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Goodness, that's more drug than many PRO bodybuilders use almost. and they have endorsements.. I noticed or missed that you didn't put your nutrition layout in your post. Most people think the more drugs they take the better. You can take all them drugs and if your nutrition isn't on par guess what? minimum results..WOW!:eek:
 
darkprince said:
Goodness, that's more drug than many PRO bodybuilders use almost. and they have endorsements.. I noticed or missed that you didn't put your nutrition layout in your post. Most people think the more drugs they take the better. You can take all them drugs and if your nutrition isn't on par guess what? minimum results..WOW!:eek:
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I don't mean this as a flame or attack, but if you're not an ifbb pro, don't assert that you know how much they take. One thing you should know: everyone be they pro or not, takes different amounts. It depends on your physiology how much you really need, and how much is too much. Guess how you find out?

As far as nutrition goes, this log is called "steroid cycle log". I didn't see anything that indicated I would need to post my training and nutrition. In fact, I would go as far as to say that if you haven't figured that shit out yet, you shouldn't be on here.

NOW, if you are just genuinely curious about what my diet and training are like, I'll be happy to discuss. Just don't make smart-ass responses that indicate you don't believe I know what the fuck I'm doing.
 
BiochemicalAbomination14 said:
I don't mean this as a flame or attack, but if you're not an ifbb pro, don't assert that you know how much they take. One thing you should know: everyone be they pro or not, takes different amounts. It depends on your physiology how much you really need, and how much is too much. Guess how you find out?

As far as nutrition goes, this log is called "steroid cycle log". I didn't see anything that indicated I would need to post my training and nutrition. In fact, I would go as far as to say that if you haven't figured that shit out yet, you shouldn't be on here.

NOW, if you are just genuinely curious about what my diet and training are like, I'll be happy to discuss. Just don't make smart-ass responses that indicate you don't believe I know what the fuck I'm doing.
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Anyone who have been in this game as long as I have , which is MANY bros , Vets in here will tell you the same thing, It's your cycle not mines. However, you opened up the door for responses when you decided to post your cycle log. If you disagree then fine. if you're going to say that my response was a smart-ass response, you're couldn't be further from the truth. I'm just putting it out there. I didn't take any shots at you, I simply stated facts. You're taking a hell of a lot of compounds for this to be your first, second, or third cycle. Live with it.....
 
darkprince said:
Anyone who have been in this game as long as I have , which is MANY bros , Vets in here will tell you the same thing, It's your cycle not mines. However, you opened up the door for responses when you decided to post your cycle log. If you disagree then fine. if you're going to say that my response was a smart-ass response, you're couldn't be further from the truth. I'm just putting it out there. I didn't take any shots at you, I simply stated facts. You're taking a hell of a lot of compounds for this to be your first, second, or third cycle. Live with it.....
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Did you read the whole log? We kind of went over this with him already and learned it was not his first second or third cycle and he goes on 9 month long cycles. I'm ready to see what happens on this much tren
 
It is now the close of day 2, and I have pinned everything at least once. I am holding off on the anadrol until monday, which I consider the start of my workout week. The only thing to really report at this point is the PIP, since I have only done cardio since, and it's only been 2 days (wouldn't expect to feel much of anything yet). I will post more details in my final review of PEP's goods in a few weeks when I have a more fair analysis.

At this point I do have PIP from the test e + deca (mixed together, with a .5 cc more of test e), and from the npp + test p (equal proportions). Not really much to speak of from tren other than usual shot soreness.

To be clear, the PIP I'm experiencing I would categorize as mild so far. It's definitely not the worst I've had among all the ugl's I've tried, and it's not non-existent either. It wouldn't impede me from working out, so I don't really give a shit. It's the day after the shots, I expect it. If it lingers beyond normal, I'll report on it as I'm here to tell it like it is. As of right now though, it's definitely nothing to cry about or stop using his gear :D.

That's it for now, I'll update again in a week after I get some workouts in.
 
I forgot to mention the other day that my official weight when I started was 201.4, so a bit less than when I first estimated my weight in beginning of thread :rolleyes:.

Definitely looking forward to the gym today.

Oh, and why do we lose the ability to edit our own posts a day after we post it!?
 
Thing about it is it's subject to change as I go along, which honestly I've changed the first 12 weeks 3x already. I mean, I could lay it out as a skeleton and disclaim it's subject to change I suppose.

So here is an update:

For starters, the prop and npp are working so well I've decided to hit it eod, rather than the fixed amount (which would have had me at slightly uneven blood levels). In addition I'm upping it to 100mg each / eod for weeks 2-4. I'm going to discontinue using both after week 4 however, instead of running prop the whole length. PEP's gear is working so well, I'm going to do the dosage build-up even more gradual to get the most out of this year (no sense in saturating receptors if I don't need to). I am also going to continue running tren ace at 50mg/ed through the first 12 weeks, rather than switch to tren enanthate. My reasoning? I was just curious about the enanthate more than anything, now that I've started the ace, It will be easier to stick with it, and better on the concentration in blood.

