Newbie Cycle-Your expert opinion is greatly appreciated

[phx4321]

Greenhorn - newbie here. I have read through tons of the threads and am thoroughly impressed with the helpful, obviously well educated responses. So regardless of your response let me thank you in advance for all the incredibly informative threads.

I am a 35yo male with many years of weight-training, wrestling, and other explosive sports. I am 5'11 200lbs and in reasonably good shape with decent size. I put weight on super fast so I am always careful with my diet. I was looking for a little help to get a more chiseled appearance and had no clue how to begin so I visited an Anti-Aging Dr. He put me on the following program with no cycles, just continuous:

Depo-Testosterone 300mg every 7-10 days
B12 injection 1000mg every 7-10 days
Chrysin 500MG (tablet) 2xday
Prostate Formula (tablet dietary supplement) 1xday

There is no "cycle" of the Test, just continuous. If anyone could analyze and provide some feedback it would be greatly appreciated. I am not looking for any more size but would like on-going results of a leaner appearance and increased strength with minimal side-effects.

TIA!
(this forum is really impressive!)

 

[Deacon]

what do you want to know? you wont get steroid like gains from that and it is what it is intended to be - a HRT treatment

 

[DragonRider]

what do you want to know? you wont get steroid like gains from that and it is what it is intended to be - a HRT treatment

That's true. I've been on HRT for over 10 years. About the same amount of time that chrysin was proved to be a useless product. It was introduced by the late Dan Duchaine as a possible natural anti-e. Don't trust it.
You probably will not see any strength gains on amounts of test that low. I know that I didn't.

 

[phx4321]

I have been reading about Chrysin being ineffective. What would you recommend in its place? The 6-OXO sounds good but they say not to take it for more than 4-6 weeks. Since this Dr plans on keeping me on Depo-Test indeffinitely what could I take to help the Estro in place of Chrysin?

As far as what I want from the Test; strength, recovery, no water-gain, and a more chisseled appearance. Maybe I am approaching this the wrong way and I hate to have to do R&D on my body.

Thanks

 

[phx4321]

Do you know of a link to an article or case-study that disproves the effectiveness of Chrysin. I would love to share it with my Doc

 

[DragonRider]

Do you know of a link to an article or case-study that disproves the effectiveness of Chrysin. I would love to share it with my Doc

Afraid not. Most of my experience comes from self use and anecdotal experience of bodybuilders who have tried it. Remember chrysin has been out about 10 years now. Why hasn't word of mouth of how effective it is got it selling off of the shelves?
By the way, you will find lots of bodybuilders who are getting gyno from relying on 6oxo too. You are better off using the real thing nolvadex, proviron, letrozole or arimidex. They are very easy to find and usually cheaper.

 

[Deacon]

I really dont know what you are asking - you want to stay lean and get a little more strength but no size - GNC supps can get you that - so I dont really know what you think you are looking for?

 

[phx4321]

I guess I am trying to avoid the "freak" look. I want a hard, athletic appearance without the obvious juiced appearance. My HRT Dr. wants me to take HGH injections (2xweek) but I wasn't sure about there potential for results/side effects. A friend was on the depo-test and HGH and really ripped up nice but then had a wicked acne breakout all over his body. He had to eventually see a dermatoligist and get on an anti-biotic to clear it up.

I think I was confused; I thought depo-test was an Anabolic-Steroid and that alone could give me the results I wanted.

 

[DragonRider]

I guess I am trying to avoid the "freak" look. I want a hard, athletic appearance without the obvious juiced appearance. My HRT Dr. wants me to take HGH injections (2xweek) but I wasn't sure about there potential for results/side effects. A friend was on the depo-test and HGH and really ripped up nice but then had a wicked acne breakout all over his body. He had to eventually see a dermatoligist and get on an anti-biotic to clear it up.

I think I was confused; I thought depo-test was an Anabolic-Steroid and that alone could give me the results I wanted.

