okay will do, thanks
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4leafclover
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Caber on test is pointless, and expensive to run something that helps with 0 things that test can cause. Test does not convert to any compound that can create prolactin sides.
You should not get boner problems on test alone, period. There is something else in your test, if you do get problems.
The only time I get boner problems is from nor compounds. I lose libido on oral only cycles, but my cock still works, I just don't feel like sex.
There are a total of 4 studies, in which prolactin might of been linked to testosterone use, but they also noted other sides that we more commonly associate with testosterone (high e2 levels), and in all studies they were non-conclusive of prolactin being a direct result of testosterone use. Caber is used for tren or deca. Other than that, you're wasting your money. Use something cheaper like adex or arom if your e2 levels are high.
And how your e2 levels could be high on 250mg a week, I have no fucking clue. More than likely, your shit is bunk as others have said. Wait 2.5 days after your injection to get bloods done, especially since you have been on that dose for a while now.
You should not get boner problems on test alone, period. There is something else in your test, if you do get problems.
The only time I get boner problems is from nor compounds. I lose libido on oral only cycles, but my cock still works, I just don't feel like sex.
There are a total of 4 studies, in which prolactin might of been linked to testosterone use, but they also noted other sides that we more commonly associate with testosterone (high e2 levels), and in all studies they were non-conclusive of prolactin being a direct result of testosterone use. Caber is used for tren or deca. Other than that, you're wasting your money. Use something cheaper like adex or arom if your e2 levels are high.
And how your e2 levels could be high on 250mg a week, I have no fucking clue. More than likely, your shit is bunk as others have said. Wait 2.5 days after your injection to get bloods done, especially since you have been on that dose for a while now.
Okay sounds good thanks, should I stop the cycle if something is fucked up? I only have 2 weeks left.
4leafclover
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Your cycle will only show hormone levels, so it doesn't expose the plethora of shit that your gear might be. For instance, I've heard of them using cocaine in gear to give you a "placebo" test effect. A hormone panel would not uncover this. It will show you, if your gear has been spiked with female compounds however.
Just make sure you don't order a shitty one, that only shows >1500 as a result for test (but I doubt your levels are that high, or else you would of seen some small gains). Lots of TRT patients report long term muscle gains, even when on for 2+ years, they still experience strength gains regularly (provided they exercise with some regularity).
Depends on your bloods if you should stop. If it's just high e2, then take an AI and finish the cycle. If a bunch of shit is out of whack, I personally would stop, throw the rest of the shit away and start planning for my next cycle.
What were your goals going on the dose that you went on?
Just make sure you don't order a shitty one, that only shows >1500 as a result for test (but I doubt your levels are that high, or else you would of seen some small gains). Lots of TRT patients report long term muscle gains, even when on for 2+ years, they still experience strength gains regularly (provided they exercise with some regularity).
Depends on your bloods if you should stop. If it's just high e2, then take an AI and finish the cycle. If a bunch of shit is out of whack, I personally would stop, throw the rest of the shit away and start planning for my next cycle.
What were your goals going on the dose that you went on?
Abuckeye
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Like I said before bloodwork is your best friend. Luckily I had mine tested before I started and around 7 weeks in I had it tested again.
I'm not trying to get into an argument with anyone as I'm still learning myself so please dont take this the wrong way.
I have a family member who is a doctor so when I had my issues I went to him and told him what happened to me. He ran my bloodwork and my estrogen was a little high as well as my prolactin. At first he recommended that I upped my dose of aromysin from half a ml every 3 days to a full ml every three days. My issue got somewhat better but it still wasn't as good as I would've liked.
I went back and he tested my blood again. We saw that my estrogen was where it needed to be but my prolactin was high so he decided to try dostinex. I've taken my doses and it has solved it. Now does that mean what he prescribed is right? No but my issues has been solved for now.
Me and my doctor are far from being experts and I bow to the vets that are here!!!
I'm just stating my experience whether it's right or not !!!!
I'm not trying to get into an argument with anyone as I'm still learning myself so please dont take this the wrong way.
I have a family member who is a doctor so when I had my issues I went to him and told him what happened to me. He ran my bloodwork and my estrogen was a little high as well as my prolactin. At first he recommended that I upped my dose of aromysin from half a ml every 3 days to a full ml every three days. My issue got somewhat better but it still wasn't as good as I would've liked.
I went back and he tested my blood again. We saw that my estrogen was where it needed to be but my prolactin was high so he decided to try dostinex. I've taken my doses and it has solved it. Now does that mean what he prescribed is right? No but my issues has been solved for now.
Me and my doctor are far from being experts and I bow to the vets that are here!!!
I'm just stating my experience whether it's right or not !!!!
Fuck there better not be blow in my gear! I get drug tested for that shit!! Good info thanks, I was just wanting to add a few pounds of muscle, don't laugh but I'm a men's physique competitor and really don't need much more size.