So my first 12 weeks are shaping up like this:
Week 1-4:
Test P - 50mg/eod (1st week); 100mg/eod weeks 2-4
NPP - 50mg/eod (1st week); 100mg/eod weeks 2-4
Test E - 450mg
Deca - 250mg
Tren Ace - 50mg/ed
Anadrol - 50mg/ed

Then weeks 5-12 will be
Test E - 600mg (weeks 5-8); 750mg (weeks 9-12)
Deca - 500mg (weeks 5-8); 750mg (weeks 9-12)
Tren Ace - 50mg/ed
Masteron - 400mg (weeks 7-12)

I may throw in prop at 100mg/eod for weeks 9-12 for my sex drive if it's affected due to taking test and deca at 1:1 ratio, plus other compounds.

I'll break here to post recent workout, my extended cycle will be next post for those interested (gunrunner[:o)])

I could feel the juices flowing before I even hit legs yesterday, but during the workout and today are even more confirmation that this year is going to be a good one:D.

I did extensions to warm-up, 5 sets of leg presses including warmup with a gradual build in weight and then moved onto squats. Did some progressive warm-ups, and did 315x10 for my 2 working sets. Afterwards I did some pump/burn sets with leg extensions, and moved onto hamstrings - seated reverse leg curl (6 sets), and romanian deads (2 work sets with 225, kept it light, read below). Overall I felt abnormally awesome for my first "real" day back in the gym.
*Mind you, the last few months I've literally just been fucking around, trying to just not to hurt myself in the gym. I never put on more than 225 when I did actually squat (which wasn't often). Reason-being, I've had a lower back issue I've been nursing for some months now. I'm trying to be mindful of my body aches and pains now that I'm older :D

The message I'm trying to convey with the training is that in my off-time, my training isn't that serious. Rarely do I get that intense, or move some serious weight. I do more f'ing around really :). So this first day back surprised the shit out of me performance-wise. Especially knowing I have only been back on for approx. 4 days.

Alright, that's it for now, I won't post daily gym logs because I don't feel this is the place for it. Rather, I'll do weekly updates. The next post will be the rest of my cycle plan for the year since some of you guys wanted to know.
 
Here is how the rest of my cycle is shaping up:
(Please keep in mind, this is subject to change depending on how I'm feeling and the results I am achieving!)

Weeks 13-24
Test Cyp - 900mg (weeks 13-16); 1050mg (weeks 17-20); 1200mg (weeks 21-24)
EQ - 800mg (weeks 13-18); 1000mg (weeks 19-24)
Masteron - 500mg (weeks 13-18)
Winstrol(injectable) - 50mg/ed (weeks 13-18)


Weeks 25 - 36
Test E - 1350mg (weeks 25-30); 1500mg (weeks 31-36)
Deca - 1000mg (weeks 25-33); 1250mg (weeks 34-36)*
EQ - 1200mg (weeks 25-36)*
Tren E - 400mg (weeks 34-36)
Masteron - 500mg (weeks 34-36)

* I am going to try and run EQ and Deca at same time as experiment, see if I get any added benefit. Depending on how that goes after 4 weeks I'll either continue or drop the EQ.

Weeks 37-48
Test Cyp - 1650mg (weeks 37-42); 1800mg (weeks 43-48)
Deca - 1250mg (weeks 37-48)
Tren E - 400mg (week 37); 600mg (weeks 38-45)
Masteron - 500mg (weeks 37-45)
Winstrol (inject) - 50mg/ed (weeks 38-45)
*

* Also going to throw clen into end here as well, just haven't thought of dosing/length yet

I am also going to run igf-1 lr3 as I mentioned in other posts, and hope to start running gh at 6iu/day beginning week 25. May use novolog/humalog in there as well.

So the pct, right? Well, there is no point when dealing with cycles this long. I will come off of everything in the middle of November, and just let my body recoup until 2015. I will have nolva, aromasin, and caber or prama(sp? - don't have in front of me) on hand to deal with sides (the entire cycle), and that is that. Anyone that believes you can jump-start your body after longer cycles is fooling themselves, I would also say those that doing multiple cycles a year are equally as fool-hardy. My view, if you aren't willing to commit to a lifestyle of trt, don't even jump in the water. Your body will never be the same (for better and worse!).

I also forgot to mention, I will be taking vitamin/minerals as well as herbal supplements for liver protection this whole year.
 
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Bro,

That is a lot of gear. More than I would do but it sounds like you have some experience with it and a laid out plan.

I'm interested in your cycle because I'm in the same boat of either 10 months of Blasting and cruising or trying to do a PCT in the middle. I am also planning on competeing at a higher level show later next year, assuming I do well at the state competiton first.

Good luck with your training and I will be following your log.

Gunz
 
Update:

Workouts are going swimmingly :D - the pumps and fullness are really coming on, and my weight was up to 206.4 on Friday morning (210.6 last night, but I don't count my end of day weight because of food intake). Also to be clear, I'll always weigh myself first thing in the morning, after a good urination, with no clothes for the most accurate measurement possible :).

