No Fina dick here

[Dirty South]

I assume you mean Mifepristone? Not sure why they would use that when it blocks the androgen receptor and cortisol synthesis. A side effect of using it is gynecomastia. I've read that certain androgens can interact with the progesterone receptor, so it may not directly do it, but indirectly. I've also read of some people who've used bromo with no effect. Some people say it's just IGF-1 which causes it. But you still haven't said if you added T to your cycle.

I have used T in the past ... but that is in the past.

I would not call this a cycle. I brewed up a batch of Finaplix H, exactly as described to try out on my dog. I got rid of most if not all the cloudy mess by repeatidly passing it though a coffee filter and then squeezing the filter, so most of the what I thought was desirable Tren came out and the fillers and glues, mainly metilcelulose.

Supposedly the tren is forced together with the metilcelulose more or less the
stuff paper is made out of, and yellow dye is added that is ALL that should be there no Estrogen no glues .. just tren and metilcelulose.

This post caught my attention ... I am putting it up for reference only.
It is dated 06-07-2010 which is recent for most of the posts. To be clear I am in this country and I wanted to lose weight with what I was doing not gain "a few extra pounds of
muscle for the summer". Either I missed this post or ignored it .. but it is there. I am older than
this guy let's just say over 35 and my beach going days are over with, but I did put on some weight this summer 2011 mainly because I ate and slept and it is all lovely pasty watery fat.

Bottom line is I did what I did .. no use crying over spilled milk now. I feel better right now the
night sweats, bad dreams have lessened my nipples are no longer as tender to the touch,
my penis can hold an erection .. not for long .. but it can still do it. So I am hoping that in a few months to a year I will be more or less ok.

If other people have converted Finaplix H and injected with no problem that is great. I am just putting down what happened to me, needless to say I am still scared ...

Finaplix H Converted.Any health Risks?
hi,

i was looking for information about Finaplix conversions when an administrator of a forum tell me not to do it because health risks..!he talk about some unwanted substances that come together with Tren that are toxic and can cause death! He scared me to death!
he tells me that source is contaminated with estrogen, so with contaminated-derived plastic, metilcelulose.
He said that Finaplix is made to use in animals that will be slaughtered soon; certainly it's not a surprise when I say that is not safe for use in humans. Nobody sane uses Finaplix. The only advice I give is to do a pause and ask yourself: Should i buy illegal implants in our country, modify them with rudimentary techniques and aggressive solvents self-administered just to got a few extra pounds of muscle for the summer?

Someone with experience and well informed could comment on these statements. I was thinking about doing the conversion but want to be well informed of the pros and cons of it: Confused:
Thanx for the help

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[Bill Roberts]

What is your point? You're being very repetitive, and regurgitating old posts, and also putting out total misinformation, and you're ignoring everything anyone else posts or even stating specifically that there's no reason for you to listen to it. So what are you trying to accomplish? Are you on a public service mission?

 

[HDH]

I call it carma for the pooch.

I think you got it for yourself and tested it on the dog.

I'm embarrassed for you.

HDH

 

[Dirty South]

I call it carma for the pooch.

I think you got it for yourself and tested it on the dog.

I'm embarrassed for you.

HDH

Can't blame you for thinking that.

It was for the dog.

By the way it is spelled "KARMA" and maybe that is what it is.

The dog did fine. No problems with the dog except animal aggression, which it had from the

get go. I had no problems re-homing the big guy.

I am not here to debate really. I just put down the particulars of my case

and referenced things that I found regarding Finaplix. There has got to be a ton

of people converting Finaplix H for personal use and I pretty much spilled all the beans

regarding my case to see if there where people who had similar issues.

You can make whatever comments you want. I am sorry I messed with this stuff.

I am not even anti gear, I have done Andropen from British Dragon (Green cap) a few years

back.

That is why I have the Proviron and Nolvadex on hand.

