Newbie And I Need Help Without Flaming

[tcso1506]

Hi,

I really dont know where to start with this thread but I'll try somwhere.

I am a very overweight person 6'0 285lbs and havent been to the gym in years (just 12oz curls on the couch watching porn and eating cheetos).
I could bench maybe 180 max.

Well I have decided to start going to gym religiously and lose this weight and bulk up, I have a friend who is in the process of getting me some Winstrol V as he said that it will make me lose the weight fast and gain muscle.

Well being new to all this, I am real unsure of "proper" way to use this. So I will asksome questions and hope for some answers.

1) what would be a good cycle for me and how many cc's per day or whenever.

2) should I stack the winstrol with something else and if so what

3) should i rotate my injections everytime or would that just be a preference and do I have to inject directly into the muscle.

4) was 225.00 to high for a cycle of Winstrol V

5) Do I use the winstrol prior to going to the gym or after the workout

6) can you recommend a good workout schedule while using the Winstrol

7) what is an average cycle? 6weeks, 10 weeks ect...

8) after a cycle should I immediately start another cycle or sit out a cycle

9) will I need an estrogen blocker so I dont grow tits?

10) Do I need to keep the Winstrol in the fridge or at room temp

11) Is Winstrol the best for me?

12) what kind of results can i expect

13) should I start lifting before i start the Winstrol or go ahead and start the cycle my first day back to the gym.

Ihope I dont get flamed to much and sorry for being so new to this (have to start somewhere).

I have already made my mind up 110% that I'm going to do this but just want to know the "proper" way to eliminate any stupid errors onmy part.

any helpyou can give me would be great....


thanks for your time...

 

[mr_meanor]

my opinion bro is you need to wait atleast a year before doing any cycle

I am kinda in your shoes overweight and out of the gym for awhile, I have been dieting and in the gym for the last 3 months doing cardio and lifting and lost about 20 pounds and I am not going to stop here. your body has to be finely tuned for a cycle and if you dont do it right you are just gonna end up worse off than when you started when you get off your cycle

do the smart thing and diet and lots of cardio, read these forums to educate yourself and then think about a cycle

good luck to ya!

 

[stevemac]

OK, first off I think you are making a big mistake, no I take that back, A F*ing Huge mistake. You don't need winstrol! or any steroid. to lose weight and you need a good diet, and cardio and I promise you will lose it. And since you dont really work out you can make great gains without steroids. There are thermogenic drugs out there to help losing weight but they're not necessary either. But since you say you've already made up your mind I will help a bit but I think it's a waste. You should inject 50mg everyday,4-6 week cycles are good. For winstrol you don't need anti estrogens since it does not aromitize and convert to estrogen. That being said, I don't think taking winstrol by itself is a great idea either, and should be stacked with some form of testostrone, which you will need anti estrogen like clomid. So you're opening a whole can of worms that's not really necessary IMO. If you still want to do this, I suggest you at least get into a good workout routine for a few months,with good cardio and diet, then do what you want to do. Also, winstrol is not a miracle work, you wont see rapid weight loss, it helps define muscles, but not in overweight folks like yourself. were you always overweight or did you let yourself go? Just train hard, go easy at first, and really think over your decision. and research, there are drug profiles on this board and many others that will help.

 

[ramboj70]

Hi,

I really dont know where to start with this thread but I'll try somwhere.

I am a very overweight person 6'0 285lbs and havent been to the gym in years (just 12oz curls on the couch watching porn and eating cheetos).
I could bench maybe 180 max.

Well I have decided to start going to gym religiously and lose this weight and bulk up, I have a friend who is in the process of getting me some Winstrol V as he said that it will make me lose the weight fast and gain muscle.

Well being new to all this, I am real unsure of "proper" way to use this. So I will asksome questions and hope for some answers.

1) what would be a good cycle for me and how many cc's per day or whenever.

2) should I stack the winstrol with something else and if so what

3) should i rotate my injections everytime or would that just be a preference and do I have to inject directly into the muscle.

4) was 225.00 to high for a cycle of Winstrol V

5) Do I use the winstrol prior to going to the gym or after the workout

6) can you recommend a good workout schedule while using the Winstrol

7) what is an average cycle? 6weeks, 10 weeks ect...

8) after a cycle should I immediately start another cycle or sit out a cycle

9) will I need an estrogen blocker so I dont grow tits?

10) Do I need to keep the Winstrol in the fridge or at room temp

11) Is Winstrol the best for me?

12) what kind of results can i expect

13) should I start lifting before i start the Winstrol or go ahead and start the cycle my first day back to the gym.

Ihope I dont get flamed to much and sorry for being so new to this (have to start somewhere).

