Next Cycle

[Bullfrog17]

I'm planning on running a new cycle and was just looking for any suggestions as to how I may make it better. As of right now this is my plan:

Weeks 1-12 300mg cut mix 3x per week
Weeks 12-16 Test-E 500mg per week
Weeks 10-16 Anavar 60mg daily
weeks 1-16 Adex 20mg eod

Clomid and Nolva for PCT

What im wondering is
Should I run the cut mix the whole 16 weeks rather than switching to just test for the last 4 weeks?
Should I run the Var longer?
Should I run the cut mix at only 2x per week?
How do the dosages look overall?

Any insight would be great and thanks for the help.

 

[ebkallday]

Why run Test E for four weeks?? It takes that long to start working
fully. II'd run Test Prop instead otherwise run the Test E from the
beginning.

 

[TANGO.ECHO.KILO]

yea....you have a lot going on here.

-When you say "cut mix" I'm assuming you mean a Prop/Tren A/Mast P mix.
We need to know what the ratio is to help you lay out your dosage. Something to keep in mind is that the short esters need to be pinned EOD but I always prefer ED.
-No need to run test only last 4 weeks, IF YOU DID you need test prop not E/C. Run the cut mix the whole cycle.
-Running short esters allow you to get it "in and out" really quickly, long cycles are not necessary because you have less time for the blood levels to build in the front and less time to clear at the end. If you want to run a long cycle then you may want to consider using long esters to limit your injection frequency. 16 weeks of EOD/ED injections is a pain in the ass....literally.
-LAST but this is a BIG one.. 20 mg of ADEX EOD??? No man, go back and do some research you are scary misinformed here brother

p.s. That's a damn fine handle Bullfrog. Welcome to Meso

 

[Bullfrog17]

yea....you have a lot going on here.

-When you say "cut mix" I'm assuming you mean a Prop/Tren A/Mast P mix.
We need to know what the ratio is to help you lay out your dosage. Something to keep in mind is that the short esters need to be pinned EOD but I always prefer ED.
-No need to run test only last 4 weeks, IF YOU DID you need test prop not E/C. Run the cut mix the whole cycle.
-Running short esters allow you to get it "in and out" really quickly, long cycles are not necessary because you have less time for the blood levels to build in the front and less time to clear at the end. If you want to run a long cycle then you may want to consider using long esters to limit your injection frequency. 16 weeks of EOD/ED injections is a pain in the ass....literally.
-LAST but this is a BIG one.. 20 mg of ADEX EOD??? No man, go back and do some research you are scary misinformed here brother

p.s. That's a damn fine handle Bullfrog. Welcome to Meso

The cut mix I plan on running is astros mix...and yes its test pro, tren a, mast prop mix. with the adex should i run 10mg eod....i hear of most people running 12.5 eod or every 3rd day. the reason im suggesting 20 is bc thats what the tabs come in....i can half them.

Thanks for the welcome and I appreciate all the advice.

 

[Bullfrog17]

Am I good running 1800mg per week of the cut mix total or should I run only 1200? Running 1800 would put me at 600mg of each (test, mast, & tren) while 1200 would be 400mg each. my plan as of now is to pin 3x per week with 2ml each time equaling 1800 per week

 

[TANGO.ECHO.KILO]

First we need your stats...age/weight/ht/ cycle experience/training exp
and what are your goals?

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

you have arimidex and exemestane mixed up I believe, The above questions would be a good starting point here I think.

 

[Bullfrog17]

im 32. 5-11 and about 205 right now. Im running a bulking cycle now consisting of deca 400mg, test 500mg, and dbol 40mg (6 weeks) and I'm up from 190 when I started. I have about 8 weeks left bulking and am about a month in. I workout 3 days on and one day off consistently. Ive been lifting for about 2 years total with the last year serious. I would like to be right at 200 very cut as my goal so I hope to add another 15 20 lbs this cycle and then lean out some.

 

[Bullfrog17]

you have arimidex and exemestane mixed up I believe, The above questions would be a good starting point here I think.