I did not stack the Finaplix brew with anything else and I did not take any anti estrogens

when I did inject it. That about sums it up really.

 

[bodybuilding0841]

Re:

Getting exercises have become an important part of health improvement institutions like the gym. People nowadays are more conscious of how they look than they were ten years ago..

 

[HDH]

Can't blame you for thinking that.

It was for the dog.

By the way it is spelled "KARMA" and maybe that is what it is.

The dog did fine. No problems with the dog except animal aggression, which it had from the

get go. I had no problems re-homing the big guy.

I am not here to debate really. I just put down the particulars of my case

and referenced things that I found regarding Finaplix. There has got to be a ton

of people converting Finaplix H for personal use and I pretty much spilled all the beans

regarding my case to see if there where people who had similar issues.

You can make whatever comments you want. I am sorry I messed with this stuff.

I am not even anti gear, I have done Andropen from British Dragon (Green cap) a few years

back.

That is why I have the Proviron and Nolvadex on hand.

I did not stack the Finaplix brew with anything else and I did not take any anti estrogens

when I did inject it. That about sums it up really.

Regardless of how you put it, your dog is not a lab rat. I've done some stupid things in my time of learning but I never involved others or the family pet. That's called abuse. How did the attack go with the neighbor?

At least I just spelled a word that gave a different meaning and not just totally misspelled it-

Better go back and check your posts for spelling... Einstein

One that sticks out is ejeculation. Maybe if it was ejaculation it might feel better to you.

Now, if your not to pissed off keep reading.

If the dog is fine, you should be too. If it was the fina you should both suffer the same. So the problem lies with you. I would suggest going to the doc ASAP. Sounds like you might end up being a gear lifer. By that I mean HRT/TRT. But who knows without actually going in.

I got this from another board that got it from another board. There are a lot of things on there that we already know but maybe this will help you. I invite Bill and Michael to check it out and do any critiquing as they are the brains of this operation.

by megazoid, Jan 19, 2007 12:00AM
OK Guy's, i found this thread by accident and i thought it would be important to reply. First off i want everyone to relax and stay calm and i don't want anyone to think about suicide, i suffered the exact same as you guy's did but no one to give me any kind of answers (i am only 24 myself). I have the answers you guy's need, so please let me explain my own story first.

When i was born, i was a healthy, young baby boy. However it wasn't noticed that i had an undescended testicle (right testicle) until i was 2 year's old. The testicle was brought down but this in turn caused the testicle to remain small and atrophied (dysfunctional). My left testicle took over throughout puberty and became large and fully functional. I went through puberty as normal but my left testicle gained a huge size (2/3 inches) to compensate for the other 'lost' testicle.

6 months ago i got an injury to my left testicle which caused a varicocele to form (enlargement/swelling of the veins), this in turn causes blood pooling issues int he testicle and over-heating to occur (along with abnormal hormonal parameters). Over a course of 3 months my testicle atrophied and my sperm count dropped. During this time i just didn't "feel right" (so to speak) and wasn't getting morning erections or having a libido. I had joint and muscle pains and all manner of skin changes occured (more so on my penis like you guy's - skin thinning, maybe a little dry at times). What had happened was a hormonal inbalance had set in and caused low testosterone (hypogonadism). Like you guy's my penis shrunk up really bad and my testicles were always very tight and didn't hang as normal.

Flaccid penis size is controlled by the free testosterone levels available in the blood. DHT (A hormone that gives us "all things male") has a large degree of control over the penilie tissues (the "elasticness" of them for example). The Testosterone to estrogen ratio controls how "hard" your erections get and if this got knocked out (due to lack of testosterone for example) then getting erections will be tough and your flaccid penis will hang alot smaller and lifeless at times.

Morning wood is an indication of the correct ratio of Testosterone to Estrogen (E2). Lack of morning wood in almost all cases means either excess estrogen or low testosterone.

