No Kerry Flip-Flop.

[jbiggs]

Looks like Kerry will will end his political career as he began it, attacking America's role in a war, undermining the morale of the troops who are fighting it, and expressing contempt for the leadership of a nation struggling to be free of oppressors. It is the only mark of consistency he's ever displayed.

Whether you agree with the war in Iraq or not, you have to admit it was pretty classless to basically call Iraqi interim prime minister Ayad Allawi a liar after he spoke to a joint session of Congress to offer a simple, "Thank you America.''

 

[jbiggs]

Kerry talks of the "nuance" of winning a war. Some people like to toss the word "nuance" out there when they really seem to mean it's something they can't explain or understand.

"Nuance" has value in academia, writing law, art, music, and dance - in a whole range of fields of human endeavor.

We face an enemy who does not find "nuance," or Kerry's oft-stated "sensitivity" in war. On the ground, the enemy uses his brute power, leveraging religion, tribal affiliation, ethnic identity, and financial reward to kill, to kill, to kill. And, in the face of this, we can decide to win or lose. If we remain committed to winning, as GWB clearly is, we'll win. With Kerry, we have a different proposition.

Kerry wants us to trust him to lead the nation in war against brutal, evil, blood-thirsty murderers who seek nothing more and nothing less than our death but fails to recognize his nuance is a perceived weakness our enemies will exploit over and over again to kill.

We need to win; and we will win if we are committed to winning. If that means offending those who seek "nuance" so that we might excuse their corruption and weakness (the U.N., France, and Germany), or to excuse their own geo-political aims (France, Russia and China), so be it.

For in the end, John Kerry's "nuance" doesn't kill terrorists; but it does provide us thousands of reasons for not doing so. That way lies defeat. Which is why Kerry's statement today that "I want victory. I want to win" is a lie. To be fair, Kerry may be lying to himself as well as to the rest of us. But the people who made Kerry their nominee don't want to win - they want us out, yesterday. So much for nuance.


Sorry for the rant...as a Veteran and someone who has loved ones in harm's way, I felt very betrayed today. I guess that is how the Vietnam Vets felt in 1971 and why they are so passionate now in their stance against Kerry.

 

[SwordofRevenge]

Wonder if Kerry realized that his voice would be heard by the POWs in Hanoi and used as propaganda.
He's such a disgrace it makes me sick

 

[Quasimoto]

he'll piss all over soldiers and veterans.

I am a war veteran , i dont feel like Kerry has pissed on me.

 

[jbiggs]

I am a war veteran , i dont feel like Kerry has pissed on me.

IMAGINE if, in the presidential election of 1944, the candidate opposing FDR had insisted that we were losing the Second World War and that, if elected, he would begin to withdraw American troops from Europe and the Pacific.
We would have called it treason. And we would have been right.

Today, we have a presidential candidate, the conscienceless Sen. John Kerry, doing the work of the enemy propagandists of yesteryear.

Is there nothing Kerry won't say to win the election? Is there no position he won't change? Doesn't he care anything for the sacrifices of our troops in Iraq?

And if he does care about our soldiers and Marines, why is he broadcasting remarks that insist against all hard evidence that the terrorists are winning?

Has he seen the situation with his own eyes? I'll gladly tell him how to get there. I'll even be his guide. And he can smell what remains of Saddam's mass graves with new ones still being discovered. He can taste the joy of freedom among the Kurds. He can see the bustling commerce throughout the country despite the violence that alone makes headlines.

Above all, he could see the magnificent performance of our troops, their dedication and professionalism. And their humanity, their goodness.

But Kerry doesn't want to see those things. He's reverting to form. Just as he lied about our troops three decades ago, encouraging our enemies of the day and worsening the suffering of our POWs in North Vietnam, today he's pandering to a new enemy.

Imagine the encouragement the terrorists, insurgents and global extremists draw from Kerry's declarations of defeat, from his insistence that our efforts in Iraq and in the War on Terror have failed...

The terrorists and their allies already intended to increase the level of violence in Iraq before November. But Kerry's pandering has encouraged them to pull out all the stops. I wish it were otherwise, that our election process had more integrity.