Rolling into week 2 this weekend, so can't wait for how everything progresses from here on out!

If anyone has any specific questions, feel free to ask away.

Gunz,

Thanks brother, let's all enjoy the ride together!
 
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im 5'5'' and i feel 180 lbs is unconfortable mostly for work.. fiinding suits and clothes that fit..

how do you do OPie
 
Update: Today is the last day of week 2.

I stepped on the scale this morning after a nice healthy poop, and weighed in at exactly 209:eek:.

Workouts are great, fullness and pumps are awesome. Strength has been climbing, while my joints aren't really hurting much at all. As context, the 3 months while I was off towards the end it was killing my elbows doing any kind of presses, and most triceps movements. Now I can train pain free, and heavier :D.

I am loving the results so far, and can't wait to see how the rest of the year shapes up!
 
joshua510 said:
im 5'5'' and i feel 180 lbs is unconfortable mostly for work.. fiinding suits and clothes that fit..

how do you do OPie
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Hey Joshua, yeah I have problems with clothes too. It just comes with the territory if you've achieved a level of size most people will never see :D. I have to get any suits I buy tailored, nothing fits off the rack. Jeans are difficult as well, especially being short in general. Shirts are generally not a problem; well, polo's and dress shirts can be challenging yeah.

I have to imagine it's the same type of issue for those guys that are taller and wider.
 
I just wanted to say, after thinking about Joshua's post and the clothes situation... the one thing that is really fucked up for me is the fact that most tops end up being longer than they should be due to the size, it's especially noticeable when I get sweats, etc. So it looks like I'm wearing a fucking nightie :rolleyes:.

Another update - will be getting blood work done soon, and I'll post the pertinent results. Not because I believe it's necessary at this point (based on my experience, I know it's working, and working well... ) but because I know some of you will be interested. Just to be clear, I'm not getting it done for the sake of showing the members, I'm doing it for my own health / reference, but I do think it might help those of you who might be on the fence about something.

On a workout note, I trained back tonight and that shit was nothing short of epic. I'm actually a bit concerned though, the gym I go to you can't add weight plates to the stacks (due to design of machine, not gym policy to be clear).. and I'm going to have to do that shit soon, or else I'll be doing too many reps. It's either that or I slow down my rep tempo and squeeze the shit outta each rep... I just don't prefer to train that way when bulking :(. I suppose I could also stick to free weights for most of workout, but there's only so much you can do each week. Just a random thought!
 
Im no monster and the clothes thing sucks! I can't imagine what its like for the beasts out there.

How is the tren treating you? I'm excited nervous to start mine during my cut..I'm already kind of a dickhead I'm assuming it will get much worse on tren.
 
azazul said:
Im no monster and the clothes thing sucks! I can't imagine what its like for the beasts out there.

How is the tren treating you? I'm excited nervous to start mine during my cut..I'm already kind of a dickhead I'm assuming it will get much worse on tren.
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I love Tren my brother, and PEP's is coursing fire through my muscles daily. I'm normally a mild mannered fellow, much like Clark Kent :). While on the golden sauce though, and I think I mentioned this somewhere else, I want someone to give me an excuse to rip their arms off in the gym and use them as lifting straps.

In all seriousness, it does translate to increased aggression, so you just have to apply that in the gym and wear yourself out :). Either that or fuck the living shit out of your significant other. As for the other sides, let me know what you're dealing with and I'll try to help out.
 
BiochemicalAbomination14 said:
Just wanted to do an update on the cycle log, as I have found my "unofficial sponsor" :drooling: for this upcoming 2014 season, and so I subsequently also know exactly what dosages I will be running of each compound and when I'm starting it all.

Here goes the revised schedule:

Weeks 1-4:
Test E - 450mg
Test P - 150mg
Deca - 250mg
NPP - 150mg
Tren A - 50mg/ed
Anadrol - 50mg/ed

Weeks 5 - 8:
Test E - 600mg
Test P - 200mg
Deca - 500mg
Tren A - 50mg/ed (until end of week 6)
Tren E - (Week 6 - 800mg; weeks 7-8 - 600mg)
Masteron E - 400mg (weeks 7-8)
* At week 6 will start IGF-1 LR3 @ 10mcg pwo, running 4 weeks on, 2 off

Weeks 9 - 12:
Test E - 750mg
Test P - 250mg
Deca - 750mg
Tren E - 600mg
Masteron - 400mg


Anyone who took a look at the first one and commented, thanks. You will see I have lowered the dosages from the onset, and switched up some compounds. I will be okay to start a little lighter, gives me more room to build.. plus I have been off for 3 or so months, so it's ok.

I don't think I posted the reasoning behind protocol in the beginning. The idea for the first 12 weeks is to pack on mass, but transition from the sloppy winter recoup season by shedding some fat and seeing where I'm at weight and bf level-wise up until week 18. Then will bulk until august. All that to come later.

Start date in a few weeks, so will post again probably a week into it and do weekly updates or something like that.
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JESUS!!!:eek:
 
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