Newb in need.

gcray

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Hello,
So, my wife wants to put on some muscle and lose some fat using some gear. She's in a bit of a plataue currently.
What types do you guys recommend for building muscle without any many manly side effects? Please don't lecture me on the dangers, I may be a newb but I've read up enough on those. It's true that diff bodies respond differently so we kind of have to play around and get off if the side effects start and then they should go away.. right? lol
Current plan is to start out with just Var at 5mg for a couple weeks and move to 10mg if she responds well for 8ish weeks. Var seems like a good start for the current goal, right? If that goes well do it again and cycle others with it.
Any others that I should cycle it with? It'd be nice if there was some for strength gains that perhaps we could try without ruining her femininity. I know there are ones that don't cause you to have a man chin and a man voice, just not of any others besides the girl steroid anavar.
Since we are just starting I guess we need a lab kit? I keep seeing blood work on here, don't know what to do with that? I think I've found a really good source so I don't need spam about that. Anything else we need to get started???
Yes, I know I'm ignorant. Trying to learn. Trying to be cautious before starting.
Any non-douchey comments are very appreciated.
She's 5'7.5 150lbs and tends to store fat more in her face and arms if that makes any difference.
Thanks a lot,
:)
 
You sound like you're on the right track with anavar...

I know there are ones that don't cause you to have a man chin and a man voice, just not of any others besides the girl steroid anavar.

Honestly, females can take many steroids... it's usually more of a matter of how much and risk to benefit due to side effects.

Anadrol is something to keep in mind, primo, winstrol, etc.

But you can also have her on low dose test even... It's just a matter of how she tolerates it.
 
Yes. You will want to test the anavar to make sure it's anavar as it's commonly faked. Weight loss is probably not going to happen while she's taking it though since the steroids job is to grab everything is can and turn it into mass. Also some women retain water on anavar so that's something to keep in mind too. It goes away after the cycle is over but during it can mess with your head. Lean gains are totally achievable tho!


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How do you control the water and bloating, my wife isn't liking the anavar cycle very much.??
my girl used to take arimidex during anavar cycle to control bloating. finally learned not to use anavar any more. also, check anaboliclab.com, they did alot of lab tests on various sources anavar
 
How do you control the water and bloating, my wife isn't liking the anavar cycle very much.??

Ultimately I couldn't. Some of the other ladies controlled it with drinking a couple of gallons of water a day. I muscled through it (see what I did there?) because I DID see the gains and I committed to the cycle. When she comes off after about a week she will LOVE what's left behind. Primo is treating me much nicer as far as bloat goes. In fact I had some overlap in between compounds and I *think* and these results are just from my experience I started losing the bloat when I was on both. Maybe the primo counteracted the var bloat? Idk.


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I know the anavar is legit, so I'm not worried about it being something else. My wife is 93 lbs, but now pushing a 100 and she's not happy about feeling so squishy. She just finished her 3rd week at 5mg/day.
 
I know the anavar is legit, so I'm not worried about it being something else. My wife is 93 lbs, but now pushing a 100 and she's not happy about feeling so squishy. She just finished her 3rd week at 5mg/day.

'Squishy' and var? hmmm that shouldn't happen, she should be hard... even if she has some bloat...I would say her diet needs to be adjusted...
 
Hello,
So, my wife wants to put on some muscle and lose some fat using some gear. She's in a bit of a plataue currently.
What types do you guys recommend for building muscle without any many manly side effects? Please don't lecture me on the dangers, I may be a newb but I've read up enough on those. It's true that diff bodies respond differently so we kind of have to play around and get off if the side effects start and then they should go away.. right? lol
Current plan is to start out with just Var at 5mg for a couple weeks and move to 10mg if she responds well for 8ish weeks. Var seems like a good start for the current goal, right? If that goes well do it again and cycle others with it.
Any others that I should cycle it with? It'd be nice if there was some for strength gains that perhaps we could try without ruining her femininity. I know there are ones that don't cause you to have a man chin and a man voice, just not of any others besides the girl steroid anavar.
Since we are just starting I guess we need a lab kit? I keep seeing blood work on here, don't know what to do with that? I think I've found a really good source so I don't need spam about that. Anything else we need to get started???
Yes, I know I'm ignorant. Trying to learn. Trying to be cautious before starting.
Any non-douchey comments are very appreciated.
She's 5'7.5 150lbs and tends to store fat more in her face and arms if that makes any difference.
Thanks a lot,
:)


