No, I will not get you any gear (rant)!

[Pericles]

My 20 lb weight loss and body transformation has created a situation where my friends are interested in my source, so I hooked them up. I did so, but with the caveat that they do things responsibly and safely. Essentially, they made promises to me that were meant to ensure their health. Not one of them adhered to their commitments, as explained below.

Friend A: A very seasoned veteran, and I hooked him up. I always make sure that a person is not risking their health, and if they are not interested in that topic I won't do anything for them. Friend A and I had a frank discussion, and I found out that he was on 1k mg of test, 600 mg of EQ, and another 600 of various compounds. He probably is taking other stuff that he did not cop to The guy looks like he is 3 weeks out from a show, but he does no cardio. Also, he has 4 children, one of which is 2 months old. But it gets worse: He is 40 had a heart attack a while back.

Also, he has not been off in more than 5 years! So, what I did was bargain with him. I could not get him to commit to going off and doing a pct, but he promised that he would go down to 400 mg weekly of test w/ no other compounds.

Well, as soon as he got what he wanted (Mast) he said that he was not going down to 400, instead he wanted to try and get a masters pro card. He asked if I would help, I said OK, what show are we picking? He said he was not sure yet.

Essentially he was lying to me the whole time. I said to him "you have a 2 month old boy, at the rate you are going you will be dead before he is 5." Now, we are not even on speaking terms.

 

[Pericles]

Friend B: 26 years old, has been doing gear since he was 22 (IE too young).

I hooked him up, got him everything he needed for a pct. He also was interested in Mast. We had a talk (I asked if he was staying off for as long as he is on...that was a rule I always adhered to, so a 3 moth cycle=3 months off) and he agreed.

Well, once he got what he want he informed me that he was going to "cruise." I asked, "what does that mean?" He said he was going to stay on 300 mg a week, and was not doing a pct. He has been on for 5 months, and it looks like he will take no time off.

Friend C: 42, has done a lot of natural training and was just finishing a diet and was in fairly good shape. A good candidate for AAS. I gave him my lecture "this is not just a one time decision, when you start using gear you will always want to use it again. That is why you must discipline yourself and realize that using is a life long choice. I also explained that you must have everything you need (IE pct etc.) before you even start. However, once he got what he wanted, and he has just enough gear to completely shut him down, I have not seen him. I called him several times and does not pick up. Again, he is going to f himself up. He has absolutely no pct materials or anything to combat sides.

OK, sorry for the rant. I guess I forgot that people are going to do what they want regardless of what I say or explain to them.

 

[mcleod2305]

All you can do is give them your advise what ever they do then is there choice you can Lead a horse to water

 

[Pericles]

Correct....oh, and just to be clear, I gave them my ugl connect (did not sell anything).

 

[Herbalist]

Some people you just cant help sadly.

 

[Dr JIM]

PC your experience exemplifies exactly what I was referencing in Millard's "legalize drugs or AAS" post, the unwillingness or inability of people control their behavior!

 

[rcorchid]

I guess if I felt the need to hand-hold and babysit someone after leading them to a source, I wouldn't do it anymore.

 

[Pericles]

PC your experience exemplifies exactly what I was referencing in Millard's "legalize drugs or AAS" post, the unwillingness or inability of people control their behavior!

Here is the really wierd thing: I have a very addictive personality. At one time I was drinking at least 15 beers a day, and was addicted to every drug out there. I have 15.5 years drug and alcohol free. When it comes to steroids I never really had a desire to do heavy doses. I did when I was competing and did not like it. The biggest I will ever do is the 350 mg /test/Mast combo weekly w/ 60 mg ed of var.

 

[Millard]

PC your experience exemplifies exactly what I was referencing in Millard's "legalize drugs or AAS" post, the unwillingness or inability of people control their behavior!

I know what you're saying. I just don't think the government role should be paternalistic when it comes to substances. It has tried and it has been very ineffective.

What the government ends up doing (rather than prevent/control behaviors) is dealing with the consequences of people's behavior.

I think drug use and abuse is a medical problem and not a legal problem.

My position is stop criminalizing and start medicalizing.

 

[Kamala]

I know what you're saying. I just don't think the government role should be paternalistic when it comes to substances. It has tried and it has been very ineffective.

What the government ends up doing (rather than prevent/control behaviors) is dealing with the consequences of people's behavior.

I think drug use and abuse is a medical problem and not a legal problem.

My position is stop criminalizing and start medicalizing.

Amen.

It makes you wonder at what point they'll actually step back and look at the current situation, and realize how much the war on drugs has failed.

Einstein's definition of insanity comes to mind.

 

[biggerben69]

My 20 lb weight loss and body transformation has created a situation where my friends are interested in my source, so I hooked them up. I did so, but with the caveat that they do things responsibly and safely. Essentially, they made promises to me that were meant to ensure their health. Not one of them adhered to their commitments, as explained below.

Friend A: A very seasoned veteran, and I hooked him up. I always make sure that a person is not risking their health, and if they are not interested in that topic I won't do anything for them. Friend A and I had a frank discussion, and I found out that he was on 1k mg of test, 600 mg of EQ, and another 600 of various compounds. He probably is taking other stuff that he did not cop to The guy looks like he is 3 weeks out from a show, but he does no cardio. Also, he has 4 children, one of which is 2 months old. But it gets worse: He is 40 had a heart attack a while back.

Also, he has not been off in more than 5 years! So, what I did was bargain with him. I could not get him to commit to going off and doing a pct, but he promised that he would go down to 400 mg weekly of test w/ no other compounds.

Well, as soon as he got what he wanted (Mast) he said that he was not going down to 400, instead he wanted to try and get a masters pro card. He asked if I would help, I said OK, what show are we picking? He said he was not sure yet.