Are you sure he said HGH? (Human Growth Hormone) is usually taken daily or at least 5 times per week, twice a day.
On the other hand, HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin) can be taken twice a week to keep the testes up to par.
You are correct that depo test is an anabolic steroid, however it usually takes higher amounts than what HRT or TRT doctors prescibe to see the muscle building effects.

Additionally, bodybuilders take very large doses for a number of cycles or for long periods to get that freaky look. It won't happen in 8 to 12 weeks. (The typical single cycle)

 

[phx4321]

Yes, I am almost certain he said HGH. It was injections, intra-musc, I think twice a week but I will confirm next week.

What would you recommend I add to my current 300mg Depo-test to give me some results? I have no problem self injecting and would almost rather do it that way then damage my liver with pills. I want to increase my athletic performance levels and decrease my recovery times from workouts.

 

[DragonRider]

Yes, I am almost certain he said HGH. It was injections, intra-musc, I think twice a week but I will confirm next week.

What would you recommend I add to my current 300mg Depo-test to give me some results? I have no problem self injecting and would almost rather do it that way then damage my liver with pills. I want to increase my athletic performance levels and decrease my recovery times from workouts.

Well, what most people are doing who are on HTR/TRT is to raise the dose to say 500mg a week divided into two shots for about 8 weeks, then drop back down to 300mg once a week for 8 weeks, then repeat. Since you are on all of the time you may need to go as high as 750 a week for 8 weeks at a time to get results. Try it at 500 a week first.
I would get some HCG to inject on weekends to keep the testes up to par also.

 

[phx4321]

Thanks for the patience and help DragonRider

 

[Deacon]

I guess I am trying to avoid the "freak" look. I want a hard, athletic appearance without the obvious juiced appearance. My HRT Dr. wants me to take HGH injections (2xweek) but I wasn't sure about there potential for results/side effects. A friend was on the depo-test and HGH and really ripped up nice but then had a wicked acne breakout all over his body. He had to eventually see a dermatoligist and get on an anti-biotic to clear it up.

I think I was confused; I thought depo-test was an Anabolic-Steroid and that alone could give me the results I wanted.

then I suggest you dont use gear and get Cell Tech - seriously it can do for you what you want and its not illegal

 

[N V ME]

add some nolvadex or arimidex to keep Estrogen down. Diet and cardio will dictate levels of bodyfat. can always through some T3 or clen or both in to bump up the metabolism.

 

[MANWHORE]

I guess I am trying to avoid the "freak" look. I want a hard, athletic appearance without the obvious juiced appearance.

I've seen natural guys look the same as guys on juice so unless you consider the BLOATED appearance the JUICED appearance,there is no such thing as a juiced appearance. .. It's nice to see your trying to avoid the FREAK look because it takes alot of hard work diet and time. .. One thing that comes to mind when you say that is the women in the gym who don't want to train with weights because they don't want to get too big. Get yourself some Tren/Test and stop being a pussy and if you do deside to do that cycle you mentioned,please don't forget that Nolva and Arim because that 300mg of Test ever 10 days will have that Gyno coming on in no time lol

 

[Deacon]

I've seen natural guys look the same as guys on juice so unless you consider the BLOATED appearance the JUICED appearance,there is no such thing as a juiced appearance. .. It's nice to see your trying to avoid the FREAK look because it takes alot of hard work diet and time. .. One thing that comes to mind when you say that is the women in the gym who don't want to train with weights because they don't want to get too big. Get yourself some Tren/Test and stop being a pussy and if you do deside to do that cycle you mentioned,please don't forget that Nolva and Arim because that 300mg of Test ever 10 days will have that Gyno coming on in no time lol

Manwhore has a point - what is the "juiced look"?

 

[phx4321]

I did wonder about the on-going use of the Depo-test with no cycles and the effect it could have. The possibility of gyno is enough to scare me out.

 

[phx4321]

I guess I got the "juiced look" statement from Deacon's post in the Newbie-Cycle thread "Freaky= A bodybuilding term used to describe a person who is huge and obviously on steroids."

No offense intended.