First... since you said you are ignorant, I have to agree... because saying that var is a girl steroid is very ignorant. Var is very potent and women can easily experience variety of sides at doses as tiny as 2.5mg-5mg a day in some cases... but others can comfortably take 20mg a day and be good, even if stacked with other compounds...

women can safely use MANY compounds, just about any that you would want to use...

storing weight in face and arms is hormone related, more specifically high cortisol levels and low progesterone...is she on birth control that is mostly estrogen?....the other one is her thyroid.... I would definitely get her to do some bloods to see where she is at before she decides to start anything.... it could also be diet related. How is her diet?

Before you feed her var, what does her training and diet look like? As Wendy mentioned already, var isn't a weight loss pill or a miracle fat burner... var may not be good for her if that's her goal... once she figures out what her issues are, if any, with her blood work, she could look into thermogenics instead... such as ECA stack or clen or albuterol along with T3 for fat loss....but first.... diet and training...
 
there's so much bro science surrounding anavar. I think it's best feature is that it's the least liver toxic of the oral steroids. Other than that, it's a very powerful steroid, that can cause alot of side effects like any other steroid.
 
whats the story with female users and proviron?
I was thinking about it and after a little research looks like there have been some female Olympic gymnasts that pissed hot for it...seems like it would be one of the mildest of all.
 
Guide to drugs in sport
2004-07-26 11:13
Athens - Drugs and drug testing will be one of the hot topics of the 2004 Olympic Games. Here is a guide to the major substances most often used by sportsmen and women to illegally find that extra edge and a blacklist of those who have been fingered as drug cheats:

Prohibited list of the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada):

Stimulants

Amphetamine, Amphetaminil, Benzphetamine, Bromanton, Cathine, Cocaine, Dimethylamphetamine, Ephedrine, Mephentermine, Mesocarb, Methamphetamine, Methylamphetamine, Methylephedrine, Modafinil, Nikethamide, Parahydroxyamphetamine, Pemoline, Phenmetrazine, Strychnine.

Note: Cathine, Ephedrine and Methylephedrine are prohibited when concentration exceeds set limit in urine.

Who failed?

Scottish skier Alain Baxter, who won an Olympics Games slalom bronze in 2002, failed test methamphetamine, which he maintained was contained in a nasal inhaler.

Former Tour de France winner Jan Ullrich of Germany was suspended for six months in 2002 after testing positive for amphetamines. He claimed he had taken the substance for personal use during his rehabilitation from knee surgery.

American sprinter Kelli White was stripped of her 2003 world championship 100m and 200m gold medals after a positive test for modafinil, which she claimed she needed to treat a sleeping-disorder.

Torri Edwards, who inherited the 100m title, tested positive for the stimulant nikethamide in Martinique in April 2004. Ironically, Russia's Anastasiya Kapachinskaya, who was named the 200m world champion after White's suspension, later failed a test for stanozolol.

Legendary footballer Diego Maradona was suspended for 15 months following a positive test for cocaine while playing for Napoli in 1999 and was then sent home from the 1994 World Cup in the United States after failing a test for ephedrine, and was later banned for another 15 months.

Indian weightlifter Satheesha Rai failed tested positive for strychnine at the Commonwealth Games in 2002 and had his 77kg class gold medal stripped.

World shot put champion CJ Hunter of the United States was suspended for two years after testing positive for nandrolone at the Oslo Golden League meeting in 2000.

