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Hello,

I started working out about 18 months ago and am enjoying my time in the gym. I'm 42 and in a previous life I was a certified personal trainer, trained twice a day, 5 times a week, and played rugby.
I love learning and educating myself. There is so much to study and read about with all the changes over the last 15 years.
I started TRT through a clinic about 6 months ago using about 200mg/wk of Test. I have responded well with little changes to blood work with the exception of E2. So also using an AI. Have always had terrible cholesterol numbers since I was 18 and they are unchanged. Hereditary. Calcium score is great!
I was introduced to this forum through a local supplement shop through general discussion and him eeing my results from traing hard, focusing on diet through a practical approach.

I am 6ft, currently 210, started at 190. To be "beach ready" and cut would want to loose 10lbs, maybe. Can see my abs but I am a terrible judge for myself.

Looking forward to learning from the community. Just looking to optimize at this stage of life.
 
Ever thought about a safe secondary compound to lower estrogen rather than an AI? A low dose primo 1:2 would work well here?
 
Ever thought about a safe secondary compound to lower estrogen rather than an AI? A low dose primo 1:2 would work well here?
Thank you for the suggestion!!! I saw how E2 was being controlled with Primo when people were cycling higher doses test and dove into researching the compound and came up with the same conclusion. Had blood work done and I just started 1:2 ratio primo to test 3 days ago. It may need to be adjusted as I have also started taking HCG as well which will most likely raise estrogen. But I wanted to get away from the AI especially with my cholesterol being a risk factor. I greatly appreciate the thought and recommendation!!
 
Thank you for the suggestion!!! I saw how E2 was being controlled with Primo when people were cycling higher doses test and dove into researching the compound and came up with the same conclusion. Had blood work done and I just started 1:2 ratio primo to test 3 days ago. It may need to be adjusted as I have also started taking HCG as well which will most likely raise estrogen. But I wanted to get away from the AI especially with my cholesterol being a risk factor. I greatly appreciate the thought and recommendation!!
Thank you for the suggestion!!! I saw how E2 was being controlled with Primo when people were cycling higher doses test and dove into researching the compound and came up with the same conclusion. Had blood work done and I just started 1:2 ratio primo to test 3 days ago. It may need to be adjusted as I have also started taking HCG as well which will most likely raise estrogen. But I wanted to get away from the AI especially with my cholesterol being a risk factor. I greatly appreciate the thought and recommendation!!
Keep us posted how the blood work goes mate. I think a 1:2 Test to Primo ratio will work out well for you with HCG. As you say, I’d avoid the AI with cholesterol being a concern. High cholesterol can be low thyroid by the way, get that checked too (not just TSH, get t3 and free t3 checked).
 
Thanks for that. Blood work will be done in a months time. And quest has been taking 10 business days to get the E2 results back. Ill take a look at thyroid as well!
 
Trying to send you a DM but it doesn’t seem to be working. I’m a (fairly) new member, does anyone know if there is some kind of time/post restriction before sending DMs? Thanks!
 
Blood work is back. Primo brought my E2 down to 17. On a TRT/cruise dose 200mg Test, 150 mg Primo and 1,500 is of HCG/wk. No AI. No sides from low E2.... yet. Was 5 weeks into cruise at time of blood work.

Also tested thyroid function and my T3 came back high. This is something I am.unfamiliar with.
 
Oops... I ment 200mg T and 125mg Primo. No AI. Primo did very well reducing my E2. Probably better off with the 2:1 ratio of 200mg T and 100mg Primo. Also using 1500iu HCG. Finishing up 8 weeks.

Going to a 400 T, 200 P, 200 Deca and keeping HCG same in about a week. 12 week cycle. Focus on getting enough quality calories as always because eating enough quality calories is a battle.

Previous cycle was 315 T w/ 50mg Anavar/ day and an AI. And before was 315 T w/ 100 Deca and AI. Always struggled to keep E2 in check. Prostate, hematocrit, prolactin etc all stay level and in range with exception of anavar.

During Anavar use E2 went way up, liver enzymes up and cholesterol got shot. Stopped use and everything went down and back within normal range. Cholesterol is back to my normal numbers but is my concern. Doctor is putting me on meds. Was waiting till I was in my 40's as my cholesterol has been bad since my late teens. Calcium scores are great! No plaque build up yet. But wondering now if I should be sticking with a TRT dose 125mg T and 75mg primo for E2 control. Any thoughts as I am new to cycling past 200mg T and using other AAS.
 
You're about 20yrs too young to even think about being on a statin. That shit's gonna melt your brain. Unless the majority is indigestible fiber, 340 grams of carbs is just telling your liver to produce more cholesterol, especially with that little amount of dietary fats. You're still eating like a college rugby player. Now that you're in your 40s the bulk/cut rollercoaster is only going to get harder and harder - unless you're competing, just eat every day like your target weight and BF self would. 200-225g protein, 100-120g carbs, and 150-170g fat is plenty to grow some muscle, lean out, and lower your lipids. And it won't blow out your pancreas.
 
I appreciate the response. Not sure how eating 1,300 kcal in fats, 900 kcal in protein, and 400 kcal would make sense. Out of 2600 kcal ur suggesting I eat a ratio of 50% fats, 35% Protein, and 15% carbs? How did u come with this? Not understanding the logic?

I also know that some research suggests that lipophilic statins may be more likely to cause brain related side effects over hydrophilic. But research may indicate there may be a slightly higher risk for hemorrhagic stroke.

