciate your advice, and I think your attitude is in the right place. As far as I'm concerned, switching to an AI and tapering out is the way to go. Jumping on Nolva ca. 12 hours ago was the right call to minimize my humiliation until the next goddam surgery, should I need one. I'll get through this like I always have and, with luck, I'll find a doc who's ready to do his fucking job - at which time, I'll need clean blood.

You can disagree all you want but it's not going to change the facts. If you get down to 10% bodyfat you will barely have any fat on your chest. This is something you should have done before you even had a surgery and I'm sure the doctor told you that. Problem is you lack discipline and drive. Those are the facts. No, I will not except laziness or stupidity as an excuse.
Reread your post any normal person will realize you have issues. You are absolutely impulsive, lazy and phycologically unhealthy. Switching to a dam AI with no proof of excess e2 is fucking asinine. Nolvadex is for gyno flareups. Taking nolvadex before the test was not the right call. It only proves your foolish impulsiveness.

 

[Woden]

You can disagree all you want but it's not going to change the facts. If you get down to 10% bodyfat you will barely have any fat on your chest. This is something you should have done before you even had a surgery and I'm sure the doctor told you that. Problem is you lack discipline and drive. Those are the facts. No, I will not except laziness or stupidity as an excuse.
Reread your post any normal person will realize you have issues. You are absolutely impulsive, lazy and phycologically unhealthy. Switching to a dam AI with no proof of excess e2 is fucking asinine. Nolvadex is for gyno flareups. Taking nolvadex before the test was not the right call. It only proves your foolish impulsiveness.

Looking back, I'm embarrassed I put so much effort into persuading you. Anyway, I'm prob 12%+ now bc I've been busy with work but I've been <10% many, many times. I'm naturally lean with a high metabolism and looking fit matters to me. Burning fat is not my issue. Didn't mention it before bc I figured you'd just call me a liar again. I don't want to be combative, but gynoid fat in my case and, I suspect in many others, is quite stubborn and resistant to exercise.

Lazy? Certainly doing fine in fitness, whatever you want to say about it. Killing it at work. I'm gonna go with no. Impulsive? I'm trying to look at estradiol, which nolva will only increase if it affects it at all, and these bloods are for me, not a doc, even if they may come in handy. I can take blood again any time. Only surgery gets rid of gyno, so the rational (not impulsive) move is to shut down the gyno. That maximizes my utility, you might say. Psychologically unhealthy? Maybe. I def have attachment issues.

I value your opinion. I do not agree with you. I expected to get flamed here. Enjoy yourself.

 

[Just Fish]

Looking back, I'm embarrassed I put so much effort into persuading you. Anyway, I'm prob 12%+ now bc I've been busy with work but I've been <10% many, many times. I'm naturally lean with a high metabolism and looking fit matters to me. Burning fat is not my issue. Didn't mention it before bc I figured you'd just call me a liar again. I don't want to be combative, but gynoid fat in my case and, I suspect in many others, is quite stubborn and resistant to exercise.

Lazy? Certainly doing fine in fitness, whatever you want to say about it. Killing it at work. I'm gonna go with no. Impulsive? I'm trying to look at estradiol, which nolva will only increase if it affects it at all, and these bloods are for me, not a doc, even if they may come in handy. I can take blood again any time. Only surgery gets rid of gyno, so the rational (not impulsive) move is to shut down the gyno. That maximizes my utility, you might say. Psychologically unhealthy? Maybe. I def have attachment issues.

I value your opinion. I do not agree with you. I expected to get flamed here. Enjoy yourself.

Some have had luck reducing gyno with raloxifene. The rational thing to do would be to find a good doctor. Not to take things when you don't have a clue how to use them or what your actual problem is. Go to a men's health clinic. You could have a brain tumor or thyroid cancer for all you know and both could cause gyno. Look at my avi and tell me my bodyfat %

 

[Woden]

Some have had luck reducing gyno with raloxifene. The rational thing to do would be to find a good doctor. Not to take things when you don't have a clue how to use them or what your actual problem is. Go to a men's health clinic. You could have a brain tumor or thyroid cancer for all you know and both could cause gyno. Look at my avi and tell me my bodyfat %

You're a biggish fellow who uses AAS, so hard to tell. But I would judge from the midsection. I would call a full six pack with clear definition in the lower back about 10%. That's very lean but not omg lean. You got nice but kinda soft pipes with room for more definition between delt and bi/tri. I would have guessed 10%<X<15%. Your avatar says 15 though, on the high end of my guess based on not much info. Guessing you get softer in lower abs, lower back and buttocks. You look good bro. If you're not competing, 10% isn't worth the effort. I stay lean bc fat does mske gyno look worse and I want my gf to want me in bed.

 

[Just Fish]

You're a biggish fellow who uses AAS, so hard to tell. But I would judge from the midsection. I would call a full six pack with clear definition in the lower back about 10%. That's very lean but not omg lean. You got nice but kinda soft pipes with room for more definition between delt and bi/tri. I would have guessed 10%<X<15%. Your avatar says 15 though, on the high end of my guess based on not much info. Guessing you get softer in lower abs, lower back and buttocks. You look good bro. If you're not competing, 10% isn't worth the effort. I stay lean bc fat does mske gyno look worse and I want my gf to want me in bed.

Ok, at least your estimation of bodyfat is alright. I was probably 18% in that picture. That is a old picture. I was only on Androgel there and had not ran a cycle. That is what I look like after 5 years not being able to lift. I was only back in the gym 6 months there

 

[Woden]

Go to a men's health clinic.

def gonna look into this. I was only vaguely aware of these and assumed it was for older guys with ED and joint pain.

I will benefit from your input here, tense as it has been. I truly appreciate that.

 

[Woden]

Take some advice here buddy.

Your advice is not lost on me. Helpful but critical. This is a solid board.

 

[Woden]

As promised

Test: 956 ng/dl (241 - 827)
E2: 61 pg/ml (0 - 47)
Progesterone: 1.2 ng/ml (.1 - 2.1)

Incidentally
ALP: 37 (42 - 128)
Vit D: 20.7 (30 - 100)
This looks like a diet issue.

May not look like a lot, but I got a good flare going on that. The progesterone is actually in range for a mid-follicular phase non-pregnant woman. Anyone know what's normal there?

Supplies from DG were fast. Got backup supplies coming from PPL.

nolva/exem plan from today:
30mg/25mg
20mg/25mg
20mg/12mg
15mg/12mg
10mg/12mg
5mg/6mg
0mg/6mg
....


Based on my experience with exemestane, I'll have no E2 within a few days, so I'm prob fine to back off the nolva in that space of time. Will reassess once I'm off nolva and down to a small dose of exem.

PCT schedules are way slower. Not trying to restart my balls. They're good, clearly. I'm just right-sizing that E2. Exem will blast it pretty quick and then I won't need coverage from the nolva. Should come out with high T and low E2, then I'll track it as it creeps back to normal. Obviously not a perm solution, but the exem hold E2 down a while after cessation. Hoping i can track it in the blood and see the next one coming.

 

[Woden]

I'm curious about using raw materials. What solvent do you use for, say, raw tamox? Can someone point me to instructions?

 

[Woden]

No one want to suggest a solvent?

 

[Jeffg353]

No solvent needed...can simply just weigh out desired dose n cap them or just swallow the powder.