Essentially he was lying to me the whole time. I said to him "you have a 2 month old boy, at the rate you are going you will be dead before he is 5." Now, we are not even on speaking terms.

Dress it up how you want....it distributing, Now shoot that shit, P.

 

[biggerben69]

I know what you're saying. I just don't think the government role should be paternalistic when it comes to substances. It has tried and it has been very ineffective.

What the government ends up doing (rather than prevent/control behaviors) is dealing with the consequences of people's behavior.

I think drug use and abuse is a medical problem and not a legal problem.

My position is stop criminalizing and start medicalizing.

I'm so far to the right, some think I support the Right.

 

[Kamala]

I helped one guy I knew by hooking him up with a few of my sources, and the first thing he did was be "that guy" that every gym has that starts pushing to kids. Started talking openly in the gym about it to the point people were pissed about it, ripped off at least 3 people that I know of ( got the $$$ up front and didn't deliver, and made up crazy BS excuses ) and when one of them got pissed about being owed money the guy I hooked up was gonna give him vegetable oil in a vial.

The LAST time I ever help anybody out lol....... Sad thing is a vial of test is $130 at gym level here, he could have just been honest and still done really well.

 

[biggerben69]

I'm so far to the right, some think I support the Right.

I'm so far to the left some people think I'm on the right. Duh..

 

[Dr JIM]

BB it sounds like your smack dab in the "middle" like most sane folk, IMO

 

[Pericles]

I will say, that one thing Govt. is doing right is mandating attendance at AA/NA/CA to stay out of jail. These are the only programs that are effective. I still attend meeting and work a program after 15.5 years of sobriety.(it's alcohol ism, not was'm). Working the program is not easy (you basically have to completely transform your thinking) in fact many will take jail time because they refuse to work a program of sobriety.

I know what you're saying. I just don't think the government role should be paternalistic when it comes to substances. It has tried and it has been very ineffective.

What the government ends up doing (rather than prevent/control behaviors) is dealing with the consequences of people's behavior.

I think drug use and abuse is a medical problem and not a legal problem.

My position is stop criminalizing and start medicalizing.

 

[Twisted Stick]

Here is my little rant that I am smack in the middle of now.
My GF son (30) called me a few months back and started asking about TRT. He didn't know I TRT but anybody that has spent time in the gym knows when somebody has that "look". He said that a guy at the gym offered him some winn and told him to 50mg a week and it would make him a monster. I pumped the brakes on that and told him the guy does not know what he is doing or just doesn't care. I explained my experience and how he MUST do the research and of course pointed him to this "focus group". He did a little looking but not much. I told him I would set him up on a Sus cycle including PCT with instructions. I also printed out numerous discussion threads and information from this site. I drove 800 miles to see him with the gear and further discuss. I explained why he should only be on the Sus cycle at first. He asked about Tren and I told him my thoughts and that his next cycle would be a better choice. All the gear was made by myself for my use. Got a call three weeks back. He bought himself some Tren E 200mg. He wanted me to tell him how to use it and I told him to leave it alone until the next cycle. He is a month from finishing the cycle! I asked him if he is getting the results he wanted and he said yes. Why add more compounds then I asked him. I may stay on it longer he said. I told him about my first cycle of Test E/Tren that I did for 6 months/no PCT ( i didn't do any research just listened to a muscle head in the gym) and how it took a year to recover and how I took that year reading this board to get informed. He is gonna do what he wants now. Yes my GF/his mother know of the TRT. She knows how it is done correctly and she is pissed at him. Oh, he called 3 days ago and was asking about Deca. GREAT! Never again will I help.:banghead:

 

[Pericles]

Wow, you really went over backwards (800 miles, yikes). I always, always hammer home the fact that this is not a one time decision w/ no implications for the future. I say "once you go on, you must disciplinary yourself to stay off for a long as you were on. You will need pct gear to restore or natty production, and that gear can be as expensive as the steroids themselves.

 

[Pericles]

I have a bunch of 22 year olds that are pissed at me....well actually one isn't because he listened to my advice, he wanted an Anavar only cycle[)]. I explaind "you are 22.....your brain and endocrine system will not fully mature, and doing gear will create very serious potential problems. I am 50, and on TRT but do you want to be on TRT at 30? Also, your test peaks until age 27....why don't you enjoy that. When I was 22, I could bang all night.....today I need TRT and Cialis.

So no, I will not get you anything. To be honest, I could make arm and a leg by selling to them, but it is totally unethical and I will not do it.

Here is something else I ran into at the gym: A young guy, 28 is doing 60 mg of test per week. I asked why on trt at age 28, politely expecting him to have some sort of medical reason. I asked, do you have low T, and what symptoms? What he said blew me away. He said "my natural levels were between 700-800, I had no problems at all. but I wanted a little boost, I am now at 1100." A was shocked, and this kid seemed really level headed and polite so I didn't want to say that he was crazy to not enjoy his natural 700-800.

Here is where it gets really insane; his doc wis my doc, who is considered one of the top TRT docs in the country. Why in the hell is he writing a script for someone w/ no sides and a naturally high test level?

I helped one guy I knew by hooking him up with a few of my sources, and the first thing he did was be "that guy" that every gym has that starts pushing to kids. Started talking openly in the gym about it to the point people were pissed about it, ripped off at least 3 people that I know of ( got the $$$ up front and didn't deliver, and made up crazy BS excuses ) and when one of them got pissed about being owed money the guy I hooked up was gonna give him vegetable oil in a vial.

The LAST time I ever help anybody out lol....... Sad thing is a vial of test is $130 at gym level here, he could have just been honest and still done really well.

 

[Pericles]

Oops, forgot to say "your brain and endocrine system will not fully develop until 25."