New member and first cycle

[sparks]

Hi all, as above I'm new to the site as a member but have been viewing some information on here over the last few week.
I'm starting my first cycle on Monday and want to c what u think of it and would be great full for any help u can give me
Age 41 / 5ft 11 / 173 pounds @ 12% bf. In the summer I was at 7% bf. I have been training for 3 years now mid live thing ha. Also do some running and cycling in the summer months. I am looking to put on some good size and keep as much of it as I can post PCT.

Cycle layout
Wk 1 to 12 = test e @ 250 X 2 pins a wk
Wk 1 to 4 = D bol @ 30 mg ed
Wk 9 to 13 = anavar @ 50 ed
Wk 1 to 12 tamoxifen @10 ed
PCT wk 14 to 17 tamoxifen @ 30 mg ed
I also have eq and was going to run it along with the test but from what I have been reading on here I will leave it till my second cycle.

i eat clean and count cals every day. Was look @ 3000 / 3600 cals intake a day 300g of pro 260 carbs and 110g of fat . Your views on this please.



Tks Sparks

 

[Boilermech]

Why are you taking Nolvadex during your cycle? I would just use Arimidex .5mg eod and use the Nolvadex at the end for PCT.
I realize your at an age where you can make your own decisions for yourself, but if you increased your calories some you could easily put on 15 to 20 more pounds naturally.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Hi all, as above I'm new to the site as a member but have been viewing some information on here over the last few week.
I'm starting my first cycle on Monday and want to c what u think of it and would be great full for any help u can give me

Age 41 / 5ft 11 / 173 pounds @ 12% bf. In the summer I was at 7% bf. I have been training for 3 years now mid live thing ha. Also do some running and cycling in the summer months. I am looking to put on some good size and keep as much of it as I can post PCT.

Cycle layout
Wk 1 to 12 = test e @ 250 X 2 pins a wk
Wk 4 to 14 = hCG @ 250iu 2/wk (this will require 5000IU lyophilized hCG)
Wk 1-14 Adex .25mg EOD to start. Monitor and adjust from there.
PCT wk 15 to 18 standard Clomid/Nolva

*Blood work before during and post if possible.

i eat clean and count cals every day. Was look @ 3000 / 3600 cals intake a day 300g of pro 260 carbs and 110g of fat . Your views on this please.

Tks Sparks

Welcome to Meso.

 

[sparks]

Why are you taking Nolvadex during your cycle? I would just use Arimidex .5mg eod and use the Nolvadex at the end for PCT.
I realize your at an age where you can make your own decisions for yourself, but if you increased your calories some you could easily put on 15 to 20 more pounds naturally.

Thanks for the replay man, so are u say I can't use the tamoxifen as a AI?

 

[Walker]

I would only use nolva if i got sore nips on cycle...otherwise take the advice @Boilermech gave...

 

[stang4u2nv]

@sparks the cycle looks good minus the tamoxifen citrate. This a SERM not an AI. If you dont know what a serm is look it up. Big difference. Also run it for 4-6 weeks usually 4 weeks not 3. For a first cycle you dont need the anavar and dbol. What happens is most people want to bridge or kickstart a cycle with a fast acting oral so they dont need to wait 3 weeks for the testosterone to kick in. Imo this is not needed but if you have to then by all means. Dbol will bloat you up fast so watch your blood pressure. Keep us informed.

 

[HuckingFuge]

you can run EQ your first cycle. all of your issues will come from Testosterone not the EQ, if you get any.

 

[sparks]

@sparks the cycle looks good minus the tamoxifen citrate. This a SERM not an AI. If you dont know what a serm is look it up. Big difference. Also run it for 4-6 weeks usually 4 weeks not 3. For a first cycle you dont need the anavar and dbol. What happens is most people want to bridge or kickstart a cycle with a fast acting oral so they dont need to wait 3 weeks for the testosterone to kick in. Imo this is not needed but if you have to then by all means. Dbol will bloat you up fast so watch your blood pressure. Keep us informed.