Why do you say that?

 

[TANGO.ECHO.KILO]

Why do you say that?

your dosing is consistent with exemestane/aromasin...

A typical adex dose would be something to the effect of .25-.5 EOD or ED. In some cases maybe 1mg ED on large doses, I believe that is getting close to what is administered to breast cancer patients but I'm unsure to be honest. You won't see 20mg arimidex tablets, not that I'm aware of anyways.

 

[Bullfrog17]

Im sorry youre correct. I was mixing up the 2. Currently Im using anastrozole/armidex. For my next cycle Im planning to use aromasin. sorry for the confusion. what dosage of aromasin should i plan on using?

 

[TANGO.ECHO.KILO]

It will depend on your test dose and how you respond, but I think 12.5mg EOD/E3D (or 10mg if you have 20mg tabs) is a good starting point. Any reason you are moving away from Adex for your next cycle?

 

[Bullfrog17]

I'm not happy with the source I have been using so I'm switching to and I know he has aromasin but I dont believe he has adex.

 

[TANGO.ECHO.KILO]

gotcha.
Well in regards to your original questions I would stick with the mix the whole run, personally I'd only go 10-12 weeks because frequent pinning gets old quick but that is up to you. Your Var dose looks fine as long as it's good quality, I wouldn't run it longer than 6 weeks and I think you will like it on the back end. As far as your doses go that's really personal preference, I don't like the premix because I like to tweak the doses, but for convenience I see the advantage and it will be effective. My ideal doses for that stack would be:
50mg prop/75mg tren/100mg mast ED

A few guys ran this exact product from Astro for their summer cut....some with great success. I'd check the cycle logs section and dig around. When you get time go post a proper intro in the "new member introductions" subforum, so everyone can come along and get to know you man. Cheers,
-TEK

 

[Beast11]

Glad the other guys pointed out the adex dose. Yeah, i think u mixed that up with aromasin. But even for asin the standard dose is 12.5mg eod/e3d like tango mentioned.

I wouldnt run var the whole entire cycle. If u are able to get real var id keep it around 4-6 weeks and i'd personally run around 80mg.

 

[stang4u2nv]

Great info here op. Be careful with aromatase inhibitors because without blood work you can obliterate them. Look up low e2 level to learn more. Read read and read and when you are done read again to learn more. Good luck.

 

[Bullfrog17]

thanks for the info and Ill be sure to do more research. I havent had any side effects of low e2 that Ive read up on but ill be sure to keep an eye on things. Should I actually wait for signs of estrogen issues before taking the adex or is .25 eod or e3d ok as a preventitive measure?

 

[Bullfrog17]

I wanted to clarify that I plan on running 2 ml per pin at 3x per week so this will give me 600mg of each compund (test, tren, & mast) for 1800mg total per week. Am I ok to keep this dosage or should I drop down some? Also I may drop the var completely for this cycle....it can be pricey plus I'm not sure I'll need it. Thoughts? And last, should I stick with 16 weeks or go to 12? All suggestions and info would be great. Thanks again.

 

[stang4u2nv]

Bullfrog i am an advocate of less to achieve more..... I would go 12 weeks and cycle off there. Evaluate your gains and what you truly kept then move on. The longer you stay on, the harder it will be to recover. At some point you might not recover as it has happened to some people. If it was me i would watch my nips closely DAILY. If symptoms start to show up take the adex for 2-3 days and it should be gone. Adex is very strong so you will be ok.

 

[Bullfrog17]

Bullfrog i am an advocate of less to achieve more..... I would go 12 weeks and cycle off there. Evaluate your gains and what you truly kept then move on. The longer you stay on, the harder it will be to recover. At some point you might not recover as it has happened to some people. If it was me i would watch my nips closely DAILY. If symptoms start to show up take the adex for 2-3 days and it should be gone. Adex is very strong so you will be ok.

Thanks. What are your thoughts on the dosages and whether to use Anavar or not?