British tennis player Greg Rusedski failed a test for nandrolone but was cleared of a doping offence in 2004 after it emerged he was one of a number of players who had tested positive for the steriod - the most likely source of which was tablets handed out by ATP trainers.

Russia footballer Yegor Titov tested positive for bromantan during Russia's Euro 2004 football play-off against Wales. Bromantan was developed by the Soviet army to help troops counter fatigue in the war in Afghanistan.

At the 2000 Sydney Olympics, Romanian golden girl Andrea Raducan was stripped of her gymnastics gold medal after she tested positive for pseudo-ephedrine. Traces of the substance were found in a flu remedy given to the 16-year-old by a team doctor.

Narcotics

Buprenorphine, Dextromoramide, Diamorphine (Heroin), Hydromorphone, Methadone, Morphine, Oxycodone, Oxymorphone, Pentazocine, Pethidine

Who failed?

Belgian cyclist Christophe Brandt was excluded from the 2004 Tour de France after testing positive for methadone after the second stage at Namur in Belgium.

Czech footballer Vaclav Drobny has tested positive for morphine following a French league game in 2003 but later cleared.

In 2002, 20 British racehorses tested positive for morphine with contaminated feed blamed for the failed dope tests. The group included Be My Royal, the winner of that year's Hennessy Cognac Gold Cup at Newbury.

Cannabinoids

Hashish, Marijuana

Who failed?

Numerous - cricketers Ian Botham and Herschelle Gibbs are two of many to receive sanctions for smoking marijuana.

In the NBA, players charged with marijuana possession in recent years included Philadelphia's Allen Iverson, Sacramento's Chris Webber and Hall of Famer Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Anabolic agents

Clenbuterol, Clostebol, Danazol, Drostanalone, Gestrinone, Mestanolone, Mesterolone, Methandienone, Metenolone, Methandriol, Methyltesterone, Nandrolone, Stanozolol, Stenbolone, Testosterone, Tetrahydrogestrinone (THG), Zeranol

Who failed?

Canada's Ben Johnson, probably the most infamous of all cheats, was stripped of his 100m gold at the Seoul Olympics in 1988, after testing positive for stanozolol.

Britain's Linford Christie, the 1992 Olympic 100, champion, tested positive in 1999 for nandrolone at an indoor meeting in Germany. The 39-year-old had already retired from full-time competition.

Russia's Anastasiya Kapachinskaya, who stepped up from silver to gold after Kelli White's drug test failure at the 2003 world championships in Paris, also tested positive for stanozolol at the world indoor championships at Budapest in March 2004.

British sprinter Dwain Chambers, US shot putter Kevin Toth and American 1500m champion Regina Jacobs all tested positive for the new 'designer steroid' THG and have been banned.

Chinese swimmers Ying Shan, a member of the world record-setting 4x100m freestyle team from 1997, and her compatriot Jiawei Zhou, both tested positive for clenbuterol at the 2002 world championships in Perth.

In 1999, another Chinese swimmer Xiong Guoming tested positive for clenbuterol, having already served an earlier two-year ban.

2000 Olympic shot put champion Yanina Korolchik of Belarus banned for two years after testing for clenbuterol.

Peptide hormones

Erythropoietin (EPO), Growth hormone (hGH) and Insulin-like Growth Factor (IGF-1), Insulin, Corticotrophins

Who failed?

British cyclist David Millar will be stripped of his world time-trial title after admitting he had taken the banned performance enhancer EPO.

"I'd dreamed of becoming world champion and I'd achieved it but I cheated," he said.

Lithuanian cyclist Raimondas Rumsas, who was third in the 2002 Tour de France, tested positive for EPO in the 2003 Tour of Italy and was banned for a year.

The 1998 Tour de France was brought to its knees when the Festina team were kicked out of the event after 40 bottles of doping products, mainly EPO, were found in a team car.

