New to AAS. First Test cycle

[GottaStayStackin]

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   So I have been researching a while. I said let's do this!! Got plenty hcg,novaldex,clomid,arimidex..Decided to get some test e(settled for titans test c). I am also taking cycle support by AI.I decided to front load the test.So here it is: I assume the test cyp is probably like his test e(200 mg) so I loaded 1000 first week. And did 600 second week. I have been taking Arimedex from a decent research site.5ed. ( don't know if I should yet, I thought it might help with the bloat) I am 5ft 11in and 215lbs 14%bf (natural) so I am hoping to do more of a lean bulk. I have been around the gym for so long I was really just excited to see what Test could do for me. The problem is I haven't worked out a balanced schedule for pinning yet, I understand stable test blood levels are important. I haven't verified my E2 level so I don't know about the Arimedex ed. This is day 16 for me. I have some test prop that is from a more replicable source.If it is more legit than my test c I might switch. I am looking for some valuable feedback(advice)from some Vets or experienced members about pinning too much too often? Shutting down e2 and consequences? When to do my blood(lab work)during cycle. I understand these are all questions I should have probably already researched answers for, but what can I say. If you think this kind of behavior is reckless, you should have known me back in the day. thanks for the help
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[Ozzy619]

I think you did a very good job with you research, alot better than most. Someone with alot more knowledge will answer your questions better. I personally only pin Test Cyp 2x a week, Monday and Friday. I just hope your Titan gear isn't too under dosed. I think you could lower your adex to .5mgs e3d or eod depending on your sides. I personally does it very low. Good luck man, here's an article that might help you.

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/daily-or-eod-test-cyp-injections.134289806/

 

[GottaStayStackin]

I think you did a very good job with you research, alot better than most. Someone with alot more knowledge will answer your questions better. I personally only pin Test Cyp 2x a week, Monday and Friday. I just hope your Titan gear isn't too under dosed. I think you could lower your adex to .5mgs e3d or eod depending on your sides. I personally does it very low. Good luck man, here's an article that might help you.

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/daily-or-eod-test-cyp-injections.134289806/

Thanks ozzy, I am going to drop my adex to eod, if any sides pop up- I will deal with them

 

[HuckingFuge]

Ozzy619 took care of you. diet determine how you look.

 

[slothfetish]

I got a question, sorry if this does not belong here. I have been interested in test enth and have not really bothered researching cyp. I know they are very similar but how similar. If my goal is 500mg/week of test enth will 500mg/week of test cyp have the same effect in the body?

Again sorry if this does not belong here. Thanks

 

[HuckingFuge]

@slothfetsih yes

 

[Northern Nutrition]

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   So I have been researching a while. I said let's do this!! Got plenty hcg,novaldex,clomid,arimidex..Decided to get some test e(settled for titans test c). I am also taking cycle support by AI.I decided to front load the test.So here it is: I assume the test cyp is probably like his test e(200 mg) so I loaded 1000 first week. And did 600 second week. I have been taking Arimedex from a decent research site.5ed. ( don't know if I should yet, I thought it might help with the bloat) I am 5ft 11in and 215lbs 14%bf (natural) so I am hoping to do more of a lean bulk. I have been around the gym for so long I was really just excited to see what Test could do for me. The problem is I haven't worked out a balanced schedule for pinning yet, I understand stable test blood levels are important. I haven't verified my E2 level so I don't know about the Arimedex ed. This is day 16 for me. I have some test prop that is from a more replicable source.If it is more legit than my test c I might switch. I am looking for some valuable feedback(advice)from some Vets or experienced members about pinning too much too often? Shutting down e2 and consequences? When to do my blood(lab work)during cycle. I understand these are all questions I should have probably already researched answers for, but what can I say. If you think this kind of behavior is reckless, you should have known me back in the day. thanks for the help
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Front loading is completely unnecessary and often increases unwanted sides, IMHO. However, you're beyond that now so my recommendations are for current protocols and with the assumption your compounds are properly dosed.