I have already made my mind up 110% that I'm going to do this but just want to know the "proper" way to eliminate any stupid errors onmy part.

any helpyou can give me would be great....


thanks for your time...

bro, roids is not going to help you right now, learn to do proper diet and weight training now, roids will only make matters worse for you right now. you can loose more weight being nature, when you learn how to diet and all the info on AAS then think about using.

 

[grisb81]

bro, roids is not going to help you right now, learn to do proper diet and weight training now, roids will only make matters worse for you right now. you can loose more weight being nature, when you learn how to diet and all the info on AAS then think about using.

Being 6' ft 285lbs. the winstrol is not going to do very much for you . I am not trying to discourage you but it is the truth. I think that if you got down to about 200lbs. then I would say go ahead. What is your goal to try to lose weight and shred down or to just see how big you can get. $225 dollars is an alright price for the Upjohn Winstrol V. If it is Mexican gear then I wouldn't pay that much. Man to be honest you need to diet and not try to rely on the Winstrol to do it for you.

 

[clerks]

Save your money and don't buy the winny. Most guys use winny for a more defined look (CUT) you are far from that. Do yourself a favor workout and spend that cash on some supplements (protein/vitimans and good old chicken etc...) While your doing that study info on this board and learn as much as you can and in time you'll understand what these guys are saying...cLeRks

 

[Bigasmatt]

Bro,
all of these posts are from guys in the know. they have more knowledge and info and experience than you will find in any book or magazine.

we all think that any roids at this point would be a seriously wrong move.

Your intentions are great and I wish you all the luck in the world but I would advise only using a cutting cycle when you are at low bodyfat and trying to lose that last bit (getting cut). Where you are at the moment you can make terrific natural gains and the more fat you have the faster it will come off with good diet and cardio.

Use the weights and stick to a program of training. Personally I think that no one should use steroids until they have gone as far naturally as they can (I trained for over 5 years before I did my first cycle).

suggest: train weights 4 times a week and rest 3 full days (any more I would consider overtraining) do cardio 3-4 times a week. Learn about diet (proper carbs, protien and fats, nutrients, suppliments) and learn how to listen to your body as your training develops. Once you have learned all this and are practiced at all the exercises (we are talking at least 6 months). Then think about the roids if you want.

Dont jump in and make a mistake or youll end up worse off than now. Good luck bro.
BaM

 

[MaxRep]

It sounds to me like you have a "good" friend. One who's taking advantage of your inexperience and making some money off you. You say your mind is 100% made up but guess what, you've made a bad decision because you've been fed bad information: GIGO.

If you do nothing more than start a daily exercise program and a healthy diet, you will make incredible gains. Steroids don't generally, directly affect fat loss however there are many products that do. Research those products and along with diet and exercise, you'll be well on your way to meeting your goals.

Good luck,
MaxRep

 

[Deacon]

the bros are right - diet and train for a year - and also IMO Winny V should be stayed away from - it is one of the harshest nastiest vet drugs there is for the human body.
Better off to use human grade winny some day - just stay away from Winy V bro

 

[tcso1506]

Man what a great forum I really appreciate the feedback (even though it wasnt what i had hoped to hear)


what about Clenbuterol,I have read about it a little and it seems it may help me.

I had no intentions of jumping right in on the Winstrol, I was wanting to hit the gym hard for a couple months first and of course I plan on a good diet....

What i am hoping to accomplish is bring my weight down to around 200-225, before I really started worrying about strength. Would Clenbuterol assist me in this. I had read somewhere that for someone looking for what I am wanting that the normal stack would be Clenbuterol, Winstrol and Primobolan....

But I guess my main question now is (since you have changed my mind for me) is Clenbuterol, would that help me more now and if so I hope I'm not out of line by asking a good source to purchase it...

thanks again for all the great feedback... Truly wonderful forum

 

[MaxRep]

Again, this may not be what you want to hear but for now, I'd just stick to a good over the counter fat burner. That's really all you need and they're very effective. Some sort of stack consisting of: Ephedrine, Caffeine and Yohimbine hcl. (or nowadays, probably an ephedrine substitute)

Way before they ever started advertising here on this site, I was using "Tight", which is now advertised to the left. A word of caution, don't order it directly from the company San, as other internet, discount supplement companies have it much cheaper.

When the fat starts getting harder to come off, say after you've lost the first 50 pounds, then let's talk about clenbuterol and T3 and possibly some steroids. Look at it as a journey, it's not going to happen overnight so just start taking those first steps.

Good luck,
MaxRep

 

[jaysmithinwesson]

dont use the winny. cardio and diet is the key for now.