Thanks I looked that up and c what u are taking about. I have everything else other than arimidex and aromasin if I was to order it now I might have it in 2 wk r so. Do I have to use it from the start r can I hold off and use it if required? Also what's up views on the eq. Should I hold off on it for now?
Tks again for the help

 

[Boilermech]

I started my adex at my 4th week into my current cycle after I got my bloodwork but I wasn't running dbol. You can keep it on hand if you want I used to do that. But the estrogen has more effects than just bloat and gyno so I suggest taking it from the start. Keeping your estrogen within range from the get go will help prevent any sides from coming up later. You should also get bloodwork done before you start your cycle then around 4 weeks into it to check your estrogen levels.
Whatever you do, even though I know your anxious, I would not start your cycle until you have the adex brother.
As far as the EQ goes me and @HuckingFuge have different opinions. I personally would just stick with the test to see how you do on it by itself. But if you want to run the EQ I'm not going to tell you not to. You are a grown man and can make this decision for yourself. If you run the EQ you could just mix it with your test in the same syringe so you have fewer pins a week to see how you handle giving yourself shots and the pain from the oils. I kind of enjoy the pain but then again I'm not normal according to my Wife [emoji6]
Whatever you end up doing be sure and be safe and practice sterile procedures to prevent any infections. If you have any other questions do not hesitate to ask.
Good luck brother.

 

[stang4u2nv]

@Boilermech i agree with you as well. Run one compound. Experience it, enjoy it and see how you react to it. For all we know you will have horrible side effects that you wont know what caused it. This is of course just an opinion.

 

[A-a-Ron]

If you weren't thinking about it already, you might throw in an extra $7-8 for a bottle of milk thistle for liver health.

 

[sparks]

I started my adex at my 4th week into my current cycle after I got my bloodwork but I wasn't running dbol. You can keep it on hand if you want I used to do that. But the estrogen has more effects than just bloat and gyno so I suggest taking it from the start. Keeping your estrogen within range from the get go will help prevent any sides from coming up later. You should also get bloodwork done before you start your cycle then around 4 weeks into it to check your estrogen levels.
Whatever you do, even though I know your anxious, I would not start your cycle until you have the adex brother.
As far as the EQ goes me and @HuckingFuge have different opinions. I personally would just stick with the test to see how you do on it by itself. But if you want to run the EQ I'm not going to tell you not to. You are a grown man and can make this decision for yourself. If you run the EQ you could just mix it with your test in the same syringe so you have fewer pins a week to see how you handle giving yourself shots and the pain from the oils. I kind of enjoy the pain but then again I'm not normal according to my Wife [emoji6]
Whatever you end up doing be sure and be safe and practice sterile procedures to prevent any infections. If you have any other questions do not hesitate to ask.
Good luck brother.

Thanks again man . As I said it's my first cycle so I want to do it right

 

[sparks]

If you weren't thinking about it already, you might throw in an extra $7-8 for a bottle of milk thistle for liver health.

Ye got some tablet from. A bit more expensive over here €24. But that's Ireland for ya

 

[tubesox]

Ye got some tablet from. A bit more expensive over here €24. But that's Ireland for ya

Man now im going to be reading everything in a leprechaun voice, best of luck with your cycle...and tamox is not an ai, listen these guys

 

[sparks]

What your thoughts on femara as a AI @ 0.25 EOD

 

[stang4u2nv]

Dosing an AI is sort of tricky for most people due to everyone being different the best way is through bloodwork so you can see
The level of certain hormone after x or y drug administration.

 

[ocman]

I wouldn't run anything but Test only for your first cycle, your PCT needs work.

I think you need to do more reading.

 

[Manny]

I loved everything tjat I ran the first time. I def went big as fuck amd am not suggesting this cycle for a first. If you want to peek at my log you can see the difference as well as the ammounts and compounds. I am with huck here and say if yku want to run the e.q do it. Just remember that the longer the better. At least 20 weeks. Good luch bro

 

[tubesox]

Preload that shit and you'll be good at 16

No offense @Manny

 

[Manny]

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