 

[Quasimoto]

JB -I can understand your point, and even appreciate your perspective. But with regards to the Iraq war, tthere is a difference that separates now from WWII, the difference being we went to war with the country that we were attacked by , that isnt the case now bro .

 

[KTCKSports]

I'll agree with you on that Quasi, but if you have a firm belief that Iraq was going to attack it's neighbors with WMD or the United States, don't you think we needed to go in there and stop the threat before it was too late?

Have a nice day
K-

JB -I can understand your point, and even appreciate your perspective. But with regards to the Iraq war, tthere is a difference that separates now from WWII, the difference being we went to war with the country that we were attacked by , that isnt the case now bro .

 

[Quasimoto]

Frosty - I have no problems with the battle being undertaken between the dems and the Swiftees, the swiftees lied man.

I do have a problem with Kerrys past testimony, especially the more i think about it.

The soldiers that are in iraq serving now...damn you....LOL, i think anyone who serves their country in the military are heroes. But invoking them for political gain is wrong. These soldiers are being exploited. They know what they are doing there, what the press is reporting is happening and whats actually happening . They know that the Civ's in the iraq theatre are knocking down huge bucks while these fuckers arent even getting hostile fire pay since Bush declared an end to major combat operations in the theatre.

All servicemen know the risk when we VOLUNTARILY enlist, however we also hope ( and have been promised through history ) that the reason we are asked to lay down the ultimate sacrifice in defense of our country will be a just one. Do you think that Iraq is a just reason for dying ? I will leave the argument of whether or not these men are dying in vain or not to the pundits. Its too late now anyway..we are there, we need to find military focus, and do whatever we have to do.

Servicemen are smart, especially if they are in the thick of the shit..they know if its doom and gloom, or if the outlook is sunny . They arent allowing this fucked up mudslinging of an election to skew their perspective. All you think about is making it, and taking care of your fellow servicemen. they ( me anyway ) figured i would have my time and place to fight the political battle when it was safe to do so. Its not safe for them to do so right now.

KTCK - We have supported Iraq's attacking their neighbors before. What did we care about them warring with Iran now? We gave them weapons to fight with, intell and helped them develop military plans to fight Iran in the 80's . These people arent like the rest of the world..they arab world is soooooo fucking much different than this part of the planet bro.

 

[Quasimoto]

We're not even at war with any countries. Saddam just happened to be in Iraq, the Taliban just happened to be in Afghanistan. In WW2, our military was attacked. These assholes are too much of pussies to attack military targets. They want to kill women, children, men...anyone that lives a modern lift and is an "infidel." We have people that want to do WORSE than what they already did, and they could have worked with Saddam to get together something really devastating. Imagine a terrorist getting a backpack nuke and setting it off in downtown NYC, or at the capital. We can't wait until it gets to that point. John Kerry doesn't seem to understand how serious this is. A person today can do more damage than anyone can imagine. This has never been the case before, but people like Kerry don't take this seriously and flip flop all over the place, piss on the soldiers, interum Iraqi PM, and demoralize everyone involved in the war. He's done it before and he's doing it again now. He's establishing a consistant pattern of doing this. So how on earth can he be trusted as president during a time of war?

Frosty - I agree with almost everything you said . I dont trust kerry either, but i know what Bushes agenda is. I see it everyday. We need to committ big time troops to Afghanistan, fucking annihilate Al Qaida at its roots. I dont mean arrest..i mean erase. Send a clear message to anyone that would attack our soil, our holdings, or people .

 

[AirBorne]

Frosty - I agree with almost everything you said . I dont trust kerry either, but i know what Bushes agenda is. I see it everyday. We need to committ big time troops to Afghanistan, fucking annihilate Al Qaida at its roots. I dont mean arrest..i mean erase. Send a clear message to anyone that would attack our soil, our holdings, or people .

agreed, but the big problem with Al Quaida is that it has no specific "roots". Even if UBL is captured or killed, there will always be muslim extremists who will carry on his work. It is going to be long, long fight...hate to say it but it may never end. It may be a standard part of American Military operations for decades and decades to come. this is why anyone or anywhere with any kind of ties to a terrorist organization has to have the fight BROUGHT TO THEM. i am not saying this just because Bush does, im saying it because I beleive it to be true. the 9-11 commission explained ties that Saddam had to Al Quaida....however subtle they may be, they are still ties which deserved punishment. why take anyt chances? Kerry explains that any "terror acts against America will be met with a swift and severe response." Kery word there being RESPONSE. Why the FUCK should we have to respond, EVER?!?!?!?! We should not have to wait until something happens to then take care of the purpotrators........take the fight to them. why is that wrong?