Imagine the flaccid penis like a balloon. When there isn't enough testosterone in the blood to support it "shrinks" up. You guy's need to be aware that unless you live with this for like 4/5 year's the penis dosen't "actually" shrink and lose tissue (it's already developed muscular tissue) but just shrinks up into itself.

You WILL get your penis size and erection ability back when you get your hormones in order.

So how did you develop this condition? Well there are 3 forms. Primary Hypogonadism which means testicular dysfunction (caused by tramua to the testicles - hernia, varicocele, mumps, hard kick, etc) and secondary which indicates a problem with your piturity gland not sending out enough messages to keep your testosterone level high. Central Hypogonadism is a problem with both the piturity gland and the testicles (this is rare).

Secondary hypogonadism can indicate a piturity tumour or be brought on from head tramua. An MRI is needed and frequent blood work to elevate (generally secondary will be indicated by low LH/FSH in the 1/2 range).

A normal testosterone level of 23nmol (or more) is required for sperm production and normal male functioning, anything lower (even if your doctor "claims" you are normal) isn't.

Low testosterone can lead to high estrogen which in turn can cause prostate rated problems (prostitis for example).

If you are overweight or have stomach fat you most likely have higher levels of estrogen which again cause erection problems and smaller flaccid penis size.

HDH

 

[Dirty South]

No, it isn't... if you like I can post the structures; or alternately if you like you can explain why you say they are similar.

Finaplix H use has been around for a LONG time. It doesn't cause what you are experiencing.

I am no chemist, this is what I thought was common knowledge regarding tren ..

"Trenbolone is interesting because much of what you read will end in two truths. Number one, it is androgenic (some literature actually says six times more androgenic thatn testosterone), and two, it is a progesterone derived drug. This sounds like a paradox. For functional purposes, tren is a hearty androgen that also has a chemical structure that is very similar to progesterone. Trenbolone is also non-aromatizing. The real world application is that tren can make you strong and grow like you are on test, without the water weight (there will be no estrogen), and without the increased sex_drive caused by testosterone (because of tren’s anti-libido progestagenic affect)" .......

"Progestagenic Affects of drugs are often over-looked. This is because most individuals do not know how potent progesterone really is in the body. All you ever really here is the bad stuff about estrogen. Well, progesterone my friends can be pretty nasty. Remember what we've said about sex offenders and progesterone. the government itself uses progesterone treatment to kill the sex_drive of male sex offenders in order to help control their cravings. If it works on a freak, it will definitely work on a normal person. Don't forget, progesterone kills sex_drive in the male." ......

"Trenbolone also has progestagenic affects. Tren, as we’ve previously said, possesses strong androgenic properties. Tren is not known in the anabolic steroid community to cause gyno. However, it would be interesting to observe many cycles of anabolic steroids which include a heavily aromatizing steroid with trenbolone. No doubt many athletes have combined tren and testosterone with miraculous results. It would be interesting to note amongst these individuals if they have ever developed gyno when combining the drugs, but not when taking them alone."

What I exposed myself to was Finaplix H, not pharmaceutical grade Trenbolone. You are correct
conversion of Finaplix H has been around a LONG time. Since I injected into belly fat it may have stuck around a long time.

Depo-Provera is a branded progestogen-only contraceptive is used for chemical castration, which was mentioned. It is injected every three months. It kills the offenders sex drive, causes
shrinking of the testicles and presumably shrinkage of the penis.

Like I said in my post I am older .. over 35 plus 10 or so years. Since I injected the Fina brew I
have not been feeling well, mainly tired. My best guess is that the Fina leached out of my belly
fat when I did some strenuous work and hit me hard over a weeks period.

Also the dosage is a mystery, basically one cartridge to one bottle of the brew. I used three in
total, most of it going to my dog. I recall doing four injections over the span of a month. One per week, however I may have done more and would have done more if I had seen the results I wanted. The syringes where 10cc, injected into belly fat.

