new here little confused!!!!

Green Terror

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hi im 35 im 5,4 and 145 lbs body ft is round 19% and im getting ready to do a second cycle after hopefully getting some advice from y'all.

i,ve been surfing this site every day for quite a while now, along others and finally i decided to get involved in this one because i think you are serious and not just trying to push a product, and i thank u for that. by now u probably notice english is not my first language so i hope i make sense.
well to begin i gotta say, im fucking idiot to trust someone on my first cycle without doin any research but i knew the guy for a long time and honestly his body looks awesome, so i was back then 175 lbs and trained three times week but i guess my genetics suck because i saw very little fat loss and the muscle gain was probably none, i was always very little and skinny until i turned 30 and started gaining weight. i was desperate and frustrated so after talking a lot to this guy and asking a million questions i decided to go for a cycle and he also had a good source to get the stuff for me.

so i am very aware of my stupidity but he started me with this:
250mg test e twice a week
100mg test p twice a week (which hurt like a muther f.....)
50mg a day winstrol
20mg a day dbol liquid oral.
.25mg arimidex every 3 days
and a lifting plan all to failure.
and he never mention absolutelly nothing about pct, i mean he is on a million drugs at a time and he knows what pct is but has no idea what clomid or nolva is, he said all he used was natural testosterone (he called that HCG) for two weeks after a 12 week cycle.

on the second week he told me to increase the test e to 600 and dbol to 40 BUT then i finally woke up and started doing my research and suddenly i realized he was trying to murder me. luckily i've always been incredibly healthy, so on the third week i dropped the test p and the winstro,l because i understand, and correct me, if im wrong, that to be able to burn fat, you first have to build muscle.
i confronted the guy, and asked him why he had me on winny and dbol at the same time, and he said, because ur gonna cut and bulk at the same time, but he got mad, i dropped the other things and that i question his knowledge, and from there i lost my source for my product.
i started doin more and more resarch and switch to 5x5 stronglifts, and began watching a lot of dillan gemelli videos until i realized he was just a sales man. (he looks creepy).
I read and read trying to find a source because i was running out of test and i had nothing for pct.
on the 5th week i stopped the dbol and continued on 600mg test e only until week 14 when all my pct stuff arrived. nolva, clomid and ostarine, which i discontinued on the second week.
even though it was a very risky and unprepared cycle, i dropped a lot of fat, when down to 145lbs after eing 175, and look better than ever before in my life, i mean my arms looked awesome and my chest was a lot fuller etc etc.
its been 5 months since ive finished pct, and i havent gained any fat but my arms and chest are getting smaller, and the only side effects i had (decreased urine flow or pressure 2 days after pining, a little acne, more oily skin, and jizz volume) are back to normal. i realized, if im ever gonna look the way i want, it only going to be through aas.

I think im ready to start a second cycle nd i would like to drop more fat but i want more muscle too, i bought what i needed but then i changed my mind again and again about my cycle o i jut kept on buying stuff including, sarms which i am not sure if they even work or not.

Im confused, and even though, i know at the end its only my decision, i would love to get recommendations from yall. i have read and read and i have a good idea of what i should do. but u are the experts and i dont want to fuck up, i want to do the best possible cycle.

im getting a blood screen tomorrow, and this is what i got on hand, enough to do a complete cycle.

test e 300
test p 100
test cyp 200
tren e which i dont think i can deal with the sides dude just had it and i bought it
deca 300
dbol 20mg oral
winstrol 50 mg oral
gw501516 i will not use it cus i read CANCER and i dont care if it was huge doses on small rats
lgd 4033
ostarine
s4
arimidex
aromasin
dostinex .5mg
clomid
nolva
hcg

im thinking 175 mg of test e twice a week (350a week) and 200mg deca twice a week (400a week) .25 mg dostinex every three days and .25 arimidex once a week, plus ldg 4033 if u guys even think it works with stronglifts 5x5.

or

test e 300mg twice a week, lgd 4033 and .25mg arimidex once a week with stronglifts 5x5.

with a very strong pct.


please take it easy on my and THANK YOU!!!!!
 
Haha its always funny when someone apologizes for their poor English because it isn't their first language, but they actually speak English better than a lot of people who's first language is English. I don't know about all the other stuff, I'll let someone else handle that, just thought I would mention that funny little tidbit about the English thing.
 
I don't really know where to start with this one.

Okay let's get this out of the way first, are you trying to build mass, or maintain your current mass and lose fat? In other words, will you be eating over your caloric maintenance (bulking) or under it (cutting?)

