new to anabolics and need advice

[billydidit]

I am a newbie and want to know if this is a good plan for my first full cycle. I have tried Deca before and I don't like how it makes me feel. Some of the competition guys at the gym said that they have had friends that choose not to use it, and that it would probably be better if I tried something else.

So I did some RESEARCH and here is what I came up with...(Phreezer's post's were very helpful.)

Start cycle with:
Sust (250 mg twice a week / 8 weeks) - [WEEK 1-8]

Continue the cycle with:
EQ (400 mg EW / 8 weeks) - [WEEK 4-12]
Winny (25mg twice a day / 4 wks) - [WEEK 8-12]

End the cycle with:
Clomid (3 weeks)

FOR A TOTAL OF 15 WEEKS

I know there are a lot of unknowns for me...like when to start, for how long, and if I should throw in Nolvadex. Help me by providing your suggestions.

Keep in mind that I am on a SSRI called Lexapro. I am going to wait till I am completely used to this medication before I start anything. I will train and eat well until I am ready for this cycle. I am also open to make changes based off of your suggestions.

 

[AirBorne]

What are your stats, goals, age, years experience, etc? You said you tried Deca before.....explain exactly how you used it and what you used it with.

i assume you are looking to bulk.......many will not reccommend sust for a newbie....you should shoot sust eod to take full advantage of the prop esters in the compound. I would reccommend a Test only cycle with maybe some dbol to start it off. after you post your stats and goals, I will give you some more info.


meanwhile, use the search button to look up questions....I found every answer i was lookin for just by searching around in the forum.

 

[Grizzly]

Damnit, airborne, now I'm going to kick your ass when we meet up and hang out. I'll sock you one from Phreezer, too. Wait until he sees that thing about sust. Oh boy, you're in trouble now! LOL

 

[billydidit]

What are your stats, goals, age, years experience, etc? You said you tried Deca before.....explain exactly how you used it and what you used it with.

i assume you are looking to bulk.......many will not reccommend sust for a newbie....you should shoot sust eod to take full advantage of the prop esters in the compound. I would reccommend a Test only cycle with maybe some dbol to start it off. after you post your stats and goals, I will give you some more info.


meanwhile, use the search button to look up questions....I found every answer i was lookin for just by searching around in the forum.

I am 28 yrs old. 6' tall. 175lbs (normally 195 but now i eat so often my metab is through the roof) I have a very physical past and have lifted weights for over 10 years with some breaks. I look pretty damn good but too skinny for my taste. Played maost all the sports including college rugby. Bucked hay bales for hay companies for 8 years as side work to get through college and HS. I am strong and I can tell that I lift more weight with better form than 90% of guys in the gym. 10% are the competition dudes.

I smoked way too much bud for too many years and have cut that out of my life, partly due to anxiety issues (pannic attacks) and partly because I do not want to die of lung cancer. So now I take Lexapro every day and Clonazepam as needed.

My goal is to be 200lbs and ripped. Focus on chest, abs, and legs. My arms are big already and my back will prob always look great due to bucking so many hay bales (three string timothy for horses). Anyone who knows about hay knows that you have to be one tough SOB to do that job all day.

About the Deca. I started with a glut shot. (I know how to properly administer)
2cc/200mg. Unfortunately I was a total dumbass and smoked some pot after and had my first panic attack. Doc said it may have been a long time coming or just a coincidence. But I waited a week and tried 1cc/100mg. Again felt this overwhelming feeling like blackout. Started taking smaller shots more frequently like 50mg every 3 or 4 days and at least i could handle that and had big strength gains in the gym. Loved it, but my heart was like at 130bpm and my blood pressure was way too high. 160/110

I got the deca from pharmanabolics.com and the doc said it looked legit. I saw exact pictures on the net. I'm sure it was the real stuff from Oganon sp? No one would go through so much trouble to make a fake.

So I quit the deca after almost 5 weeks (i was taking Nolvadex also) and tried to live through these panic attacks. Now I feel I have my life back but I am not 100% yet. I used to feel like superman, now I feel weak. Could be due to anxiety or just being so damn skinny.

So that's the story and I will look forward to more input from you and others. Also I will search as you have suggested.