They say chemical castration is reversible and I hope self induced Finaplix H castration turns
out to also be reversible. I don't think they make dresses in my size and I do not look good in pink.

If I had injected into muscle maybe I would have had a bad reaction right away and stopped.
I injected into belly fat because I was afraid of sepsis, although the brew was exposed to high
temperatures and I kept things clean and had no problem with infection.

What I am hoping for is that someone else who has had a negative experience with Finaplix
will step forward and post.

I know there are tons of guys who get lean muscle using Finaplix home brew. I know power lifters love this stuff, but I am reaching out to those who had a bad experience.

Most serious athletes do not get their gear from a feed store, they acquire trenbolone that
is ... lets say more pure. For the rest of us this is a great thread to voice your negative experience and or positive experience.

Right now I have no real sex drive, my little man is hiding. however with concentration and quality porn I get enough wood to blow a load. The loads seem white and healthy and my
testicles are smaller but still firm. I attribute this to Nolvadex Proviron, which is all I have
available currently (when all you have is a hammer all problems look like nails).

 

[Bill Roberts]

Your only response to anything I've said is that it's "common knowledge" that what I'm saying is wrong, and just continuing on in your same path. I haven't seen where you've gained anything from anybody. I don't mean that there wasn't anything to gain: I mean, I haven't seen where you've accepted it.

So, I have to take ti that you are just wanting to vent what you are thinking on this and really don't want to hear what anyone else has to say. Okay. That's fair enough.

But still I would really recommend you see a urologist for your current symptoms, which trenbolone doesn't cause, let alone 3 months after the fact. So far you haven't been hearing, and it's your right not to. However, there's the advice whether you want to take it or not.

 

[HDH]

I've been around for a bit and have seen many guys on many boards have success with the brew. I've never seen this problem that you are having because of Finaplix.

Now, I have seen people with this problem but they were using other aas.

I understand why your thinking what you are but lets keep an open mind about it.

Might just have to bit the bullet and see a doc. Either that or research TRT/HRT and see how that works for you. If you go that rout though, you will be on for life.

I would check with a doc first. I think we know what the blood test will show, but the doc might be able to help you avoid a lifetime treatment.

Nobody is pulling your leg here. If it was a fact, we would not condone using it in any way. This is a good board for knowledge. Not only experience but a medical view as well.

HDH

 

[MR10X]

Are you taking any other drugs,even non steroid drugs can cause ED......

 

[Dirty South]

Are you taking any other drugs,even non steroid drugs can cause ED......

I am taking xanax but I have been taking that for years.

By the way I want to thank you guys for not jumping on my posts. I tried out the cow pellets,

for the same reason most do. They are easy to get, fairly simple to convert and really cheap.

Maybe it is my body chemistry, my age, who knows what that made my body react the way it did.

I plan on getting complete blood work done including Testosterone levels, I would be funny if

the doctor prescribed AndroGel for low T?

I am a bit surprised that there are not more posts regarding the effects of home brew

cow pellets? When I do go in and get blood tests I will post the results. Gyno is not a desirable

result, I don't see many posts regarding the cow pellet conversion, so it may not happen

that often to other people, or they don't want to post.

 

[Dirty South]

Your only response to anything I've said is that it's "common knowledge" that what I'm saying is wrong, and just continuing on in your same path. I haven't seen where you've gained anything from anybody. I don't mean that there wasn't anything to gain: I mean, I haven't seen where you've accepted it.

So, I have to take ti that you are just wanting to vent what you are thinking on this and really don't want to hear what anyone else has to say. Okay. That's fair enough.

But still I would really recommend you see a urologist for your current symptoms, which trenbolone doesn't cause, let alone 3 months after the fact. So far you haven't been hearing, and it's your right not to. However, there's the advice whether you want to take it or not.

Yep .. I want to vent .. Finaplix (Tren) info is all over the place. Here is advice from a Board Moderator for a guy who go Fina Dick after 10 weeks of using Tren in "light cycle". Posting it here for reference well written clear and to the point.