The drugs don't matter as much, but sure they can be fine tuned later to line up more with a certain goal. You have some odd things in there that don't make much sense, but let's address that later...

How long have you been lifting? It seems like the first time you began training was during your first cycle?
 
Welcome to Meso. Felt like I was in a train wreck after reading your intro :( research here and then go & punch that guy in the face!!! ;) jk or not lol
 
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I don't really know where to start with this one.

Okay let's get this out of the way first, are you trying to build mass, or maintain your current mass and lose fat? In other words, will you be eating over your caloric maintenance (bulking) or under it (cutting?)

The drugs don't matter as much, but sure they can be fine tuned later to line up more with a certain goal. You have some odd things in there that don't make much sense, but let's address that later...

How long have you been lifting? It seems like the first time you began training was during your first cycle?


Thanks for the replies.


I have been lifting on and off aver since i was 23, but i was never able to build until i used the drugs.

Do i want to bulk or maintain?

So this is where the confussion starts? Should i bulk or cut first???!! My research suggests me that i should bulk as much as i can in a cycle first then cut. Thats why i bought the deca.

I,m thinking maybe running the deca cycle on a really high protein intake but keeping the diet as clean as posible (eating like a pig but only high protein foods and as lean as posible) and keeping the carbs and fats low).

I think a tren cycle would actually achieve more what i want, but i dont think im ready for that and i dont think ill be able to handle the sides, ive suffered from imnsomnia before and its not fun and thats just one of them.

Trust me i dont want anyone to do my homework for me, when im not working, im all over this site reading and reading.

So to go fromimage.pngimage.jpegto something like this image.png . Do i bulk or cut fist. Deca test or test Only. Do i eat over or under as far as calories, do i do more reps less weight or vice versa!? On the mean time before the cycle im lifting light and eating under my caloric needs.
 
I would only suggest that you do a lot of reading here and educate yourself on all the compounds you might want to use. There is no substitution for knowing your body and what training splits work well for you. If you're going to use aas you should be doing at least a 5 day split. Be in the gym 5 days tearing it up with 2 off days. There is no reason for you to take anything other than test for your first few cycles. If it's test e take 250mg split into 2 shots for a total of 500mg a week. Keep it simple and do a lot of learning in the meantime. Test only will be fine and produce excellent results all around for you
 
I am working out 6 days a week actually, and thats all i wanted to hear i think ill save all my stuff for later and ill do test only, and adjust diet as i go. Thank u.
 
Im starting my second cycle next week of 500mg test only cycle but im really curious what the difference in gains would be in general if i did 350mg test e with 400mg deca??
 
As said before, you should just run the test e for your first few cycles. Your diet will dictate which gains you will make. Eat heavy=mass gains. Eat lean = fat loss. Put the deca aside until you are sure you can handle adding additional compounds into your supplement circle.

Deca durabolin is only reccomended for longer cycle due to the very long ester. Keep it simple, more is not always better. You are a small guy anyway from your posted stats, run the test e and eat alot then you will see some impressive gains.
 
Anyways i ordered some test e from this source im not sure if im supposed to post here or not, placed order february the 12th and it was at my doorstep february the 18th.
 
You dont have to publicly post that you got your pack. You can do a log or review with your results and bloodwork to help out the community if you choose to. Its all up to you brother.
 
What i wanted to do was to let people know that i think i did business with a good source i thought we were supposed to let each other know weather some of this sellers out there are a scam or real, i didnt mean to brag and then again, i thought thats what we where supposed to do, i guess i was wrong, im just learning.
 
What i wanted to do was to let people know that i think i did business with a good source i thought we were supposed to let each other know weather some of this sellers out there are a scam or real, i didnt mean to brag and then again, i thought thats what we where supposed to do, i guess i was wrong, im just learning.

It's ok to discuss a sources turn around time and communication, although that in itself is even kind of useless (blood work etc is usually far more helpful).

But you posted specific dates, that is usually not the best idea. But you didn't say the source name in conjunction with the dates, so not a huge deal. Live and learn.

That being said, I still think you have a lot to learn (and experience) about lifting and nutrition in general. If you are dead set on starting this cycle then please continue to read read read.
 
I guess you mis understood me. I said you dont HAVE to, meaning it is not required. But you CAN if you choose to at your leisure.

As mentioned though, posting that you like a source does nothing for the community. Posting bloodwork you have obtained while using your source tells us that his gear you recieved is good based on your results.

Good luck with it !
 
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