Your chosen cycle is a standard and very common 4-500mg/wk that includes an AI and PCT. Run your Testosterone for 12 wks pinning 200-250mg every 3.5 days - Mon am..Thurs pm to maintain stable bloods. Include your AI (Arimidex) on cycle @ .25mg EOD to begin - increase AI if necessary based upon felt or observed sides (blood work would be optimum). Begin your PCT (Nolva/Clomid) 14 days after last pin. Also, i would not suggest you run Clomid above 100mg's per day. It can permanently effect your vision.

Note: if you choose to run your cycle @ 600mg/wk, simply increase your two injections to 300mg each.

@slothfetsih yes

Agreed. The difference between Enth and Cyp is insignificant and is routinely swapped during cycles when necessary - running out of one or the other, for example.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Forgot to include, if you would like to taper your cycle down and begin recovery in 3 days as opposed to 14 days, drop your Cyp at beginning of wk 10 and begin Prop EOD @ 150-175mg for the last two wks. Then begin your PCT 3 days after last pin. I only suggest this because you indicated you have Prop.

 

[slothfetish]

Appreciate response fellas.

 

[GottaStayStackin]

Forgot to include, if you would like to taper your cycle down and begin recovery in 3 days as opposed to 14 days, drop your Cyp at beginning of wk 10 and begin Prop EOD @ 150-175mg for the last two wks. Then begin your PCT 3 days after last pin. I only suggest this because you indicated you have Prop.

Thanks for the feedback,NN

 

[Northern Nutrition]

You're welcome GSS.

 

[4leafclover]

If you run 12 weeks of cyp, your pct should start in 21 days @ or above 600mg per week. Also I wouldn't drop time off my 12 week cycle to use the prop going into pct, as prop is meant to aid in recovery, not to replace the end of a cycle (I use prop for my pct). The idea is to use your half life time of cyp to keep your test levels high after last pin. For instance, I usually plan my cycles to be 15 weeks, I need nearly 4 weeks after my last pin for my test levels to come back down to normal ranges, while I am waiting for the cyp or enanth to clear my system, I use prop for 3.5 weeks, extending my total cycle time to nearly 19 weeks, with no adverse impact (because you are waiting for the long ester to clear your system anyways).

Other than that, NN gave some solid advice. Carry on.

 

[slothfetish]

@4leaf I always learn so much when I read your posts.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Testosterone proprionate is not meant to aid in recovery. Its a short estered testosterone meant to increase testosterone levels. However, it also can be used effectively to reduce wait times at the end of a long estered cycle to promote a smoother and seamless transition between cycle and PCT.

If you choose to include it during PCT, that's entirely up to you. But i do not support nor recommend anyone copy or adapt your ideas regarding this unnecessary prolonged cycle and PCT. It's completely unnecessary to extend any standard 12 wk cycle beyond whats absolutely necessary. And there is NO major difference in test levels when dropping a long ester last two weeks and replacing with a short ester. Cyclists have been successfully practicing this *trick* for many many years.

Try it sometime - i think you may find yourself adding this option to your next cycle.

 

[4leafclover]

Huh, you just said the same thing I said about using prop....

I also said my cycles are 15 weeks, and there are plenty of reasons to go beyond 12 weeks, deca anyone? 12 week cycles are bro science, there are plenty of people who go beyond 12 weeks... Sorry, but you just sound like an ass now.

Just because you haven't tried it for yourself, and read on the internet that 12 weeks is max, doesn't make it so.

 

[HuckingFuge]

If you run 12 weeks of cyp, your pct should start in 21 days @ or above 600mg per week. Also I wouldn't drop time off my 12 week cycle to use the prop going into pct, as prop is meant to aid in recovery, not to replace the end of a cycle (I use prop for my pct). The idea is to use your half life time of cyp to keep your test levels high after last pin. For instance, I usually plan my cycles to be 15 weeks, I need nearly 4 weeks after my last pin for my test levels to come back down to normal ranges, while I am waiting for the cyp or enanth to clear my system, I use prop for 3.5 weeks, extending my total cycle time to nearly 19 weeks, with no adverse impact (because you are waiting for the long ester to clear your system anyways).