Under suspicion?

World 100m record holder Tim Montgomery faces being banned for life after allegedly admitting to a federal grand jury he used human growth hormone (HGH) as the fall out from the BALCO affair in America goes on.

Beta 2 agonists

Formoterol, Salbutamol, Salmeterol, Terbutaline (all permitted only in asthma treatment)

Who failed?

World 100m champion Kim Collins tested positive for salbutamol after winning the Commonwealth Games title in Manchester in 2002 but was allowed to keep his gold medal after claiming he had taken the drug to treat asthma.

Irish rugby player Frankie Sheahan was banned for two years (later reduced to three months) after testing positive for Salbutamol in a European Cup match in 2003. Sheahan claimed that he was taking treatment for asthma.

Masking agents

Diuretics, Epitesterone, Probenecid

Who failed?

Australian cricketer Shane Warne was banned for a year after testing positive for the diuretics of hydrochlorothiazide and amiloride on the eve of the 2003 World Cup. Warne insisted he had taken treatment to aid weight loss after injury.

In 1998 at the world championships in Perth four Chinese swimmers - Wang Luna, Cai Huijue and Zhang Yi, and male swimmer Wang Wei - tested positive for the diuretic triamterene.

Prohibited methods

Enhancement of oxygen transfer

Blood doping

Under suspicion?

Cycling has been rocked in 2004 by allegations that a culture of blood doping exists in some areas where riders "buy" blood from cyclists of their own blood type then inject it.

Note

Alcohol and beta blockers are banned in certain sports, in-competition only

Did you know?

The 1968 Olympics in Mexico saw the introduction of drug tests. The first competitor to be disqualified was Sweden's modern pentathlon entrant Hans-Gunnar Liljenwall who tested positive for excessive alcohol.



Code:
http://www.news24.com/xArchive/Sport/MoreSport/Guide-to-drugs-in-sport-20040724



edit: sorry the mesterlone article is here about the teen female gymnast
Code:
https://usagym.org/pages/home/publications/technique/1996/4/drugs.pdf
 
whats the story with female users and proviron?
I was thinking about it and after a little research looks like there have been some female Olympic gymnasts that pissed hot for it...seems like it would be one of the mildest of all.

proviron is typically used in contest prep. It doesn't have any anabolic characteristics which means very little undesirable sides... it's used for the look it gives... great finisher...hardness and density of the muscles... it gives women similar results as the oral primo (ace) as it's along the same lines
 
proviron is typically used in contest prep. It doesn't have any anabolic characteristics which means very little undesirable sides... it's used for the look it gives... great finisher...hardness and density of the muscles... it gives women similar results as the oral primo (ace) as it's along the same lines
If its anything similar to the results I see....I would say less gains in lbm than winstrol but also with less side effects. Im surprised its not discussed more for a female first cycle, seems like a good option. Do you get the increased libido, and general feeling of well being and increased energy?
 
If its anything similar to the results I see....I would say less gains in lbm than winstrol but also with less side effects. Im surprised its not discussed more for a female first cycle, seems like a good option. Do you get the increased libido, and general feeling of well being and increased energy?

No, proviron IMO is totally different. I wouldn't run it just to run a cycle. It's a finisher... part of a cycle and typically 4-6 weeks (at least that's what I've done). I don't think it would do much on its own. For people who do not compete, I really do not see a point, unless you just want to see how dry and defined you can get in a "short" time...(obviously already being pretty much there and very low body fat) it's also nicely matched up with Nolva, then it acts as somewhat the eliminator of final 'buildup' between muscle fibers and focuses on the areas women have that are related to estrogen fat gain around the mid section, thighs and bum. (I don't want to say fat burner, but it seems to tighten everything up at the end) And yea, it's a lot less lbm than winstrol, no bloat either. I didn't find my strength, libido or anything much different on it though compared to other compounds. I look at it as a complimentary compound.
 
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