4leafclover
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If your prolactin was high, then caber makes sense. But I have not had to use caber for test only cycles, or with a test/oral cycle. If you get prescribed it, fine, it won't cost you as much as trying to find it. But that's one of the most expensive OCT drugs you can take, running anywhere from 20-50 dollars a week. Whereas you can find adex for 30-50 dollars for two months worth. And in my opinion aromasin is only slightly better than nolva or clomid, a lot of people here use it, and to each his own. I personally prefer adex.
But I'm one of the fortunate ones, I hardly experience any gyno symptoms.
Sorry, your first post just seemed like bad advice, you recommended caber right off the bat. There are a lot better options to start with first. Like bloods, lol.
But I'm one of the fortunate ones, I hardly experience any gyno symptoms.
Sorry, your first post just seemed like bad advice, you recommended caber right off the bat. There are a lot better options to start with first. Like bloods, lol.
4leafclover
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500-600mg a week for 8 weeks would of done the job. Also vetting the labs you plan on buying by searching our underground to see what info has been posted on that lab/reseller would of also suited you better.
[QUE="4leafclover, post: 1089571, member: 67122"]500-600mg a week for 8 weeks would of done the job. Also vetting the labs you plan on buying by searching our underground to see what info has been posted on that lab/reseller would of also suited you better.[/QUOTE]
Ya im going to run 500mg test and probably 40mg dbol for the first 4 to 6 weeks for my next cycle, I've been reading in the underground every night and all the labs seem to think they are the best so its getting frustrating finding a good ugl.
Ya im going to run 500mg test and probably 40mg dbol for the first 4 to 6 weeks for my next cycle, I've been reading in the underground every night and all the labs seem to think they are the best so its getting frustrating finding a good ugl.
4leafclover
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Most of the members, will let you know the quality of a lab (customer service, gear experiences, TA). Don't pay attention to the sales pitch...
If you only want a couple of pounds, dbol isn't the way to go. Don't get me wrong, dbol is my favorite, but it will add more than a couple of pounds.
If you only want a couple of pounds, dbol isn't the way to go. Don't get me wrong, dbol is my favorite, but it will add more than a couple of pounds.
What oral would you recommende? Or should I just run test at 500 and see where that gets me.
4leafclover
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If you want 10-12 lbs of real weight, just run test. Since it doesn't look like you got very good test this run, those gains should be easy to realize in 8-10 weeks, with good training and food intake, with some decent gear.
If you want to go for the white buffalo for your first run 20+ lbs, then go 750 mg, and 20-25mg of accurately dosed dbol, and with good training and food intake, you should be able to get there.
I don't know why, but even as cheap as dbol is, it is sometimes faked. A buddy gave me some genza dbol, I took 50mg a day of it, and I didn't get shit from it. My last dbol I ran 12-18mg a day (6mg either 2 or 3x a day), and I was super happy with my results. Put on 30 lbs so far this year (a mix of natural and juiced volume training).
If you want to go for the white buffalo for your first run 20+ lbs, then go 750 mg, and 20-25mg of accurately dosed dbol, and with good training and food intake, you should be able to get there.
I don't know why, but even as cheap as dbol is, it is sometimes faked. A buddy gave me some genza dbol, I took 50mg a day of it, and I didn't get shit from it. My last dbol I ran 12-18mg a day (6mg either 2 or 3x a day), and I was super happy with my results. Put on 30 lbs so far this year (a mix of natural and juiced volume training).
Okay awesome advice
Abuckeye
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I agree that my first post was bad advice!! I probably should've went into more detail about my bloodwork!!!
I can be an idiot sometimes!!!!
Mr. 4leafclover,
Could you please tell me what benefits that you've experienced on arimidex over aromysin. I've only used aromysin!!!
Thanks
I can be an idiot sometimes!!!!
Mr. 4leafclover,
Could you please tell me what benefits that you've experienced on arimidex over aromysin. I've only used aromysin!!!
Thanks
4leafclover
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I don't have to use it as often, and the dosage is less. For whatever reason, most AI and clomid always make me nauseous. With adex, I can keep the dosage low enough that the sides don't bother me.
There is also the other benefit for me, since I don't use a lot of AI, I only have to run Adex for a week (2 pills) to get my e2 levels back in check, then I can discontinue them until gyno sides show back up.
I just don't like running AI or SERMS while on cycle. Some people say they get joint (knee) pain from adex, I have never experienced that. At higher doses I do feel like I want to vomit for 4 hours.
There is also the other benefit for me, since I don't use a lot of AI, I only have to run Adex for a week (2 pills) to get my e2 levels back in check, then I can discontinue them until gyno sides show back up.
I just don't like running AI or SERMS while on cycle. Some people say they get joint (knee) pain from adex, I have never experienced that. At higher doses I do feel like I want to vomit for 4 hours.