Other than that, NN gave some solid advice. Carry on.

I'm not sure how running Prop during your PCT is actually doing a PCT. are you on TRT?

 

[4leafclover]

I'm not sure how running Prop during your PCT is actually doing a PCT. are you on TRT?

I don't use prop in PCT, I use it leading into PCT while waiting for the long esters to leave the body, so I can continue to make gains. I think I just used some poor words, I start PCT after the prop clears my system (3 days after last prop inject).

So normally, I go 15 weeks on, 3.5 weeks of test prop while I wait for test c or e to clear. 10 days of proviron, last 3 days of proviron, start double clomid, 1 nolva, after 1 week, 1 nolva, 1 clomid for usually 3 weeks.

 

[HuckingFuge]

I don't use prop in PCT, I use it leading into PCT while waiting for the long esters to leave the body, so I can continue to make gains. I think I just used some poor words, I start PCT after the prop clears my system (3 days after last prop inject).

So normally, I go 15 weeks on, 3.5 weeks of test prop while I wait for test c or e to clear. 10 days of proviron, last 3 days of proviron, start double clomid, 1 nolva, after 1 week, 1 nolva, 1 clomid for usually 3 weeks.

I think that was what was throwing off Northern Nutrition and me.

 

[4leafclover]

@HuckingFuge That's what I get for early morning posting, a lack of proof reading.

But I still stand by most of my points, I would not cut off the last 3 weeks of my cycle, just to switch to prop. If I ran 12 week cycles, I would do 12 weeks on, then 3 weeks of prop, rather than 9 weeks on, 3 weeks of prop, just so I could stay in the bro-science 12 week range.

Bottom line is this, you should take bloods when you are figuring out what cycle length works for you and when to start your PCT. Don't be afraid to experiment on yourself a little (provided you have good support for doing so, I have a coach who is very exp with AAS who I can defer to, should I have any questions). I found for myself, I was not at max gains in 12 week cycles, so after some blood work and talking to my coach, I decided to try and extend for 15 weeks. My next cycle, he talked to me about using a short ester to safely prolong my cycle to see if I could still get gains while waiting for the long esters to clear. Having had success there as well, I now run 18 week cycles. I find if I stay in the 15-18 week range, I only have to run 1-2 cycles a year, which is what I prefer.

 

[HuckingFuge]

That's what I get for early morning posting, a lack of proof reading.

But I still stand by most of my points, I would not cut off the last 3 weeks of my cycle, just to switch to prop. If I ran 12 week cycles, I would do 12 weeks on, then 3 weeks of prop, rather than 9 weeks on, 3 weeks of prop, just so I could stay in the bro-science 12 week range.

Bottom line is this, you should take bloods when you are figuring out what cycle length works for you and when to start your PCT. Don't be afraid to experiment on yourself a little (provided you have good support for doing so, I have a coach who is very exp with AAS who I can defer to, should I have any questions). I found for myself, I was not at max gains in 12 week cycles, so after some blood work and talking to my coach, I decided to try and extend for 15 weeks. My next cycle, he talked to me about using a short ester to safely prolong my cycle to see if I could still get gains while waiting for the long esters to clear. Having had success there as well, I now run 18 week cycles. I find if I stay in the 15-18 week range, I only have to run 1-2 cycles a year, which is what I prefer.

NN and I was just talking about PCT and Prop combo. I know I don't care about length of cycle and I'm sure he doesn't either. what you just described is bro science nothing wrong with bro science. bro science is what got us this far. I'm sure the medical field will disagree, but the medical field uses bro science too. lol a few or a bunch of people trying to figure out how this or that works, that is bro science. when the medical industry starts doing real studies on humans, of the effects of Testosterone or any other AAS at 1g, 2g ,3g, 4g, ect. than we won't need the so called bro science anymore. I don't see that happening any time soon, so bro science it is.