Well if you did tren then it wasn't a "light cycle." Tren is one of the most anabolic compounds available.

The problem here is elevated estrogen and prolactin. Estrogen reduces libido and prolactin is what caused the ED. Getting the estrogen under control could help but based on my own experience and several others who have posted here once you have this issue post cycle it is much harder to correct.

I suggest getting some dostinex (a dopamine agonist) as it lowers prolactin. The nolva will help lower estrogen but that probably won't be enough. Here is what I suggest you do.

Run .25mg of adex ED, .25mg dostinex ED and 20mg of nolva ED and 50mg clomid ED for 2 weeks.
Then lower the doses to .25mg adex E3D, .25mg dostinex E3D, nolva 10mg ED and 25mg clomid ED for the next week. Then drop the adex and dostinex and continue with nolva at 10mg ED and 25mg clomid ED for 2 more weeks.

I suspect that the majority of those using the cow pellet Finaplix H, do NOT stack and use the pellets because they are cheap easy to get and they see their friends making gains. The above
anti- estrogen, anti- progesterones and dostinex to lower prolactin all have to be purchased
through a source and are NOT cheap especially dostinex.

Right now my sex drive is dead. My penis and testicles have gained some volume, as I am taking nolvadex and proviron. The weather is changing and I am not as HOT and tired all the time. Night sweats seem to have stopped, now just keeping an eye on the progress of the
OEM equipment. Still afraid of taking a blood profile, afraid that the results may not be good
because this stuff is still in my system.

Seems you guys have had no problems with tren, but you don't state if you did your own home
brew, bought the stuff from a source, took any precautionary anti- estrogens? Read that
stacking Tren and Deca will cause a train wreck to your "manhood". Anyone want to share any
information or experiences?

I recall the old days before the Internet when you got your Roid 101 instructions from the big
guy at the gym, who also sold you the gear. Ever wonder what happened to him .. lol?
Now we have the benefit of sharing information, which I believe keeps everyone better informed,
takes some of the guess work out and adds a level of semi-safety if you take the time to get
informed before hand.

 

[dfein]

If you haven't taken a blood test, how do you know whether your issues are just related to low testosterone? Because all of those symptoms will happen if you do have low testosterone.

 

[Dirty South]

If you haven't taken a blood test, how do you know whether your issues are just related to low testosterone? Because all of those symptoms will happen if you do have low testosterone.

"As trenbolone is such a strong steroid, it is very harsh on the HTPA axis and will shut down the body's natural testosterone production very easily and, for many, very harshly. It is comparable to 'deca dick' that people can experience with deca, and longer cycles may need to include the use of HCG to restore one's own natural production of testosterone. Recovery from cycles containing trenbolone is not easy, and requires a very well thought out and stringent PCT routine and diet."

If the cow pellet juice is still in my system leaching out of belly fat, where I injected it. I suspect
my blood results will show all sorts of things including low T.

As I mentioned I had bad night sweats, felt hot all the time. The aggression and raging thoughts
where off the charts. To add to this list .. feeling of lethargy off and on flue like symptoms after
a shot. I went to the gym a few times when I was using the home brew. Basically I felt I could lift as much weight as I wanted to. But then I would be too lethargic to follow up on a
routine. You know, when you don't feel good and you take a day off. Well that day turned into
a week and then a month and so on.

To answer your question more specifically, right now I do not feel like dealing with bad test
results. I will be getting the complete work up including T levels and sperm count, just not right
now.

 

[dfein]

Then it's probably a good chance that you are just shut down hard since Testosterone is what really what lets you work out and recover quick enough for the next session. Though if you were feeling this ON trenbolone, then that's pretty strange. I've never used Tren, but I believe you have to inject it every day. It could be that since you injected it subcutaneously, you are having horrible peaks and troughs and experiencing low and high androgen levels at the same time.