 

[Quasimoto]

Dick Cheney recently said it well. "saddam himself was a terrorist." Or something close to that

Cheney said if you take Ebay into account, the economy is great . Cheney is a tool, and a political black widow. Ask Gerald Ford.

 

[AirBorne]

i heard Kerry say today that he plans to double the size of Army Special Forces.......shit like this pisses me off because its nothing but a promise with no substance.

the Army is having a hard enough time right now trying to fill their quota of training 1000 special forces soldiers per year. they say that the only way to add more to this list is to downgrade qualificatioins.....in other words...training people who shouldnt be there. so doubling the size of special forces is only going to add unqualified soldiers to the ranks of honorable green berets and rangers which in turn is going to lessen the quality of their units thus making their mission goals harder to attain. Kerry makes these fuckin promises to appeal to those who see him as weak on defense and on terrorism. he wants to withdraw the huge numbers of basic ground troops and rely more on commandos (just like mochael moore) to win the war on terror and capture UBL, etc etc. this shit pisses me off

 

[Bob Smith]

Frosty - I agree with almost everything you said . I dont trust kerry either, but i know what Bushes agenda is. I see it everyday. We need to committ big time troops to Afghanistan, fucking annihilate Al Qaida at its roots. I dont mean arrest..i mean erase. Send a clear message to anyone that would attack our soil, our holdings, or people .

Quasi, I agree with your post. We know what Bush's plan is. We have no idea what Kerry's is. I agree that a lot more troops should be sent to Afghanistan, but do you honestly think Kerry will do that? I think he is more likely to pull the troops out instead of sending more.

 

[Bob Smith]

i heard Kerry say today that he plans to double the size of Army Special Forces.......shit like this pisses me off because its nothing but a promise with no substance.

There is a reason they are called SPECIAL forces, because they arent your typical run-of-the-mill peon soldiers. They are trained for specific purposes that most regular soldiers cant or couldnt handle. They are simply a cut above the rest. I have the utmost respect for any special forces guys.

 

[fastass]

This flip/flop is bs. Yes, Kerry did support going after Iraq in the begining. Why? Maybe he bought the same bullshit that Bush fed the American people regarding weapons of mass destruction. Knowing the truth now, would you still support the war? Keep inmind, supporting the war and supporting the troops are not the same.

fastass

 

[AirBorne]

Uhhh, Kerry had access to the same intelligence that Bush did.

and looking back, yes i would still support the war.

 

[jbiggs]

This flip/flop is bs. Yes, Kerry did support going after Iraq in the begining. Why? Maybe he bought the same bullshit that Bush fed the American people regarding weapons of mass destruction. Knowing the truth now, would you still support the war? Keep inmind, supporting the war and supporting the troops are not the same.

fastass

First of all, this bullshit as you put it with regard to WMD were fed by Tenet (a Clinton appointee by the way) who swore they were a "slamdunk" even after W asked if this was all the intel we had.

Second, supporting the war and supporting the troops are not the same. That can easily be seen when you vote for a war but then vote not to fund the support the troops need. Hey at least Kerry showed up for these votes; that is a rarity.

Third, as to flip-flops on Iraq....

Kerry now claims the "most important task" is to win the "war on terrorism." Yet Kerry, speaking to his pets at the New York Times in March, refused to call the war on terror a war, RNC recalled.
Kerry then: "The final victory in the war on terror depends on a victory in the war of ideas, much more than the war on the battlefield. And the war - not the war, I dont want to use that terminology."



Kerry now claims Iraq was a "diversion from" the war on terror. On Dec. 15 he said: "Iraq may not be the war on terror itself, but it is critical to the outcome of the war on terror."