Thanks,

-bj

 

[Phreezer]

AAAHHHHHH!!!!! how many times do I have to tell you guys...Sustanon acts as a single ester in the body...Sustanon is the biggest gimmick to ever hit the Anabolic world...Honestly, I believe Test is test...Lets look at sustanon...It is typically made up of longer acting esters like Decanonate, Cypionate, Enanthate (they all respectivly average about 5-8 days half life)...These will all pretty much act in the same fashion as a single estered testosterone in the body..... The only real differance wrt to esters would be with prop.... (which has about a 48-72 hr half life) And believe me you're not going to notice any real advantage going EOD over bi weekly here...Think about it a 2x weekly injection schedule and do the math...you'll see that there's no real advantage.

NOW, wrt to this post.. Billy, I don't really believe you,,, I think you're just wasting my time but hey I'll play along... According to your posts, your only experience with deca was one shot..and that made you pass out.. your experience with deca does not qualify you to rule it out because of the way it makes you "feel"..and you're friends at the gym????? Well, Deca is probably The second best Anabolic Compound ever created..it scores right behind Test..so I can't imagine while anyone would tell you it's not worth it...

The way you have your cycle set up looks pretty poor..

You need to run test throughout...You need to start the eq at the same time as the test...You need to stop it two weeks or so early because it has a longer half life...Winstrol sucks and at 50mg Oral ED you're not going to get much results..you need to be running around 100mg ED if you're doing oral...and that 3 week clomid thing.. I would guess that will not be long enough..but hey, only you will know for certain

 

[gman67]

I have to agree about the sustanon...I put a friend on just 1cc per wk of sust for 10wks and 20mg dbol per day the first 4 wks and he put on a solid 25pds, though it was his first true cycle. Could he have put on more with cyp or enan,,not likely.

 

[Phreezer]

Damnit, airborne, now I'm going to kick your ass when we meet up and hang out. I'll sock you one from Phreezer, too. Wait until he sees that thing about sust. Oh boy, you're in trouble now! LOL

LOL@Grizzly!

 

[AirBorne]

shit Grizz.....dont beat me too bad!!! HAHA Sorry for mis-informing the new guy! Flame away!!! lol Only reason I said this is because of all the people who have posted about it and I have a few friends who had some different experiences with sust.....my bad. Ill shut the fuck up now

 

[kronik]

I am a newbie and want to know if this is a good plan for my first full cycle. I have tried Deca before and I don't like how it makes me feel. Some of the competition guys at the gym said that they have had friends that choose not to use it, and that it would probably be better if I tried something else.

So I did some RESEARCH and here is what I came up with...(Phreezer's post's were very helpful.)

Start cycle with:
Sust (250 mg twice a week / 8 weeks) - [WEEK 1-8]

Continue the cycle with:
EQ (400 mg EW / 8 weeks) - [WEEK 4-12]
Winny (25mg twice a day / 4 wks) - [WEEK 8-12]

End the cycle with:
Clomid (3 weeks)

FOR A TOTAL OF 15 WEEKS

I know there are a lot of unknowns for me...like when to start, for how long, and if I should throw in Nolvadex. Help me by providing your suggestions.

Keep in mind that I am on a SSRI called Lexapro. I am going to wait till I am completely used to this medication before I start anything. I will train and eat well until I am ready for this cycle. I am also open to make changes based off of your suggestions.

EQ needs to be run a minimum of 12 weeks to do any good, 15 weeks is better...

 

[billydidit]

AAAHHHHHH!!!!! how many times do I have to tell you guys...Sustanon acts as a single ester in the body...Sustanon is the biggest gimmick to ever hit the Anabolic world...Honestly, I believe Test is test...Lets look at sustanon...It is typically made up of longer acting esters like Decanonate, Cypionate, Enanthate (they all respectivly average about 5-8 days half life)...These will all pretty much act in the same fashion as a single estered testosterone in the body..... The only real differance wrt to esters would be with prop.... (which has about a 48-72 hr half life) And believe me you're not going to notice any real advantage going EOD over bi weekly here...Think about it a 2x weekly injection schedule and do the math...you'll see that there's no real advantage.

NOW, wrt to this post.. Billy, I don't really believe you,,, I think you're just wasting my time but hey I'll play along... According to your posts, your only experience with deca was one shot..and that made you pass out.. your experience with deca does not qualify you to rule it out because of the way it makes you "feel"..and you're friends at the gym????? Well, Deca is probably The second best Anabolic Compound ever created..it scores right behind Test..so I can't imagine while anyone would tell you it's not worth it...

The way you have your cycle set up looks pretty poor..