 

[MR10X]

"As I mentioned I had bad night sweats, felt hot all the time. The aggression and raging thoughts
where off the charts. To add to this list .. feeling of lethargy off and on flue like symptoms after
a shot. I went to the gym a few times when I was using the home brew. Basically I felt I could lift as much weight as I wanted to. But then I would be too lethargic to follow up on a
routine."

YEP,thats tren you have all the symptoms......

 

[bristol]

My cousin is in week 7 of a tren ace only cycle, and he tells me that he has never been hornier. And it is legit strango tren, no knock off. I think fina really works differently with different folks. Obviously test is recommended and beneficial, but from what I have heard from people in my real life circle (as opposed to what I read on the internet), fina dick does not exist.

That is what has been told to me by 3 different guys. 2 of which were running prop with their tren, so they would have no reason to get fina dick, and the other, my cousin, is running nothing except tren ace @ 75 mg ED, and some letrozole.

EDIT: I am NOT speaking from personal experience. I have never done tren. However, I will take the plunge into that golden yellow abyss of oil this summer (with test prop... because regardless of what my cousin and buddies say, I don't want fina dick. Being an addict of vaginal plundering, sex is way too important to me to even go one week while adjusting my prop dosage to get my thing working again. No thanks. I will personally start with a higher prop dose than my tren dose).

 

[foreveryoung]

interesting thread

from my experience it seems like those that lose their libido after doing tren seem to have troubles with it that lasts much longer after natural testosterone bounces back, which leads me to believe that something else goes out of whack in the endocrine system that persists

someone mentioned progesterone, this intrigues me, as it is a hormone that is not talked about much or tested for much I don't think (correct me if wrong). I know that prolactin is often blamed, but from experience it seems dostinex or others like it is not working out as a solution, so I have my doubts about prolactin being the actual culprit

 

[Bill Roberts]

And besides that, those claiming prolactin as the enemy never (so far as I can tell) bother actually measuing prolactin with a blood test.

Prolactin, incidentally, often is increased with testosterone cycles where an antiaromatase isn't used.

Nor, in the case of blaming trenbolone, do they bother with a single piece of evidence to show that trenboline increases (allegedly) prolactin.

As for progestagenic effect, there's no evidence of significant progestagenic effect, and there is evidence that effect is insignificant (potency only 1% that of progesterone itself.)

 

[Dirty South]

interesting thread

from my experience it seems like those that lose their libido after doing tren seem to have troubles with it that lasts much longer after natural testosterone bounces back, which leads me to believe that something else goes out of whack in the endocrine system that persists

someone mentioned progesterone, this intrigues me, as it is a hormone that is not talked about much or tested for much I don't think (correct me if wrong). I know that prolactin is often blamed, but from experience it seems dostinex or others like it is not working out as a solution, so I have my doubts about prolactin being the actual culprit

You say from "your experience"?

You know people that have had the "limp dickitious" after Finaplix/tren?

" trenbolone, nandrolone and oxymetholone (all known by "progesteronic agonists") all can
cause a temporary similar condition."

I got the above from a long post and I do not want to enter into a debate. I want to know
how "temporary" is the loss of libido and function for those who have gotten gyno from
Deca, tren, nandrolone oxymetholone, Anadrol or any other similar agent?

What is the prognosis? How long do men who have gyno .. ED problems stay shut down?
By the way the Proviron is doing wonders, my voice is deeper but my sex drive is low and
my erections are weak. This thread is focused on Finaplix .. Tren. I am not really getting
the answers I am looking for. I am not interested in debating, since I am no scientist and
it serves no purpose. The agents listed are known to shut some men down, what I am
interested in is the approximate recovery time (I hope there such a thing as recovery) for
any of the named drugs?

Right now I am doing much .. much better, limp dick and all. The off and on night sweats
with fast heart beat seem to be waning. My main concern is recovery time. This stuff is strong,
and for me the recovery is slow.