 

[tcso1506]

Again I appreciate the fast responses...... I think I will take your advice MaxRep....


now for the last question... can you give me some brand names or where I might be able to purchase the above items you have selected?

anyway, Like I was asking,"tight" would that contain all 3 of items you listed above (Ephedrine, Caffeine and Yohimbine hcl)? I am ready to take your advice and purchase these items,just point me in the right direction.....

thanks again everyone...

Do you know any websites or whatever on what would be a good diet for me to get on? rightnow all Im doing is drinking 2 Met-RX protein shakes a day and 2 Met-rx meal supplement bars.. every now and then i'll grab me a peice of skinless chicken... is this ok? not enough? to much?

thanks



Oh one last thing , I have already gave my buddy the money for the Winstrol, should I go ahead and let him get it and put it back for 6 months or so , or "when" the time comes is there something better than Winstrol..



Sorry to keep bothering everyone , i just want to make sure I do the right thing/best thing

 

[Grizzly]

Get your money back. He's probably raping your ass to begin with and, yes, there is DEFINITELY better stuff out there than winstrol.

Diet: Go to the nutrition section of this board. Great info in there. There's a thread I started entitled something like "Alrgith, Bob, let's get this ball rolling" which details the setup and application of a ketogenic diet. You may not want to use a cyclical ketogenic diet(similar to the lay person's Atkins diet, but more efficient), but it's a start.

Your current diet is, don't take this the wrong way, absolute horseshit! You're 285lbs and you're eating like you're a 100lb female. Ok, so maybe you only have 180lbs of lean body mass. You're still taking in maybe about 1000 calories/day. That'll absolutely destroy your weightloss in the long run.

Also, eat some real food, my friend. The shakes and all that crap are called "supplements" for a reason. It is because they supplement your food intake, not make up your daily intake of calories.

Basically, you are doing a ketogenic diet right now anyway, so I really advise you to check out that thread and then post any questions you might have in the nutrition section.

 

[stevemac]

I dont think you should be taking those meal replacement bars, they are terrible for weight loss IMO, they are filled with carbs and calories. Not sure about the met-rx ones but all the ones I know are, just count your carbs,calorie, and fat intake. most shakes are loaded with all this stuff, and ther bars also. The Atkins diet is great for fat loss in my opinion, works good for me, and I have a huge appetite. www.atkins.com , check it out.

 

[tcso1506]

^up

 

[Maetenloch]

Definitely take a look at the Cyclical Ketogenic Diet. I've had very good success with it. I was able to lose 25 lbs over 10 weeks and actually gained some noticable muscle. The main thing is to keep your protein intake high so you don't lose muscle along with the fat.

 

[mr_meanor]

clenbuterol would be cool after a few months if you use it 2 weeks on 2 weeks off for a few months

I dont see a problem with that but atleast start naturally training then ease into the chemicals

 

[hardcore210]

Bro, for your own good, listen to guys like Grizzly and MaxRep. They'll steer you in the right direction. I'll have to agree with the majority here, as well. I'd be willing to bet that most of the reputable guys on this board had many years of experience in the gym way before they ever touched steroids. I know I did. Building a better body takes something that a select few in America have these days, and that's self-discipline and dedication. Get over to the Nutrition and Training forums to research and ask questions. Decide on a diet and training regimen and go for it balls out! Spend AT LEAST a year in the gym and researching before you decided to use AAS. Hell, you might even like your body just the way it is naturally once you finally start making some changes. I say this quite a bit, but find your genetic limits naturally FIRST, then consider other options. Good luck!

HC210

 

[Grizzly]

Definitely take a look at the Cyclical Ketogenic Diet. I've had very good success with it. I was able to lose 25 lbs over 10 weeks and actually gained some noticable muscle. The main thing is to keep your protein intake high so you don't lose muscle along with the fat.

I very much agree with this. For the longest time, I was anti-ketogenic diet. There were many reasons, but let's not discuss them here. The point is, for the last 5-6 weeks, I have been using a CKD. Aside from the initial water loss, I have been pretty much steady at 285lbs. However, I have gotten much leaner, despite weighing the same. My conclusion: I have gained muscle while losing bodyfat. Granted, this "new found muscle" may be muscle that I lost while being injured, lazy and boozed out, but I have, indeed, gained muscle with the diet.

HC210- You're making me blush, bro. LOL. Thanks, I appreciate the "props", but, honestly, when it comes to diet and the such, YOU are the expert, my friend. I have seen those pictures that you posted and you looked absolutely awesome, my man. Straight up great! I may have the general idea of how to get very, very lean, but I have yet been able to implement it. You, on the other hand, have been able to get straight up shredded and god-sized.

Tcs.... You would be well advised to listen to whatever this man has to say. He has proven that he not only knows what he is talking about, but he can make it work also.