You need to run test throughout...You need to start the eq at the same time as the test...You need to stop it two weeks or so early because it has a longer half life...Winstrol sucks and at 50mg Oral ED you're not going to get much results..you need to be running around 100mg ED if you're doing oral...and that 3 week clomid thing.. I would guess that will not be long enough..but hey, only you will know for certain

OK. I am not here to lie. I am not here to waste your time. Perhaps I react to some other chemical in the Deca. Perhaps it was all in my head or I got some bad shit. I did not shoot it once but at least 6 times over 4 to 5 weeks. I started with 200mg then cut it way down and tried to grad bring it back up but I kept getting this lame weak ass feeling every time. I have posted this before. The reason I kep shooting was that I thought I was being a pussy but the fact is that I am not. Either I just cant do Deca or it was some bad shit. My point is that I just want to take a different approach.

Another fact is that I recently started getting panic attacks and they really suck. PEOPLE GET THEM AND THEY CANT HELP IT. But I believe that the medications I mentioned before will help keep it under control.

All I have now is 100 50mg winnys and 4 - 5 weeks worth of clomid.

I know you don't like winny but some people do. I hear the joint pain can suck.

So lets talk about test. I am supposed to start with test (which kind of test?) and EQ at the same time? What dose and for how long?

Whatever I need to do to prove to you that I am telling the truth I will do.
I just don't want to screw up and do something stupid...again
I agree that Deca is great. That is why i chose to use it for my first cycle. From what I read it was going to be wonderful.

Thank you for all your input. I am trying to pick up on the lingo.

So my first "real" cycle should go more like:

Test Prop (200mg twice a week / 8 weeks) - [WEEK 1-8]
EQ (400 mg per week / 12 weeks) - [WEEK 1-12]
Winny (50 to 100mg every day / 4 to 6 weeks) - [WEEK 8-12 (or 14)]
Clomid (4 to 5 weeks) - [WEEK 12 (or 14) - the end ]

If I am wrong then change the numbers and/or order.

 

[kronik]

OK. I am not here to lie. I am not here to waste your time. Perhaps I react to some other chemical in the Deca. Perhaps it was all in my head or I got some bad shit. I did not shoot it once but at least 6 times over 4 to 5 weeks. I started with 200mg then cut it way down and tried to grad bring it back up but I kept getting this lame weak ass feeling every time. I have posted this before. The reason I kep shooting was that I thought I was being a pussy but the fact is that I am not. Either I just cant do Deca or it was some bad shit. My point is that I just want to take a different approach.

Another fact is that I recently started getting panic attacks and they really suck. PEOPLE GET THEM AND THEY CANT HELP IT. But I believe that the medications I mentioned before will help keep it under control.

All I have now is 100 50mg winnys and 4 - 5 weeks worth of clomid.

I know you don't like winny but some people do. I hear the joint pain can suck.

So lets talk about test. I am supposed to start with test (which kind of test?) and EQ at the same time? What dose and for how long?

Whatever I need to do to prove to you that I am telling the truth I will do.
I just don't want to screw up and do something stupid...again
I agree that Deca is great. That is why i chose to use it for my first cycle. From what I read it was going to be wonderful.

Thank you for all your input. I am trying to pick up on the lingo.

So my first "real" cycle should go more like:

Test Prop (200mg twice a week / 8 weeks) - [WEEK 1-8]
EQ (400 mg per week / 12 weeks) - [WEEK 1-12]
Winny (50 to 100mg every day / 4 to 6 weeks) - [WEEK 8-12 (or 14)]
Clomid (4 to 5 weeks) - [WEEK 12 (or 14) - the end ]

If I am wrong then change the numbers and/or order.

Bro that looks alot like my upcoming second cycle, here it is:
Weeks 1-4 Test Prop 50mg
Weeks 1-15 Test E 500mg E3.5D-E4D
Weeks 1-14 EQ 400mg E4D
Weeks 12-17 Winny 50mg ED(if BF% is below 10%)
Nolva at 10mg ED and L-dex .25mg ED throughout cycle, increase Nolva to 20mg ED during PCT.
Weeks 17-21 PCT Clomid, nolva,L-dex
All usual supps throughout cycle and PCT.

I chose to do prop only 4 weeks because I think I would hate ED shots, but i hope this helps...

 

[Grizzly]

shit Grizz.....dont beat me too bad!!! HAHA Sorry for mis-informing the new guy! Flame away!!! lol Only reason I said this is because of all the people who have posted about it and I have a few friends who had some different experiences with sust.....my bad. Ill shut the fuck up now

Don't worry, it happens. I said the same thing, too, until Phreezer straightened me out. There's a lot of misinformation that gets passed around. I think the crux of it is that people don't have a fucking clue as to what the definition of a half life is.