Kerry now claims Saddam Hussein's evil was not enough to justify war. Here's what he said in a speech July 29, 2002:
"I agree completely with this administrations goal of a regime change in Iraq Saddam Hussein is a renegade and outlaw who turned his back on the tough conditions of his surrender put in place by the United Nations in 1991."



Kerry now claims Saddams "downfall ... has left America less secure." Oopsy: Here's his anti-Dean, anti-Saddam stand in December 2003, according to Newsday:
"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe we are not safer with his capture, dont have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president."


Kerry now claims the decision to go into Iraq was a "colossal" failure. Yet on Aug. 9, Kerry said that had he known then what he knew now, he would still have voted for the use-of-force resolution, according to CNN:
"Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it's the right authority for a president to have. But I would have used that authority, as I have said throughout this campaign, effectively."


Kerry now claims Saddam was not a "threat to our security." Here's what he said in January 2003, according to the L.A. Times: "If you don't believe ... Saddam Hussein is a threat with nuclear weapons, then you shouldn't vote for me."


Kerry now claims Saddam's "capability to acquire weapons" was not reason enough for war. Yet according to the Congressional Record of Oct. 9, 2002, he called those who would leave the Iraqi dictator alone "naive to the point of grave danger."

And so on and so forth.

 

[AirBorne]

fastass......are you that behind on the frickin current events?! How many times do people have to explain that Bush was not feeding the American people a bunch of lies. He worked with the same intel as the French, Russians, Mi6, SAS, CIA, Clinton, Kerry, etc etc etc etc. I am so fucking SICK of hearing that "well there were no WMD...Bush flat out lied to all of us and now kids have died in vain." THIS SHIT IS REDICULOUS.

Has anyone seen Kerry's new commercial......OMFG!!! Cant remember it ver batime but he blatently exploits the headlines of newspapers talking about how 1000 americans died, Bush lied, Bush has no exit strategy, Bush has no plan for the peace, etc etc.............ALL OF JOHN KERRY'S PLANS ARE THE SAME AS THE PRESIDENT'S. KERRY JUST SWEARS THAT HE CAN DO IT BETTER. LOL

this is evident in his last couple speeches. he wants to get more international support (Bush is doing that), he wants to train more Iraqi forces (again, already being done), he wants to step up troop deployment in afghanistan (done), etc etc etc. this guy doesnt know his ass from his wife's face!

 

[fastass]

fastass......are you that behind on the frickin current events?! How many times do people have to explain that Bush was not feeding the American people a bunch of lies. He worked with the same intel as the French, Russians, Mi6, SAS, CIA, Clinton, Kerry, etc etc etc etc. I am so fucking SICK of hearing that "well there were no WMD...Bush flat out lied to all of us and now kids have died in vain." THIS SHIT IS REDICULOUS.

Has anyone seen Kerry's new commercial......OMFG!!! Cant remember it ver batime but he blatently exploits the headlines of newspapers talking about how 1000 americans died, Bush lied, Bush has no exit strategy, Bush has no plan for the peace, etc etc.............ALL OF JOHN KERRY'S PLANS ARE THE SAME AS THE PRESIDENT'S. KERRY JUST SWEARS THAT HE CAN DO IT BETTER. LOL

this is evident in his last couple speeches. he wants to get more international support (Bush is doing that), he wants to train more Iraqi forces (again, already being done), he wants to step up troop deployment in afghanistan (done), etc etc etc. this guy doesnt know his ass from his wife's face!

WHY DID WE GO THE WAR?

 

[KTCKSports]

Because after 9/11 we were fed up with terrorism and thanks to that terrible day, the US had no other choice but to fight terrorism head on. Like Airbone already explained, everybody thought that Saddam had WMD. The United States is the sole leader of the world- like it or not. If we were as irrelvant as France, then I would have no problem with ignoring what goes on in the Middle East. However we cannot ignore their threat anymore.

So it's OK for you to sit back and watch this evil dictator, a man that would make Hitler look normal, just pile up these weapons and allow him to attack again?? Not only are the Kuwait's of the world are threatened, but so is our country.

K-

WHY DID WE GO THE WAR?