Sides that have been linked is mood related, difficulty concentrating, memory loss. All which can be reversed when stopping use if these sise effects present themselves. So I am wonderin what u mean by having your brain melt.
 
I appreciate the response. Not sure how eating 1,300 kcal in fats, 900 kcal in protein, and 400 kcal would make sense. Out of 2600 kcal ur suggesting I eat a ratio of 50% fats, 35% Protein, and 15% carbs? How did u come with this? Not understanding the logic?

I also know that some research suggests that lipophilic statins may be more likely to cause brain related side effects over hydrophilic. But research may indicate there may be a slightly higher risk for hemorrhagic stroke.

Sides that have been linked is mood related, difficulty concentrating, memory loss. All which can be reversed when stopping use if these sise effects present themselves. So I am wonderin what u mean by having your brain melt.
 
Not understanding the logic?
Carbohydrate-induced hypertriglyceridemia. It's counterintuitive on the surface, I know, but the link between dietary fat intake and blood lipid levels is actually the opposite of what you'd guess. It's a paradox. The data from the last 20 years flies directly in the face of the "low-fat, eat more fruit" tactic we were bombarded with in the 80s and 90s.







You can improve your LDL with a higher fat intake if you focus on the right ones, even with higher dietary cholesterol.





LDL may not be a useful marker anyway, and the hype/panic around it unnecessary. (Or worse, exploited for marketing purposes)

(Full article https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17512433.2018.1519391)


I also know that some research suggests that lipophilic statins may be more likely to cause brain related side effects over hydrophilic
I'm already way over tl;dr so I'll save you from 20 more links (unless you want them), but it seems like you've already researched a bit. You probably noticed that after the FDA issued its alert and forced a warning labeling change for statins, publications like JAMA were flooded with quick studies with conclusions that can be paraphrased as "It's worth the risks" and "If you're worried about cognitive effects, just stop taking it". If you didn't, go back and look at some, and pay attention to who funded those. I would also go to the FDA's FAERS site and look up the specific one you're taking.

For me, if I can control my numbers by paying attention to what I eat, taking a pill to fix it the easier way is not worth the risk of going crazy in 15 years.
 
Awesome! Thank you so much. This is very much appreciated and I will dive right into everything you provided. I avoid meds like the plague. Why I haven't started taking the statins. I dont even take over the counter meds unless it's a absolute must for a fevere, I dont get sick tho, or maybe severe sprain. Also, why i decided to stick with lower dose T and primo to control E2. Agian, thank u.
 
Wanted to send out an update as I appreciate any feedback.

I ended up not going to a 400 T, 200 P, 200 Deca and HCG cycle. I wanted to get everything dialed in and make sure I new how my body was responding to minimal compounds.

Have been cruising at 225mg test, 100mg primo, about 14 wks. Primo for 18 wks. Added deca 12 weeks ago. For joints and cronic tendinitis in left forearm, which has helped with adding the deca at 100mg my Blood work has come back decent. No significant changes to cholesterol, LDL decreased slightly. Hematocrit has risen to 52.1, hemoglobin 17.2, PSA 1.19, waiting on estrogen, test, free test, IGf. Expecting estro to come back mid 30's based on previous labs.

Going to go back to TRT. 180mg/wk TU and terz at 2.5mg. My eating at night has been a battle and I will be having surgery on 3 cervical vertebrae and disc's in December. Stiff neck and tingling in fingers turned out to be not so good. Docs are asking me to limit heavy lifts. Looking for cheat codes to help preserve as much mass as possible, if there are any. Obviously keeping protein high and regular intake daily trying to keep nitrogen retention high. But calories are going down to about 2,500 to 2,750. Lighter weights higher reps 4x week.
 
with your TRT, what is your pin frequency? 1/2/3+ times a week? Curious about that I currently do 1x and E2 was high for me so going to move to 2x and see if that changes things at all.
 
I pin every 3 days in the morning.
Make sure to take ur two week total and divide by 5.
So 200mg/wk x2= 400mg for two weeks. Ull have 5 pins over two weeks if ever 3 days. 400÷5= 80mg per pin.

Frequency of pin and using Cypionate vs enanthate may result in more even levels. And subq pin may help even further according to my doc.

FYI, my E2 is/was being controlled by the Primo. Some people this works others not so much.

But I am also moving to Test Undecanoate. 1x wk pin. Slow and steady release. Hoping I can keep the test at 180mg, keep E2 under 50, and have my Hematocrit and hemoglobin back in check without using an AI or Primo. And my body fat is at 10%, calipers, so a reduction there could help.
 
I pin every 3 days in the morning.
Make sure to take ur two week total and divide by 5.
So 200mg/wk x2= 400mg for two weeks. Ull have 5 pins over two weeks if ever 3 days. 400÷5= 80mg per pin.

Frequency of pin and using Cypionate vs enanthate may result in more even levels. And subq pin may help even further according to my doc.

FYI, my E2 is/was being controlled by the Primo. Some people this works others not so much.

But I am also moving to Test Undecanoate. 1x wk pin. Slow and steady release. Hoping I can keep the test at 180mg, keep E2 under 50, and have my Hematocrit and hemoglobin back in check without using an AI or Primo. And my body fat is at 10%, calipers, so a reduction there could help.
thanks, ya i'm undecided on 2 or 3x a week. will probably move to 2x see if/how much it lowers it. Then 3 if it could get better, appreciate the response.
 
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